The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Harthwain]

So, you're not criticizing what they said, rather what you think they meant.

I am not even "criticizing what they said". I am simply seeing a plenty of red flags popping up everywhere. And it's not just me. This shit is all over the internet for quite some time by now. It is simply picking up speed now because of the recent trailer. If you prefer to ignore the warning signs, that is your prerogative, but keep this in mind when I come back to say "Told you so".

I'm not a fan of this hire and would prefer CDPR to pick better people. However, you cannot present his past writing as CDPR current statements. That's simply misinformation.

Wrong. First of all, we know what his opinions are and it is reasonable for us to extrapolate from that. Secondly, you probably didn't watch the other videos (considering your response), but they do talk about DEI/ESG policy of CDPR, which is a pretty good indicator that the reason they hired him (and keep him, and others, like the Sweet Baby Inc. defender) alignes pretty well with CDPR current "values".

Yes + the "There is no god but only monsters" to describe men is peak cringe, like it's only men that can be assholes. Give me a break.

Eh, the line itself is fine. Fits well enough with "both swords are for monsters". Where I can agree is that they didn't send in the prettiest girl in the village, because in reality you bet all the other jealous women would love to get rid of the competition that way and we can't show women being nasty bitches to other women.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Yes + the "There is no god but only monsters" to describe men is peak cringe, like it's only men that can be assholes. Give me a break.

Even here you're misquoting.

Ciri says "There are no gods HERE, only monsters". She replies to a peasant saying they only wanted to sacrifice the girl to the gods, that's why they murdered her when she fled the forest.

It's not a general declaration of atheism. Ciri simply knows there were no gods in the forest (she already killed the monster there), and the village she fought to protect appeared not to be worth risking her life either.

Can you guys at least stick to the facts and argue in good faith?

 

[Ascetic]

CDPR: We're proud of our commitment to DEI; look, we even won an award for it
Narrative designer: The game is going to address sexism
Lore designer: The Witcher TV series is good, Rings of Power is good, Harry Potter is bad specifically because Rowling is transphobic, diversity is essential, if you disagree with any of this you're a bigot

Fanboys: "But how could you know it's going to be woke? You're arguing in bad faith, stick to facts!!1!"

 

[Elttharion]

CDPR: We're proud of our commitment to DEI; look, we even won an award for it
Narrative designer: The game is going to address sexism
Lore designer: The Witcher TV series is good, Rings of Power is good, Harry Potter is bad specifically because Rowling is transphobic, diversity is essential, if you disagree with any of this you're a bigot

Fanboys: "But how could you know it's going to be woke? You're arguing in bad faith, stick to facts!!1!"

CDPR: We are one of the wokest devs in the industry now

Fanboys (polacks): Are you tho? I dont believe you

 

[Skinwalker]

Witcherer

Is that someone who hunts Witchers?

 

[Skinwalker]

Fanboys Retard_Potato: "But how could you know it's going to be woke? You're arguing in bad faith, stick to facts!!1!"

ftfy

 

[La vie sexuelle]

It's fascinating how much people are willing to deny reality. I mean both those from CDP and here on Codex.

The best thing is that when what has been predicted finally happens, there will be those who will still deny it.

 

[Thalstarion]

It's always the same story.

The plague of DEI/ESG is correctly identified and then suddenly anyone who calls it out is a 'grifter' and even the most deranged ideologues spewing bile at regular 'gamers' is somehow 'just a misunderstanding'.

The Witcher 4 is going to be terribly disappointing based on pattern recognition alone.

It cannot be claimed that the game is being criticised in bad faith, either, as many of the controversies have been sourced directly throughout this very thread.

 

[Harthwain]

Even here you're misquoting.

Ciri says "There are no gods HERE, only monsters". She replies to a peasant saying they only wanted to sacrifice the girl to the gods, that's why they murdered her when she fled the forest.

It's not a general declaration of atheism. Ciri simply knows there were no gods in the forest (she already killed the monster there), and the village she fought to protect appeared not to be worth risking her life either.

Can you guys at least stick to the facts and argue in good faith?

You're not criticizing what he said, rather what you think he meant.

Spoiler

He wasn't talking about atheism or god. He was talking about how the game describes men.

 

[moon knight]

"There is no god but only monsters" to describe men is peak cringe

It describes people's superstitions, not men. There are women in that group.

Do you want a woman to be the village Elder in a remote peasant village in a medieval setting?

 

[moon knight]

CDPR: We're proud of our commitment to DEI; look, we even won an award for it
Narrative designer: The game is going to address sexism

Sexisms is a theme of the book Saga.

Also did you see a single black or asian in that trailer?

 

[Lhynn]

CDPR: We're proud of our commitment to DEI; look, we even won an award for it
Narrative designer: The game is going to address sexism
Lore designer: The Witcher TV series is good, Rings of Power is good, Harry Potter is bad specifically because Rowling is transphobic, diversity is essential, if you disagree with any of this you're a bigot

Fanboys: "But how could you know it's going to be woke? You're arguing in bad faith, stick to facts!!1!"

This, its an insane level of delusion Im seeing in this thread.

 

[Lhynn]

The typical rage merchants like Endymion are trying to make a thing out of it

They couldnt make it a thing if there was nothing there.

Trailer sits at about 830k likes and about 30k dislikes right now, so it is kinda nothing.

This is an insane take
"Its not woke because normies cant tell if tis woke."

I dont know if its cope or pure bad faith on your part.

 

[Bulo]

"There is no god but only monsters" to describe men is peak cringe

The first game ends with Geralt stabbing the (male) villain with his silver sword. Just before he delivers the blow, the man cries, "That sword is for monsters!" It's a theme that comes up time and time again. Are you even familiar with the series you're defending?

 

[Lord_Potato]

Even here you're misquoting.

Ciri says "There are no gods HERE, only monsters". She replies to a peasant saying they only wanted to sacrifice the girl to the gods, that's why they murdered her when she fled the forest.

It's not a general declaration of atheism. Ciri simply knows there were no gods in the forest (she already killed the monster there), and the village she fought to protect appeared not to be worth risking her life either.

Can you guys at least stick to the facts and argue in good faith?

You're not criticizing what he said, rather what you think he meant.

Spoiler

He wasn't talking about atheism or god. He was talking about how the game describes men.

Men (and women) being a piece of shit in a game based on Sapkowski's novel.

Truly, a lore-breaking horror!

 

[Harthwain]

Men (and women) being a piece of shit in a game based on Sapkowski's novel.

Truly, a lore-breaking horror!

Not "Men (and women)". Just men. That was his point (which you constantly seem to be missing, despite it not being all that difficult to understand). And you might yet eat your words about "lore-breaking horror", considering who "CD Projekt Red's Franchise and Lore Designer" is (since April 2023).

 

[Bulo]

Regarding the trailer, it's obvious what the writers are driving at. The peasant woman is Ciri in analogy. She's groomed to go her doom by elders who believe it's her fate to die in order to save their community. Replace "community" with "the world" and you have Ciri. That's why Ciri wants to save her, and why she's so angry when the girl dies: Ciri is running from her fate (the elder blood), having even gone as far as mutating herself in a witcher ritual, but in the young girl's death she perceives the hopelessness of her own efforts. Prediction: the game will feature a two-pronged skill tree in which you can choose to go full witcher or full elder blood. Can't wait for the sex mods btw

 

[GrainWetski]

The typical rage merchants like Endymion are trying to make a thing out of it

They couldnt make it a thing if there was nothing there.

Trailer sits at about 830k likes and about 30k dislikes right now, so it is kinda nothing.

This is an insane take
"Its not woke because normies cant tell if tis woke."

I dont know if its cope or pure bad faith on your part.

It's the latter and the retards are not very subtle about it.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Men (and women) being a piece of shit in a game based on Sapkowski's novel.

Truly, a lore-breaking horror!

Not "Men (and women)". Just men. That was his point (which you constantly seem to be missing, despite it not being all that difficult to understand).

Geeez, these topics were always present in Sapkowski's novels and CDPR previous games.

In "Baptism by Fire" Geralt's party saves a girl from being mutilated and most likely killed from a bunch of angry villagers lead by - wait for it - a fanatical cleric who accuse her of being a witch. In the end the girl gets saved by a Regis who passes the trial by fire without visible burns (because he is a freaking vampire) and Geralt's dwarven friends mutilate the cleric instead.

That's nothing new. You just got edgy about these themes due to the current political climate.

And you might yet eat your words about "lore-breaking horror", considering who "CD Projekt Red's Franchise and Lore Designer" is (since April 2023).

Each time interviewers ask Sapkowski about his lore, he explains it's not really set in stone. He adds to it or retcons it whenever it is needed for the story. For him always the story comes before the lore. That's the main thing that differentiates him from Tolkien.

That's why it is so amusing to watch all those newborn lore experts discussing Sapkowski's lore in detail.

If the story proves to be good, I'll accept the witchering of Ciri. If it's shit (like in the tv-series) lore breaking will be the least reason for it.

 

[Ryzer]

Sapkowski believes the Netflix show is awesome and represents best his work, while dismissing Witcher 1-2-3. Having said that, his opinion hardly matters.

 

[Vincente]

This is an insane take
"Its not woke because normies cant tell if tis woke."

It's almost as insane as "Its woke because I say so."

 

[Bulo]

Sapkowski believes the Netflix show is awesome and represents best his work, while dismissing Witcher 1-2-3. Having said that, his opinion hardly matters.

He must have a fetish for ugly black women

 

[Average Manatee]

Sapkowski believes the Netflix show is awesome and represents best his work, while dismissing Witcher 1-2-3. Having said that, his opinion hardly matters.

I believe his approval directly correlates with the size of the check he received. He supposedly got very little for the Witcher games (which is fair because he was a literal unknown outside of poland before them).

 

[Vincente]

He supposedly got very little for the Witcher games

Isn't that because he agreed to do a one time payment instead of taking royalties, since he thought the game would bomb and had no faith?

 

[Lord_Potato]

Sapkowski believes the Netflix show is awesome and represents best his work, while dismissing Witcher 1-2-3. Having said that, his opinion hardly matters.

I believe his approval directly correlates with the size of the check he received. He supposedly got very little for the Witcher games (which is fair because he was a literal unknown outside of poland before them).

The moment CDPR ammended their contract and paid him serious money, he stopped whining about the games.