Wasteland The Wasteland 2 Beta Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Athelas]

Are they saying their budget's over 6 mil? That's...interesting. Seems like Early Access is much more of a goldmine than we thought.

 

[Infinitron]

Are they saying their budget's over 6 mil? That's...interesting. Seems like Early Access is much more of a goldmine than we thought.

Could be as low as 4.x million, if they're not counting all the KS funds that went to fulfillment etc

 

[LESS T_T]

Hm, in that case, they sold approximately less than 40k copies from Early Access?

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Interface looks excellent in the new screenshots.

So, I haven't played the alpha or beta because I don't want anything spoiled, but how is the reactivity coming along? I'm looking for something like Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas and Planescape Torment and I don't think that's a big ask considering the names involved with this. Are there multiple solutions to quests, a main storyline with different paths, and conversation skill checks?

 

[Athelas]

Are they saying their budget's over 6 mil? That's...interesting. Seems like Early Access is much more of a goldmine than we thought.

Could be as low as 4.x million, if they're not counting all the KS funds that went to fulfillment etc

I thought their deal with Deep Silver entailed not paying anything for the fulfilment in exchange for Deep Silver getting a cut of the physical sales? I think I've seen it described in those terms.

 

[Roguey]

In case you haven't noticed, Swen Vincke said the exact same thing about his game in the latest update's video.

You don't have to convince me Vincke is also a bad manager.

 

[Infinitron]

Are they saying their budget's over 6 mil? That's...interesting. Seems like Early Access is much more of a goldmine than we thought.

Could be as low as 4.x million, if they're not counting all the KS funds that went to fulfillment etc

I thought their deal with Deep Silver entailed not paying anything for the fulfilment in exchange for Deep Silver getting a cut of the physical sales? I think I've seen it described in those terms.

Hmmm, good point. Still, I doubt they had 90% of that Kickstarter budget (10% goes to KS + Amazon, remember) at their disposal. A question for an interview, I guess.

So, I haven't played the alpha or beta because I don't want anything spoiled, but how is the reactivity coming along? I'm looking for something like Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas and Planescape Torment and I don't think that's a big ask considering the names involved with this. Are there multiple solutions to quests, a main storyline with different paths, and conversation skill checks?

From what I've heard, there's some of that, but don't expect a lot of super-obvious DO YOU WANT TO HELP FACTION A OR FACTION B Fallout: New Vegas-style choicemaking at the beginning of the game; a lot of the reactivity is more subtle than that.

 

[t]

Hm, in that case, they sold approximately less than 40k copies from Early Access?

That sounds like a very low figure. What we do know is that Vince sold ~10k copies by now and AoD was way lower in the charts all the time. We also can safely assume that there is an exponential decline in copies sold vs place on the top 100, so I'd guess more than 100k.

 

[tuluse]

Are they saying their budget's over 6 mil? That's...interesting. Seems like Early Access is much more of a goldmine than we thought.

Could be as low as 4.x million, if they're not counting all the KS funds that went to fulfillment etc

I thought their deal with Deep Silver entailed not paying anything for the fulfilment in exchange for Deep Silver getting a cut of the physical sales? I think I've seen it described in those terms.

They said double the *initial* budget. Since the Deep Silver deal was well after the ks, they could be counting those savings in the final figure.

 

[Infinitron]

Hm, in that case, they sold approximately less than 40k copies from Early Access?

That sounds like a very low figure. What we do know is that Vince sold ~10k copies by now and AoD was way lower in the charts all the time. We also can safely assume that there is an exponential decline in copies sold vs place on the top 100, so I'd guess more than 100k.

Actually, I can tell you that LESS T_T's figure is probably more accurate.

(No, Brother None hasn't told me how much you've sold, don't fire him ksaun. We have other sources.)

 

[Deleted member 7219]

So, I haven't played the alpha or beta because I don't want anything spoiled, but how is the reactivity coming along? I'm looking for something like Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas and Planescape Torment and I don't think that's a big ask considering the names involved with this. Are there multiple solutions to quests, a main storyline with different paths, and conversation skill checks?

From what I've heard, there's some of that, but don't expect a lot of super-obvious DO YOU WANT TO HELP FACTION A OR FACTION B Fallout: New Vegas-style choicemaking at the beginning of the game; a lot of the reactivity is more subtle than that.

Sounds good. So what are Codexers mainly complaining about? I saw a lot was initially around the interface, but it looks like they've given it a complete overhaul. What else, combat? I can't actually think of an RPG where the combat hasn't been anything else than average at best.

 

[Arkeus]

Mark my words, Wasteland 2 is going to be like a bucket of cold water to the face after D:OS.

Does this mean you are having fun with D:OS????!

 

[Infinitron]

Sounds good. So what are Codexers mainly complaining about? I saw a lot was initially around the interface, but it looks like they've given it a complete overhaul. What else, combat? I can't actually think of an RPG where the combat hasn't been anything else than average at best.

Some people think that the quests and areas in the beta are boring/uninspired. I can't pass judgement on that myself as I've only played the first two areas, although I suspect they're overreacting. On the other hand, the developers have acknowledged that the LA segment of the game is of a higher quality than the Arizona segment (which is what we get in the beta), so I guess it's not perfect.

 

[Roguey]

Does this mean you are having fun with D:OS????!

I'm waiting for my box, but I'm reasonably certain it's a KO.

 

[felipepepe]

Hurray, I'm saved from ever having to photoshop an area map from W2 again!

Traits/perks as well as aimed shots are two more features we have been strongly considering, but won't be in the final game. We love both systems and agree with the feedback that it would add a lot, however we also believe that badly balanced or overly simple versions would not be in the best interest of the game. Take aimed shots: to do it right means it would have a real tactical impact, AI reactions to its usage, and a carefully balanced pro-cons system, rather than just "decrease to-hit chance to increase critical chance.

We've been asking for aimed shots for ages, and traits were on the Gamescom preview shown a year ago... pulling that out now is just lame. Especially with such half-assed excuse; they are not saying that the game works well without them, but rather that it would indeed add a lot and have been removed due fear of it being implemented (by themselves) crude or badly balanced.

 

[Athelas]

Embrace The Balance.

 

[undecaf]

Too bad for traits and called shots.

I would've been fine with simple Fallout style (not necessarily copypaste, though) called shots. A little risk/reward feature just to spice things up; it didn't need to be intended for doubling or tripling tactical depth or anything like that as far as I am concerned.
Traits and perks might've been actually harder to implement, if for nothing else than being more all around the place with their effects.

 

[shihonage]

how is the reactivity coming along? I'm looking for something like Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas and Planescape Torment and I don't think that's a big ask

Ma'am, you have suffered an emotional shock. I will notify the nearest crisis center.

 

[Hobz]

No perks, no aimed shots, UI filled with plain teal rectangles after all the revisions it's been going through... I've given up hopes of Wasteland 2 being a futur classic but that's OK I guess, since D:OS is pretty much that.

 

[Elthosian]

Hurray, I'm saved from ever having to photoshop an area map from W2 again!

Traits/perks as well as aimed shots are two more features we have been strongly considering, but won't be in the final game. We love both systems and agree with the feedback that it would add a lot, however we also believe that badly balanced or overly simple versions would not be in the best interest of the game. Take aimed shots: to do it right means it would have a real tactical impact, AI reactions to its usage, and a carefully balanced pro-cons system, rather than just "decrease to-hit chance to increase critical chance.

We've been asking for aimed shots for ages, and traits were on the Gamescom preview shown a year ago... pulling that out now is just lame. Especially with such half-assed excuse; they are not saying that the game works well without them, but rather that it would indeed add a lot and have been removed due fear of it being implemented (by themselves) crude or badly balanced.

They should have added special abilities like Kneecap shot or head shot, ffs, I can understand that they don't want to add Fallout style aimed shots but something a la Underrail would have been more than enough, come on, even the freaking kings of mediocrity at Harebrained were able to do that :/

 

[Decado]

I'm okay with no traits/perks. If I wanted to play Fallout, I'd play Fallout. But the lack of Aimed shots is a little lame. I understand where they are coming from, insofar they don't want to just create a "more damage but harder to hit" or vice/versa tradeoff when it comes to aiming. Because then it usually becomes a fucking no brainer (again, like Fallout). But there has to be a way to do it without fucking up game balance. It just appears they did not make it a priority.

 

[Cazzeris]

So..., ¿No traits/perks? ¿No aimed shots?

I've read a lot of butthurt in this thread. But, for the first time; I feel dissaponited with this game's evolution.

I don't know what I should do.

 

[Ninjerk]

ROFL, you shouldn't spend that much on the game. That much I can promise you.

 

[felipepepe]

I'm okay with no traits/perks. If I wanted to play Fallout, I'd play Fallout. But the lack of Aimed shots is a little lame. I understand where they are coming from, insofar they don't want to just create a "more damage but harder to hit" or vice/versa tradeoff when it comes to aiming. Because then it usually becomes a fucking no brainer (again, like Fallout). But there has to be a way to do it without fucking up game balance. It just appears they did not make it a priority.

The feeling I got is that they never playtested it much back in pre-production... stuff like perks, having aimed shot or not and deciding what the hell Charisma should serve for are really the core stuff of a ruleset, it should be something noticeable by playtesting the system a couple of times with dices and paper.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

I'm okay with no Aimed shots. If I wanted to play Fallout, I'd play Fallout. But the lack of traits/perks is a little lame.

But oh well, game's got plenty going on imo, not gonna whine after the fact.