Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

[Darth Slaughter]

How does the copyright in the case of TDM work? Aren't all fan Missions? Why is it ok to make a FM with garrett, hammerites, pagans and mechanists with the dark engine, and not with the dark mod?

 

[Direwolf]

So, guys, anyone buys this? I guess I'll get in on the Day 1, just to play 'eat poo-poo' once in a while.

I won't pay a cent for this.

At this stage I won't even bother torrenting this shit.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

How does the copyright in the case of TDM work? Aren't all fan Missions? Why is it ok to make a FM with garrett, hammerites, pagans and mechanists with the dark engine, and not with the dark mod?

I'm guessing it's OK to use Thief assets while playing Thief, as you have to use DromED anyway to make anything with it. But using Thief assets outside of the Thief game leads to legal hell, which the Dark Mod developers sought to avoid at all costs.

(Still leaves a few T2 Fan Missions in jeopardy as they've used assets from other games, but since the authors aren't making any money and acknowledging that they're using those assets has kept the legal hounds at bay.)

 

[Darth Slaughter]

How does the copyright in the case of TDM work? Aren't all fan Missions? Why is it ok to make a FM with garrett, hammerites, pagans and mechanists with the dark engine, and not with the dark mod?

I'm guessing it's OK to use Thief assets while playing Thief, as you have to use DromED anyway to make anything with it. But using Thief assets outside of the Thief game leads to legal hell, which the Dark Mod developers sought to avoid at all costs.

(Still leaves a few T2 Fan Missions in jeopardy as they've used assets from other games, but since the authors aren't making any money and acknowledging that they're using those assets has kept the legal hounds at bay.)

Yeah, but can't I, for example, make an FM and name names? I believe melan TDM missions are related to his T2 FMs.

 

[tuluse]

I'm guessing it's OK to use Thief assets while playing Thief, as you have to use DromED anyway to make anything with it. But using Thief assets outside of the Thief game leads to legal hell, which the Dark Mod developers sought to avoid at all costs.

(Still leaves a few T2 Fan Missions in jeopardy as they've used assets from other games, but since the authors aren't making any money and acknowledging that they're using those assets has kept the legal hounds at bay.)

You could probably get away with it by not distributing the assets and requiring the person to own Thief to pull the assets out of it.

That seems like a good amount of hassle for little gain.

 

[Stinger]

Could be worse. They may gain inspiration from biowhore and add lots of gay/tranny sex.

There are apparently going to be "Cinemax level" sex scenes in a brothel level.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Could be worse. They may gain inspiration from biowhore and add lots of gay/tranny sex.

There are apparently going to be "Cinemax level" sex scenes in a brothel level.

Blowjob DLC - only for $10!

 

[Stinger]

"What's your penis, is mine!"

 

[JarlFrank]

How does the copyright in the case of TDM work? Aren't all fan Missions? Why is it ok to make a FM with garrett, hammerites, pagans and mechanists with the dark engine, and not with the dark mod?

I'm guessing it's OK to use Thief assets while playing Thief, as you have to use DromED anyway to make anything with it. But using Thief assets outside of the Thief game leads to legal hell, which the Dark Mod developers sought to avoid at all costs.

(Still leaves a few T2 Fan Missions in jeopardy as they've used assets from other games, but since the authors aren't making any money and acknowledging that they're using those assets has kept the legal hounds at bay.)

Yeah, but can't I, for example, make an FM and name names? I believe melan TDM missions are related to his T2 FMs.

But are his missions related to official Thief lore?

If TDM named the main character Garrett, the hammer-wielding religious guys Hammerites, the more tech-oriented cult Mechanists and their leader Karras, while the city watch is led by a sherriff named Truart and some missions have you rob nobles named Bafford and Gervasius...
Then the game would use official Thief lore and that could lead to legal difficulties. Not that Eidos would actually care, considering how they're raping the setting of Thief anyway, but it would give them the possibility of legal action because the game would use Thief's IP.

 

[dnf]

How does the copyright in the case of TDM work? Aren't all fan Missions? Why is it ok to make a FM with garrett, hammerites, pagans and mechanists with the dark engine, and not with the dark mod?

I'm guessing it's OK to use Thief assets while playing Thief, as you have to use DromED anyway to make anything with it. But using Thief assets outside of the Thief game leads to legal hell, which the Dark Mod developers sought to avoid at all costs.

(Still leaves a few T2 Fan Missions in jeopardy as they've used assets from other games, but since the authors aren't making any money and acknowledging that they're using those assets has kept the legal hounds at bay.)

There was also the deaf guards that don't listen to the guard behind getting blackjake'd

 

[Darth Roxor]

WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK


Garrett doesn't know his place in the world, who his parents were, he grew up in an orphanage and stuff and wants to send a message to the world like "I only need myself" ((((((((((

and the decaying city is a very raw emotional experience for him!

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

and more! They even admit that there is absolutely nothing special the "old fans" will like about thiaf

 

[Borelli]

Dishonored's shoutout to Thief is 100x times better than whatever these losers will put in.

 

[Lancehead]

Perhaps the biggest mistake they're doing with the new Garrett is that they seem to be leaving nothing to the imagination of players, spelling out exactly who he was: his past, his motivations. If Garrett is supposed to be an enigmatic character, leave his past blurry, drop hints/tidbits throughout the game as to what he was and did, make sure there is more than one version of what happened and that no one account is more authentic than another, get the players thinking.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

'I am so lost, I want to show myself and deliver a message... Eat my French poo-poo, Thief fans.'

 

[J_C]

Perhaps the biggest mistake they're doing with the new Garrett is that they seem to be leaving nothing to the imagination of players, spelling out exactly who he was: his past, his motivations. If Garrett is supposed to be an enigmatic character, leave his past blurry, drop hints/tidbits throughout the game as to what he was and did, make sure there is more than one version of what happened and that no one account is more authentic than another, get the players thinking.

Subtlety? In a modern AAA++ game? Are you out of your mind? Do you expect us to use our imaginations?

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Perhaps the biggest mistake they're doing with the new Garrett is that they seem to be leaving nothing to the imagination of players, spelling out exactly who he was: his past, his motivations. If Garrett is supposed to be an enigmatic character, leave his past blurry, drop hints/tidbits throughout the game as to what he was and did, make sure there is more than one version of what happened and that no one account is more authentic than another, get the players thinking.

Subtlety? In a modern AAA++ game? Are you out of your mind? Do you expect us to use our imaginations?

Tell that to Hideo Kojima.

 

[J_C]

WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK


Garrett doesn't know his place in the world, who his parents were, he grew up in an orphanage and stuff and wants to send a message to the world like "I only need myself" ((((((((((

and the decaying city is a very raw emotional experience for him!

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

and more! They even admit that there is absolutely nothing special the "old fans" will like about thiaf

I like when the guy on the left ask if there is anything in Thiaf that is similar to the old games lore-wise, and the right douchebag gives the tyical bullshit answer: I can't tell you now, you have to play the game to find out. This always means NO in PR language.

 

[J_C]

Perhaps the biggest mistake they're doing with the new Garrett is that they seem to be leaving nothing to the imagination of players, spelling out exactly who he was: his past, his motivations. If Garrett is supposed to be an enigmatic character, leave his past blurry, drop hints/tidbits throughout the game as to what he was and did, make sure there is more than one version of what happened and that no one account is more authentic than another, get the players thinking.

Subtlety? In a modern AAA++ game? Are you out of your mind? Do you expect us to use our imaginations?

Tell that to Hideo Kojima.

Kojima gets a free pass because he is a God.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Perhaps the biggest mistake they're doing with the new Garrett is that they seem to be leaving nothing to the imagination of players, spelling out exactly who he was: his past, his motivations. If Garrett is supposed to be an enigmatic character, leave his past blurry, drop hints/tidbits throughout the game as to what he was and did, make sure there is more than one version of what happened and that no one account is more authentic than another, get the players thinking.

Subtlety? In a modern AAA++ game? Are you out of your mind? Do you expect us to use our imaginations?

Tell that to Hideo Kojima.

Kojima gets a free pass because he is a God.

So go ask him to make another Thief, with mustache and faggots.

 

[J_C]

How should I do that? I can't just address a God.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

How should I do that? I can't just address a God.

Hey, let's be logical for a moment. Where would you be if you were a God?

 

[Gord]

Not even through a Matt Chat episode?



























Sorry...

 

[J_C]

One can dream...

 

[dunno lah]

One can dream...

You get Kojima and I'll be sure to throw some jewdollars your way...

 

[Borelli]

Kojima making a Thief game.
Garrett using a magical thingy to communicate with the keeper HQ? That and many many cutscenes.