The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

[Lord_Potato]

True, removing the cards is not mature, just politically correct.

They removed the cards, but added fairly explicit sex scenes in TW2. So it was a point towards mature and against politically correct.

You can look at it from both ways.

There was something edgy and gamey about collecting sex cards - souvenirs from each conquest. It created a drive to 'collect them all' which meant fucking all these women to see all the card designs, regardless of the plot.

Sex scenes in W2/3 were fairly explicit by gaming standards, but rather vanilla compared to what cinema and tv of the 90s and early 2000s offered. Sex in latter Witchers wasn't as gamified and there was no deliberate motivation to collect all the girls. Romance options were usually tied to the main plot (with the exception of brothels) and it was up to the player whether to engage in another tryst and perhaps suffer the consequences later (remember what happened when you tried to romance both Yen and Triss?).

I think the way they handled sex was more politically correct in the latter Witchers. Women whom you could romance got more dialogue, agency, sometimes even an option to refuse Geralt if he messed up in the past. In Witcher 1 they were mostly just there to be fucked and provide a card.

 

[Harthwain]

I think the way they handled sex was more politically correct in the latter Witchers. Women whom you could romance got more dialogue, agency, sometimes even an option to refuse Geralt if he messed up in the past. In Witcher 1 they were mostly just there to be fucked and provide a card.

The way I understand political correctness it meant avoiding things such as swear words, sex or gore in order to not offend anyone (interestingly enough sex was a big no-no in the USA, while in Europe it was the other way around. For gore it was reversed. Not sure how it is nowadays. The woke-ism surely fucked up things even more, both in the USA and in Europe). That's why politically correct creations are neutered and games such as GTA caused such scandals.

 

[Green]

It's not politically correct to back off a dumb mechanic.

Especially when it doesn't fit the theme, since in W2 one of the first things Geralt does is save a topless woman from getting tortured, then the first town's villain is a guy born of gangrape who keeps the elves he rapes and impregnates in his attic, then when you get to the trenches in act 2 the guide guy recounts how he'd watched a soldier duck a corpse, then the act ends with the King dude killing everyone of Roche's people but the woman so he can rape her, and then i don't remember act 3 but probably something there too. (Oh, and the first thing we learn about Yennefer being that the guys in the dragon shortstories had wanted to rape her, and then in the flashbacks she's all naked and getting carried off by Eredin)

Might've reintroduced the cards in W3 as a silly easter egg since that game eased up on all that, but W2 is as 'politically correct' as broodmothers in Dragon Age: Origins.

 

[Iucounu]

True, removing the cards is not mature, just politically correct.

They removed the cards, but added fairly explicit sex scenes in TW2. So it was a point towards mature and against politically correct.

You can look at it from both ways.

There was something edgy and gamey about collecting sex cards - souvenirs from each conquest. It created a drive to 'collect them all' which meant fucking all these women to see all the card designs, regardless of the plot.

Viewing sex as "conquests" is not politically correct for sure. But are these women Geralts conquests, or is it the women that conquer Geralt? Or is the player the actual "conqueror"? Hardly, the player just "conquers" cards but unlike Geralt doesn't get any real sex.

Sex in latter Witchers wasn't as gamified and there was no deliberate motivation to collect all the girls. Romance options were usually tied to the main plot (with the exception of brothels) and it was up to the player whether to engage in another tryst and perhaps suffer the consequences later (remember what happened when you tried to romance both Yen and Triss?).

I think the way they handled sex was more politically correct in the latter Witchers. Women whom you could romance got more dialogue, agency, sometimes even an option to refuse Geralt if he messed up in the past. In Witcher 1 they were mostly just there to be fucked and provide a card.

So the offensive part in Witcher 1 is that women agree to casual sex with Geralt; but in the later games women play more hard to get, so Geralt must talk with them more and develop a "deeper" relationship? The latter sounds like an patriarchal view on female sexuality, where women are denied the right to casual sex. Or maybe the feminist writers deny female NPCs their sexual freedom just to spite Geralt's, as revenge for the many times the writers themselves had sex on the first date and the man never called back?

Of course in Witcher 4 none of this matters, since Ciri is a strong woman and can conquer as much as she wants.

 

[GrainWetski]

Women do not conquer, they get conquered. Even just insinuating otherwise shows your lack of dick and balls.

 

[Thalstarion]

It's not politically correct to back off a dumb mechanic.

It is.

The current batch of developers are cowards who are bending over backwards to smear the original game for being 'inappropriate' despite the simple fact that nobody worth listening to was ever offended by some pure and honest sex appeal.

We've already seen the same journalists attacking such features fawn over subversive nonsense such as 'muscle mommies' and 'bear sex' in Baldur's Gate 3.

Women are also just as filthy minded as many horny men, if not more so. Just go look at excerpts from the typical smutty romance novel written for women.

Stop tolerating and buying into their false ideologies. Nothing about their world view is ever consistent other than wanting to spread misery.

A video game rated for players over the age of eighteen having nudity is simply not a big deal. It is a video game rated for players over the age of eighteen. If a horror movie is rated for adults and contains nudity and gore, it is stupid to go and watch it only to complain about such elements being present. The same mentality should be taken towards video games.

There are ample games without nudity for individuals to play, also rated accordingly.

Funnily enough, it isn't the nudity itself that I care for. It's the general 'vibe'. It starts with censoring nudity and sex appeal. Then the nuance falls away because that might offend the dysgenic freaks. It all leads to predictable slop - any grit or rough edges removed, resulting in overly preachy messaging and broken aesops in no small part because in the name of being written to be 'progressive' the protagonists end up coming off as completely tone deaf and spiteful in their crusade to 'seek justice'.

 

[Green]

It's not politically correct to back off a dumb mechanic.

It is.

The current batch of developers are cowards who are bending over backwards to smear the original game for being 'inappropriate' despite the simple fact that nobody worth listening to was ever offended by some pure and honest sex appeal.

We've already seen the same journalists attacking such features fawn over subversive nonsense such as 'muscle mommies' and 'bear sex' in Baldur's Gate 3.

Women are also just as filthy minded as many horny men, if not more so. Just go look at excerpts from the typical smutty romance novel written for women.

Stop tolerating and buying into their false ideologies. Nothing about their world view is ever consistent other than wanting to spread misery.

A video game rated for players over the age of eighteen having nudity is simply not a big deal. It is a video game rated for players over the age of eighteen. If a horror movie is rated for adults and contains nudity and gore, it is stupid to go and watch it only to complain about such elements being present. The same mentality should be taken towards video games.

There are ample games without nudity for individuals to play, also rated accordingly.

Funnily enough, it isn't the nudity itself that I care for. It's the general 'vibe'. It starts with censoring nudity and sex appeal. Then the nuance falls away because that might offend the dysgenic freaks. It all leads to predictable slop - any grit or rough edges removed, resulting in overly preachy messaging and broken aesops in no small part because in the name of being written to be 'progressive' the protagonists end up coming off as completely tone deaf and spiteful in their crusade to 'seek justice'.

In what universe W1's sex cards qualify as sex appeal? I don't even care if some person on twitter felt insulted about them for some reason, it was just dumb. Hell, the whole game is dumb, just a big piece of fanfiction and barely canon in the trilogy besides. And as i said, it made sense to remove it in W2 even beyond that.

So not really accepting or buying into anything. I just don't have a binary view on the issue and believe there are gradients. For example, if you told me that the broodmothers in Origins - really the one instance of the game really going hardcore - were too much, i'd tell you good for you and think you're an idiot. If you told me that all the rape in W2 feels like the cheap edgy stand-in for dark fantasy, i could see it. Doesn't mean i'd want it gone, or that in its place i'd want a Ubisoft-like game with sanitized miggle-ages, but i could see it.

 

[Iucounu]

Women do not conquer, they get conquered. Even just insinuating otherwise shows your lack of dick and balls.

You may not enjoy Witcher 4...

It's not politically correct to back off a dumb mechanic.

It is.

The current batch of developers are cowards who are bending over backwards to smear the original game for being 'inappropriate' despite the simple fact that nobody worth listening to was ever offended by some pure and honest sex appeal.

We've already seen the same journalists attacking such features fawn over subversive nonsense such as 'muscle mommies' and 'bear sex' in Baldur's Gate 3.

I got an idea: what if Ciri is gifted jewelry containing miniature pictures of her love interests? Then she could look at those pictures and reminisce. The players too could go back and watch the pictures (and the associated sex love scenes) again from a tab in the game menu. Much more classy than tacky cards!

Women are also just as filthy minded as many horny men, if not more so. Just go look at excerpts from the typical smutty romance novel written for women.

Stop tolerating and buying into their false ideologies. Nothing about their world view is ever consistent other than wanting to spread misery.

A video game rated for players over the age of eighteen having nudity is simply not a big deal. It is a video game rated for players over the age of eighteen.

It's not a big deal for a female audience, but we can't allow males to access such content. That's paramount.

Funnily enough, it isn't the nudity itself that I care for. It's the general 'vibe'. It starts with censoring nudity and sex appeal. Then the nuance falls away because that might offend the dysgenic freaks. It all leads to predictable slop - any grit or rough edges removed, resulting in overly preachy messaging and broken aesops in no small part because in the name of being written to be 'progressive' the protagonists end up coming off as completely tone deaf and spiteful in their crusade to 'seek justice'.

Well, CDPR want to increase sales to an even wider audience than Witcher 3, and think the above is the only way. But yes, eventually the ever-increasing blandness of it all will bore even Witcher 3 fans.

 

[SpaceWizardz]

Tasteless and juvenile sex cards were replaced with tasteless and juvenile sex scenes, the latter of which is undeniably more indulgent regardless of how people cope.
Righoids yet again getting upset about the person they've made up in their head. The reality of Cyberpunk's egregious coomer-brain and W4 trailer opening with a woman bathing is too inconvenient for the argument being made so we'll instead just yap about some shit they saw on twitter.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

Hell, the whole game is dumb, just a big piece of fanfiction and barely canon in the trilogy besides. And as i said, it made sense to remove it in W2 even beyond that.

muh cannon

Only faggots care about cannon because 99.9% of the time "cannon" is worse than what could've been. The most internally consistent Witcher game, the best atmosphere and isn't brought down by having to follow retarded shit in the book.

Sex cards were fine and should've stayed. Mocap cutscenes where I have to stare at Geralts naked body are bullshit. Many less whores to fuck, and after witcher is also when they made Geralt into superman instead of the genetic freak he is.

Could go on and on. Witcher best game ever & sex cards based.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

The Witcher 2 and 3 were sequentially toned down, and still more edgy than the West .

For me at least, this toning down is connected to the player base's own maturation in these years between the games.

I don't think that's true. First, a brand's audience is never monolithic. Secondly, if you mean the cards, I found them to be a fun gimmick inside an essentially serious game, where the second one was much more juvenile.

True, removing the cards is not mature, just politically correct. In any case Witcher 3 is certainly not mature either: that game begins with the nude Geralt in a cringy bathtub cutscene (Jennifer is shown way less), then just a couple of levels later comes another bathtub! How is that any more mature than the cards? Clearly already Witcher 3 was made for a female audience.

W3 still had hookers.

I wonder how many girls conquer Ciri? And I'm asking about girls, not "girls".

 

[Ryzer]

Does the Witcher job include menstrual leave for Ciri?

 

[Bulo]

Do they allow menstrual leave for trans women?

 

[illuknisaa]

Maybe Ciri should get stats debuffs/buffs when its that time of the month? Maybe like stamina debuff because she is tired and dmg buffs because she is extra moody.

 

[Vincente]

so we'll instead just yap about what some shit they saw on twitter.

Only took 3 posts.

 

[Dark Souls II]

Polacks when the wokest company in Eastern Europe makes a mid popamole game about being a middle aged woman:

 

[Green]

Hell, the whole game is dumb, just a big piece of fanfiction and barely canon in the trilogy besides. And as i said, it made sense to remove it in W2 even beyond that.

muh cannon

Only faggots care about cannon because 99.9% of the time "cannon" is worse than what could've been. The most internally consistent Witcher game, the best atmosphere and isn't brought down by having to follow retarded shit in the book.

Sex cards were fine and should've stayed. Mocap cutscenes where I have to stare at Geralts naked body are bullshit. Many less whores to fuck, and after witcher is also when they made Geralt into superman instead of the genetic freak he is.

Could go on and on. Witcher best game ever & sex cards based.

Not gonna lie, better a faggot than a dyslexic. One n, you retard.

Other than that, good for you.

 

[Ryzer]

so we'll instead just yap about what some shit they saw on twitter.

Only took 3 posts.

It's their main website and twitter account, buttercup.

 

[Iucounu]

The Witcher 2 and 3 were sequentially toned down, and still more edgy than the West .

For me at least, this toning down is connected to the player base's own maturation in these years between the games.

I don't think that's true. First, a brand's audience is never monolithic. Secondly, if you mean the cards, I found them to be a fun gimmick inside an essentially serious game, where the second one was much more juvenile.

True, removing the cards is not mature, just politically correct. In any case Witcher 3 is certainly not mature either: that game begins with the nude Geralt in a cringy bathtub cutscene (Jennifer is shown way less), then just a couple of levels later comes another bathtub! How is that any more mature than the cards? Clearly already Witcher 3 was made for a female audience.

W3 still had hookers.

But much less interaction with them, if I recall correctly?

I wonder how many girls conquer Ciri? And I'm asking about girls, not "girls".

No girls! Ciri is a mature woman now, and her love interests will be even older. At best Ciri could save a 14-year-old girl from rapists, and then comfort her (in a motherly way). The main love story could be between Ciri and an older sorceress, who is a little different from the others --not just for being Zerrikanean, but also for refusing to let magic enhance her appearances.

For player agency, maybe Ciri as protagonist should do the conquering:

Side-quest: conquer 10 lesbians

(with quest compass).

It would also be great fun if Ciri could pay female hookers for sex.

But seriously, how should Witcher 4 handle all the male NPCs that would constantly be hitting on Ciri? Can male players accept that?

 

[Skinwalker]

Will this be worse than Vileguard, Awoked, and VTM: Dumpsterphyre?

 

[Gerrard]

One thing though. So far i haven't found any modern sounding swearing. Were those in the Polish?

The Polish version has creative pretend-Old-Polish curse words. "Chędożyć" (plough, roughly) instead of "pierdolić" (fuck), and such.

Like in the first story when the peasants are taunting Geralt one of them says his ears must be full of shit while the Italian uses manure

It is as close to the original as possible. "Łajno", used in the book, is an older word for "gnój" and both mean "manure", as opposed to "gówno" which means "shit". However I would not have used "manure" if translating this section to English. In English the simple "shit" is much more appropriate, though I do not doubt a better word could be found with a bit of effort.

The word you're looking for is "dung".

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Ears full of veilguard.

 

[sosmoflux]

When this game gets GOTY, sells 20m copies, and is objectively a super good game
How many years back is the anti-woke agenda gonna be sent?

 

[Lord_Potato]

When this game gets GOTY, sells 20m copies, and is objectively a super good game
How many years back is the anti-woke agenda gonna be sent?

It will be hillarious, just like Hogwart's Legacy in case of SJWsa and their agenda.

 

[BruceVC]

I have some very exciting news

I am about to finish Underrail and after all this debate and discussion around W4 I have realized how much I miss the entire Witcher universe

I have decided to replay the whole Witcher series, I only played these iconic games once and I didnt mod them

This time I will use extensive mods

I am looking forward to revisiting the world of Geralt and seeing how mods have changed the vanilla experience