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Thalstarion

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Tomb Raider started with a woman as the protagonist and kept a woman in the role of protagonist with every subsequent game. That courtesy doesn't often extend to franchises with an established male lead these days.

They are often retired or killed off and replaced with a woman.

You can go to various DEI pages for various companies committed to the cause and read through their policies of subversion. Sometimes it is subtle. Other times it is not - though they love and frequently seek to shove women into roles that do not suit them at the expense of men.

To the point where many games, even those not obviously compromised, now have women serving as city guards, blacksmiths, engineers, construction workers, military leaders and so on. Do exceptions exist in the real world? Certainly - but they are very few and far between and it is overwhelmingly men who shed blood, sweat and tears.

I know a decent number of men who do not care for the idea of playing as women in video games as a personal preference, myself included. Though there is a healthy balance to be struck and one that is no longer respected. In recent years there has been a sharp rise in the number of female protagonists. A game that goes the fan service route like Stellar Blade will sell much more than Concord or Dustborn by virtue of not having an ugly protagonist but it still won't prove as successful as, say, Black Myth: Wukong which has a monkey as a protagonist because...again, most gamers want to play male characters.
 
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The only interesting thing about the Witcher games was that they were not Western RPGs

With TW4 being a DIE product, there is nothing interesting about them. There's nothing different about them. They're just more modernish schlock
If you meant DEI, what is exactly DEI about Witcher 4? (I don't count having a woman as the protagonist woke, look at Tomb Raider, Samus, etc). The trailer starts off with a nude female. Most woke gaming companies would never touch that with a 10ft poll seeing as they're afraid of women's bodies. Ciri looks fine to me; she seems to just be older is all. And I'd go and watch the original Witcher 3 trailer and look at Gerelt. He looks much different in the trailer compared to the game.
Same as it's DEI policy to include women at managerial positions for no other reason than that they have one hole more than the rest of the executives, so it is a DEI policy to swap the male lead character of a successful franchise with a female, and directly put investor money at risk, just to pad an irrelevant statistic of how many female leads you have across your IPs.
I don't think switching the protagonist of the Witcher series as the most obviously choice as the next protag (Ciri, who so happens to be female) is comparable to discrimination in job positions.
Let's hand over power to nutjobs with an agenda one more time, maybe this one will be different.
Well, I guess let's just wait and see then. Time will eventually tell. Though I'll stay cautiously optimistic just by the fact Cyberpunk 2077 was good, Witcher 3 was good, and the games before that. So far, they have released nothing but decent games. (That launch in a horrible state, haha.) Main thing I am worried about is the game running on UE5.
 

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The funniest part is that normal women also don't like playing as women in action games. What I hear is "What if I want to be a badass guy, punching and shooting people? What if that's my fantasy?" or "I don't want my female character to be mid-looking, I want to make my character look like a heavily sexualized bimbo on high heels and pony tail dual wielding pistols, why am I not allowed to have my girl fantasy?"
 

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Wow sounds like the real question is how did they even manage to make one good game out of these terrible books?
By retconning them :lol:. Geralt coming back to the Northen Kingdoms at all is a retcon, the books are clear that he’s never seen again after dying the first time. If you’re a lore autist then CDPR has been dumping on the books with every game. Ciri is special because she’s unique, but they introduced another Child of the Elder Blood in W1 with Alvin. The fact that it takes until W2 for anyone to tell Geralt about Yen and Ciri is insane if you’ve read the books, that would be the first thing Dandalion asks about. All the monsters that are so prevalent in the games is lorebreaking, by the time of the books the only thing left to kill for Witchers are Drowners and nekkers. Yet somehow a freaking Kraken shows up in W2. Monsters are all over the place and there’s plenty of Witcher work to be done - because it would be boring as hell otherwise.

And then there’s W3 which is utterly inreconcilable with the books. Ciri being Emhyr’s daughter was a secret he was prepared to kill Geralt and Yen at the end of the books to keep, he wasn’t going to make her his heir. His plan was to marry and impregnate her because her son is supposed to be the one who will save the world from the White Frost. That’s also why the Wild Hunt elves want her, their king was supposed to impregnate her, but he couldn’t keep his cock hard because he hates humans so much and OD on asporadic (no joke this is legit what happens) to compensate. Yet in W3 everyone knows Ciri is Emhyr’s kid and no one talks about the prophecy regarding her child. There’s no way to reconcile that with the books.

Oh and letting you have the choice to break up Geralt and Yen for good in W3 so he can shag Triss is the kind of thing that would put ol’ Sap in his grave if he gave a damn about Witcher beyond using it to make vodka money.

Point being if you’re being autistic over them breaking with canon - these games have never been anything other than fan fic. Well made fan fic (occasionally), certainly better than Netflix, but no less willing to break from the books. Far as Sap is concerned the story ended with the books, Geralt, Yen, and Ciri were never seen by their friends again after they left, and that is the end.
 

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Nothing was retconned, you are stretching trying to be edgelord.

Some things in books were vague so on one hand it's Geralt's impression there are no monsters but then again Geralt has a lot of work in the books so it's how you see it, maybe not as much monsters as before.

Emhyr at the end of books already change his mind about impregnating Ciri so making her an heir is logical step.

And when TW1 came out it can work as continuation (again, vagueness of the end of Lady of the lake because its 99% Geralt just dies but CDPR took that 1% that he is on a magical island) but also as an homage to book ideas because it reflects them like Alvin. There is no lore brake in idea that there were others with elder blood, because they were. Its also vague in books how much Ciri is special in that regard, games took it step further like she is the first one since Larra Dorren with "fully formed gene" lol

Because when TW1 came out they did not know will there be sequels so you can interpret it as its own thing or continuation of a story that was already over.
 

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Wow sounds like the real question is how did they even manage to make one good game out of these terrible books?
By retconning them :lol:. Geralt coming back to the Northen Kingdoms at all is a retcon, the books are clear that he’s never seen again after dying the first time. If you’re a lore autist then CDPR has been dumping on the books with every game. Ciri is special because she’s unique, but they introduced another Child of the Elder Blood in W1 with Alvin. The fact that it takes until W2 for anyone to tell Geralt about Yen and Ciri is insane if you’ve read the books, that would be the first thing Dandalion asks about. All the monsters that are so prevalent in the games is lorebreaking, by the time of the books the only thing left to kill for Witchers are Drowners and nekkers. Yet somehow a freaking Kraken shows up in W2. Monsters are all over the place and there’s plenty of Witcher work to be done - because it would be boring as hell otherwise.

And then there’s W3 which is utterly inreconcilable with the books. Ciri being Emhyr’s daughter was a secret he was prepared to kill Geralt and Yen at the end of the books to keep, he wasn’t going to make her his heir. His plan was to marry and impregnate her because her son is supposed to be the one who will save the world from the White Frost. That’s also why the Wild Hunt elves want her, their king was supposed to impregnate her, but he couldn’t keep his cock hard because he hates humans so much and OD on asporadic (no joke this is legit what happens) to compensate. Yet in W3 everyone knows Ciri is Emhyr’s kid and no one talks about the prophecy regarding her child. There’s no way to reconcile that with the books.

Oh and letting you have the choice to break up Geralt and Yen for good in W3 so he can shag Triss is the kind of thing that would put ol’ Sap in his grave if he gave a damn about Witcher beyond using it to make vodka money.

Point being if you’re being autistic over them breaking with canon - these games have never been anything other than fan fic. Well made fan fic (occasionally), certainly better than Netflix, but no less willing to break from the books. Far as Sap is concerned the story ended with the books, Geralt, Yen, and Ciri were never seen by their friends again after they left, and that is the end.
It's actually beyond stupid that they're planning a trilogy about Ciri, and they've completely written off by default the whole thing about her child (since she's now sterile due to the trials). At least if at some point it went full Xena, raising a kid destined to become a great destroyer or someshit while being a wannabe monster slayer to the side, it could've been if not a new take at least an interesting and midly daring one. But no, i guess that's way too weird for any female character written to parrot a man 24/7.
 
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The funniest part is that normal women also don't like playing as women in action games. What I hear is "What if I want to be a badass guy, punching and shooting people? What if that's my fantasy?" or "I don't want my female character to be mid-looking, I want to make my character look like a heavily sexualized bimbo on high heels and pony tail dual wielding pistols, why am I not allowed to have my girl fantasy?"
If you want to stare at Geralt's ass another 1,000 hours just say so :lol:
 

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The funniest part is that normal women also don't like playing as women in action games. What I hear is "What if I want to be a badass guy, punching and shooting people? What if that's my fantasy?" or "I don't want my female character to be mid-looking, I want to make my character look like a heavily sexualized bimbo on high heels and pony tail dual wielding pistols, why am I not allowed to have my girl fantasy?"


I got you covered mate.
 

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Wow sounds like the real question is how did they even manage to make one good game out of these terrible books?
By retconning them :lol:. Geralt coming back to the Northen Kingdoms at all is a retcon, the books are clear that he’s never seen again after dying the first time. If you’re a lore autist then CDPR has been dumping on the books with every game. Ciri is special because she’s unique, but they introduced another Child of the Elder Blood in W1 with Alvin. The fact that it takes until W2 for anyone to tell Geralt about Yen and Ciri is insane if you’ve read the books, that would be the first thing Dandalion asks about. All the monsters that are so prevalent in the games is lorebreaking, by the time of the books the only thing left to kill for Witchers are Drowners and nekkers. Yet somehow a freaking Kraken shows up in W2. Monsters are all over the place and there’s plenty of Witcher work to be done - because it would be boring as hell otherwise.

And then there’s W3 which is utterly inreconcilable with the books. Ciri being Emhyr’s daughter was a secret he was prepared to kill Geralt and Yen at the end of the books to keep, he wasn’t going to make her his heir. His plan was to marry and impregnate her because her son is supposed to be the one who will save the world from the White Frost. That’s also why the Wild Hunt elves want her, their king was supposed to impregnate her, but he couldn’t keep his cock hard because he hates humans so much and OD on asporadic (no joke this is legit what happens) to compensate. Yet in W3 everyone knows Ciri is Emhyr’s kid and no one talks about the prophecy regarding her child. There’s no way to reconcile that with the books.

Oh and letting you have the choice to break up Geralt and Yen for good in W3 so he can shag Triss is the kind of thing that would put ol’ Sap in his grave if he gave a damn about Witcher beyond using it to make vodka money.

Point being if you’re being autistic over them breaking with canon - these games have never been anything other than fan fic. Well made fan fic (occasionally), certainly better than Netflix, but no less willing to break from the books. Far as Sap is concerned the story ended with the books, Geralt, Yen, and Ciri were never seen by their friends again after they left, and that is the end.
It's actually beyond stupid that they're planning a trilogy about Ciri, and they've completely written off by default the whole thing about her child (since she's now sterile due to the trials). At least if at some point it went full Xena, raising a kid destined to become a great destroyer or someshit while being a wannabe monster slayer to the side, it could've been if not a new take at least an interesting and midly daring one. But no, i guess that's way too weird for any female character written to parrot a man 24/7.

Would be funny AF if she has a kid in TW4

Single mother, business woman.

“There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him, I can't explain what happened.”

:troll:
 

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Cyberpunk 2077 was good
Is it being memory holed now? It launched to a disastrous reception with countless bugs and deceptive marketing including outright lies. It was the first ever game I refunded due to how many broken promises and performance issues it had. It destroyed a lot of good will that the company had claimed for itself over the years and though they may very well have 'fixed it', that took what is essentially a complete rework of the entire game.
The funniest part is that normal women also don't like playing as women in action games. What I hear is "What if I want to be a badass guy, punching and shooting people? What if that's my fantasy?" or "I don't want my female character to be mid-looking, I want to make my character look like a heavily sexualized bimbo on high heels and pony tail dual wielding pistols, why am I not allowed to have my girl fantasy?"
Yeah! The most women I encounter in gaming tends to be in MMO's and they love playing dress up and playing either conventionally attractive women or conventionally attractive men.
 

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It's not exactly from these short stories. The main novels establish that at some point after Geralt's death the elves did manage to open the Ard Gaeth and left the world. Again, the Second Conjunction as seen in TW3 is a great way to explain that.
There's a continuity error somewhere then, since Geralt was still alive during the second conjunction when the wiki says the elves left. But canon appears to be iffy at best, especially when there's so many authors in the mix, or maybe the fan wiki is just straight up wrong.
Oh, I meant his first death. The pitchfork one, at the end of the novels. He gets resurrected for the games.
 

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Well, I guess let's just wait and see then. Time will eventually tell. Though I'll stay cautiously optimistic just by the fact Cyberpunk 2077 was good
It literally caused epileptic seizures to an ex-policewoman.


There is something awesome for comparison. When a Polish developer manage to do something with as good story, well then I might bother with grabbing free copy to play it.
 
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Cyberpunk 2077 was good
Is it being memory holed now? It launched to a disastrous reception with countless bugs and deceptive marketing including outright lies. It was the first ever game I refunded due to how many broken promises and performance issues it had. It destroyed a lot of good will that the company had claimed for itself over the years and though they may very well have 'fixed it', that took what is essentially a complete rework of the entire game.
The funniest part is that normal women also don't like playing as women in action games. What I hear is "What if I want to be a badass guy, punching and shooting people? What if that's my fantasy?" or "I don't want my female character to be mid-looking, I want to make my character look like a heavily sexualized bimbo on high heels and pony tail dual wielding pistols, why am I not allowed to have my girl fantasy?"
Yeah! The most women I encounter in gaming tends to be in MMO's and they love playing dress up and playing either conventionally attractive women or conventionally attractive men.
Did you not read the part where I said: "(That launch in a horrible state, haha.)". Cyberpunk 2077 was shit at launch, I agree. I didn't buy the game until most recently because of how the launch was.
 
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Well, I guess let's just wait and see then. Time will eventually tell. Though I'll stay cautiously optimistic just by the fact Cyberpunk 2077 was good
It literally caused epileptic seizures to an ex-policewoman.


There is something awesome for comparison. When a Polish developer manage to do something with as good story, well then I might bother with grabbing free copy to play it.

That sucks to hear, what part caused that in Cyberpunk 2077? One of the many bugs it had at launch?
 

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Well, I guess let's just wait and see then. Time will eventually tell. Though I'll stay cautiously optimistic just by the fact Cyberpunk 2077 was good
It literally caused epileptic seizures to an ex-policewoman.


There is something awesome for comparison. When a Polish developer manage to do something with as good story, well then I might bother with grabbing free copy to play it.

That sucks to hear, what part caused that in Cyberpunk 2077? One of the many bugs it had at launch?

It was caused by that nasty flashing scene when they had that drive into memory cutscene or something like that. I wonder why nobody from Polish developers thought about possible eye strain, or worse. I heard they toned it down after few patches.
 

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After seeing the trailer, Ciri Bogdanoff already acts like a moody bitch. Nothing worse than playing as an emotional wreck LA surgery survivor, getting ready to be railed by some tranny midget just to add some of those hot cocks cards to my collection.
 

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The only interesting thing about the Witcher games was that they were not Western RPGs

With TW4 being a DIE product, there is nothing interesting about them. There's nothing different about them. They're just more modernish schlock
This is something that puzzles me too. How could the minds at CDPR be so bad at discerning what made Witcher 3 successful. The disconnect between audience and top decision makers is unreal. Really amazing when you realize how multi-millionaires are practically walking blind with the millions of dollars of investor money in their hands.
I mean when you watch any western games show (TGA, the old E3, etc) you would think the gaming audience is +90% female with a majority of them being black woman. And its not only the protagonists being female but also the tone and presentation of the games.
 

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Wow sounds like the real question is how did they even manage to make one good game out of these terrible books?
By retconning them :lol:. Geralt coming back to the Northen Kingdoms at all is a retcon, the books are clear that he’s never seen again after dying the first time. If you’re a lore autist then CDPR has been dumping on the books with every game. Ciri is special because she’s unique, but they introduced another Child of the Elder Blood in W1 with Alvin. The fact that it takes until W2 for anyone to tell Geralt about Yen and Ciri is insane if you’ve read the books, that would be the first thing Dandalion asks about. All the monsters that are so prevalent in the games is lorebreaking, by the time of the books the only thing left to kill for Witchers are Drowners and nekkers. Yet somehow a freaking Kraken shows up in W2. Monsters are all over the place and there’s plenty of Witcher work to be done - because it would be boring as hell otherwise.

And then there’s W3 which is utterly inreconcilable with the books. Ciri being Emhyr’s daughter was a secret he was prepared to kill Geralt and Yen at the end of the books to keep, he wasn’t going to make her his heir. His plan was to marry and impregnate her because her son is supposed to be the one who will save the world from the White Frost. That’s also why the Wild Hunt elves want her, their king was supposed to impregnate her, but he couldn’t keep his cock hard because he hates humans so much and OD on asporadic (no joke this is legit what happens) to compensate. Yet in W3 everyone knows Ciri is Emhyr’s kid and no one talks about the prophecy regarding her child. There’s no way to reconcile that with the books.

Oh and letting you have the choice to break up Geralt and Yen for good in W3 so he can shag Triss is the kind of thing that would put ol’ Sap in his grave if he gave a damn about Witcher beyond using it to make vodka money.

Point being if you’re being autistic over them breaking with canon - these games have never been anything other than fan fic. Well made fan fic (occasionally), certainly better than Netflix, but no less willing to break from the books. Far as Sap is concerned the story ended with the books, Geralt, Yen, and Ciri were never seen by their friends again after they left, and that is the end.
It's actually beyond stupid that they're planning a trilogy about Ciri, and they've completely written off by default the whole thing about her child (since she's now sterile due to the trials). At least if at some point it went full Xena, raising a kid destined to become a great destroyer or someshit while being a wannabe monster slayer to the side, it could've been if not a new take at least an interesting and midly daring one. But no, i guess that's way too weird for any female character written to parrot a man 24/7.

Would be funny AF if she has a kid in TW4

Single mother, business woman.

“There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him, I can't explain what happened.”

:troll:
There is absolutely no chance they make Ciri a mother. Would be a very interesting twist if they made the Empress ending canon and them make her take to the road as a witcher after her son reached adulthood, sorta like making her finally be able to fulfill her 'dream' after she did her duty, only for it to be a fucking nightmare and she realizes she fucked her life with the mutations and that being a witcher/adventurer isnt nearly as glamorous as she imagined. Of course no dev is ever going to do something like this as it would create a shitstorm with both feminists and trannies.
 

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Wow sounds like the real question is how did they even manage to make one good game out of these terrible books?
By retconning them :lol:. Geralt coming back to the Northen Kingdoms at all is a retcon, the books are clear that he’s never seen again after dying the first time. If you’re a lore autist then CDPR has been dumping on the books with every game. Ciri is special because she’s unique, but they introduced another Child of the Elder Blood in W1 with Alvin. The fact that it takes until W2 for anyone to tell Geralt about Yen and Ciri is insane if you’ve read the books, that would be the first thing Dandalion asks about. All the monsters that are so prevalent in the games is lorebreaking, by the time of the books the only thing left to kill for Witchers are Drowners and nekkers. Yet somehow a freaking Kraken shows up in W2. Monsters are all over the place and there’s plenty of Witcher work to be done - because it would be boring as hell otherwise.

And then there’s W3 which is utterly inreconcilable with the books. Ciri being Emhyr’s daughter was a secret he was prepared to kill Geralt and Yen at the end of the books to keep, he wasn’t going to make her his heir. His plan was to marry and impregnate her because her son is supposed to be the one who will save the world from the White Frost. That’s also why the Wild Hunt elves want her, their king was supposed to impregnate her, but he couldn’t keep his cock hard because he hates humans so much and OD on asporadic (no joke this is legit what happens) to compensate. Yet in W3 everyone knows Ciri is Emhyr’s kid and no one talks about the prophecy regarding her child. There’s no way to reconcile that with the books.

Oh and letting you have the choice to break up Geralt and Yen for good in W3 so he can shag Triss is the kind of thing that would put ol’ Sap in his grave if he gave a damn about Witcher beyond using it to make vodka money.

Point being if you’re being autistic over them breaking with canon - these games have never been anything other than fan fic. Well made fan fic (occasionally), certainly better than Netflix, but no less willing to break from the books. Far as Sap is concerned the story ended with the books, Geralt, Yen, and Ciri were never seen by their friends again after they left, and that is the end.
It's actually beyond stupid that they're planning a trilogy about Ciri, and they've completely written off by default the whole thing about her child (since she's now sterile due to the trials). At least if at some point it went full Xena, raising a kid destined to become a great destroyer or someshit while being a wannabe monster slayer to the side, it could've been if not a new take at least an interesting and midly daring one. But no, i guess that's way too weird for any female character written to parrot a man 24/7.

Would be funny AF if she has a kid in TW4

Single mother, business woman.

“There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him, I can't explain what happened.”

:troll:
There is absolutely no chance they make Ciri a mother. Would be a very interesting twist if they made the Empress ending canon and them make her take to the road as a witcher after her son reached adulthood, sorta like making her finally be able to fulfill her 'dream' after she did her duty, only for it to be a fucking nightmare and she realizes she fucked her life with the mutations and that being a witcher/adventurer isnt nearly as glamorous as she imagined. Of course no dev is ever going to do something like this as it would create a shitstorm with both feminists and trannies.

Even better if she was ousted by her son like in Thronebreaker and had to become a Witcher to survive. There is no logical explanation why anyone would choose to do it willingly unless threatened in some way. Rosy end of Witcher III never thought it through and left it vague where "she chooses a life of a Witcher" in happy ending but that could mean a lot of unspecific stuff. Same as this trailer. I doubt people making it or making decisions about her being a Witcher thought through about all implications of it on entire Witcher world.

You could play around with that son idea because initially Sapkowski had that "destroyer" her offspring "will rule half the world and child of her child entire world" but later kind of back off from it or left it unanswered for future books. If main antagonist of TW4 is some elder blood carrier (what else could it be on threat scale after Wild Hunt?) you could do an Alvin in reverse where its maybe her son from the future trying to backstab her through time. If she is just a Witcher like Geralt and has no offspring than it breaks the lore and limits you even in potential adversaries. You can't just fight Bob the Wizard after King of Wild Hunt.
 

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