Game News Torment Kickstarter Update #2: Stretch Goals

[General Maxson]

Well put, hiver, well put. I don't want sex-centric game. It should be about much bigger, philosophical issues, not about fem-nazis, cis genders, bisexuals, and sex. That gender differences will probably be low key (but still meaningful and fun enough), similar to how it was done in Fallout.

 

[winterraptor]

Hence my comment on actually reading and comprehending the whole pitch.

In truth it seems to and probably aught to break away from the assumptions of that template on a number of levels (as to gender assumptions...who knows really, if they want to make up shit about equality they probably could).

Immediately after the quote, they point out all the fallen civilizations of a billion years. The setting is a mish mash...

 

[Rake]

hiver
I would kill for a proper Malazan RPG, but it seems that Steven Erikson has terrible tastes in gaming
http://thewertzone.blogspot.gr/2013/03/the-malazan-computer-game-that-never-was.html

 

[hiver]

winterraptor

thats that archetype, yes - generally speaking. though Trinity is missing razors themselves .

I usually play something like that, and if script for quests and characters are done well and also with some humor it can be quite entertaining.
And yet feel easy and not like a slog through "issues".

Here, of course there is additional "magic" - numenera esoteries and abilities and weird upgrades and skills and who knows what, to further diversify the build.
And the game is not going to have combat grinding - and will have a lot of text, dialogue, quests choices and consequences and ... STUFF.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Those comments... so many who want to destroy that which they are pledging for.

Once you try to escape the decline.. they pull you back in.

I bet half of those comments are from accounts linked to Chris Priestly's office ip.

 

[hiver]

hiver
I would kill for a proper Malazan RPG, but it seems that Steven Erikson has terrible tastes in gaming
http://thewertzone.blogspot.gr/2013/03/the-malazan-computer-game-that-never-was.html

Yeah, MCA mentioned he loves Malazan stories and would love to do an RPG and im thinking, Malazan and Obsidian - project Eternity design style - would fit kind of really well.

 

[winterraptor]

thats that archetype, yes - generally speaking. though Trinity is missing razors themselves .

Heh. Touché. Molly was indeed far more bad-ass.

I was surprised to find he had her in another story separate from the book. One of his earlier short stories I believe, so he carried her over.

 

[Rake]

hiver
I would kill for a proper Malazan RPG, but it seems that Steven Erikson has terrible tastes in gaming
http://thewertzone.blogspot.gr/2013/03/the-malazan-computer-game-that-never-was.html

Yeah, MCA mentioned he loves Malazan stories and would love to do an RPG and im thinking, Malazan and Obsidian - project Eternity design style - would fit kind of really well.

You just described my dream game. Pity it won't happen

 

[evdk]

Those comments... so many who want to destroy that which they are pledging for.

Once you try to escape the decline.. they pull you back in.

Bah. Fargo and company are sensible enough to filter out those moronic comments and if morons want to fund incline I certainly want attempt to stop them. Their collective whining when the finished product does in no way resemble anything Bioware has to offer will be that much sweeter.
(Alternatively our collective whining when it does will be pretty awesome as well and as I live on schadenfreude I win either way )

 

[Minttunator]

I would kill for a proper Malazan RPG, but it seems that Steven Erikson has terrible tastes in gaming
http://thewertzone.blogspot.gr/2013/03/the-malazan-computer-game-that-never-was.html

Hah, a Malazan fan! I have to admit, the first time I saw your username I thought "Anomander? Nah, he probably just named himself after the gardening tool." :D

The Numenera setting does seem somewhat similar, though - it was described in the pitch video as "a world covered in the ruins of great empires and crushed by the weight of time", which does remind me quite a bit of the Malazan world.

I'm not sure about Steven's taste in games - he doesn't seem to play a lot, though he did mention playing Skyrim and not enjoying it in a recent interview, so I guess there's at least some hope for him.

 

[Rake]

I would kill for a proper Malazan RPG, but it seems that Steven Erikson has terrible tastes in gaming
http://thewertzone.blogspot.gr/2013/03/the-malazan-computer-game-that-never-was.html

Hah, a Malazan fan! I have to admit, the first time I saw your username I thought "Anomander? Nah, he probably just named himself after the gardening tool." :D

The Numenera setting does seem somewhat similar, though - it was described in the pitch video as "a world covered in the ruins of great empires and crushed by the weight of time", which does remind me quite a bit of the Malazan world.

I'm not sure about Steven's taste in games - he doesn't seem to play a lot, though he did mention playing Skyrim and not enjoying it in a recent interview, so I guess there's at least some hope for him.

I know. He complained about modern games be 80% action and 20% story when he would prefer the opposite and i was " yes, there is hope for a great Malazan RPG (by Obsidian ) and i wondered if he has played Torment.
And then he goes and mentions FPS...

 

[Minttunator]

Some of you guys have read Books of Malazan, right?
It not only has strong female protagonists but very often, in case of smaller side characters, especially those inside Bridgeburners company - many are addressed and addressing each other only with nicknames and you can read more than half a book without figuring out those were actually female characters. They serve as soldiers, walk like soldiers, talk like soldiers, throw dirty jokes like soldiers, wear functional armor and have a clear "soldiery role".

Well said. That's the cool thing about Erikson's female characters - he doesn't make a big deal out of the fact that they're female (and the other characters don't, either). Some of them are bisexual/lesbian as well, but that's only mentioned in passing because it's not the focus of the story.

 

[Kem0sabe]

The point is that whining about this stuff (story and writing) is pointless and strangely because we know that Fargo and co are bros that way.

In a game like this, i think it´s pointless to even discuss the story, they will do their thing and we will enjoy it regardless.

If they could stir the discussion towards gameplay mechanics and presentation, that would be the ideal direction to influence the development of Torment. I.e turned based vs real time, 3D vs 2D and the such.

 

[Aeschylus]

Guys, is it bad that I keep hearing a voice in my head whispering "Kill... Kill..." while reading through the comment on this update?

No, seriously, it looks fine so far. It doesn't sound like differing genders for the PC will have a negative impact on the narrative, and the retrospective sounds cool. Also wheeee, 1.7m.

 

[evdk]

Some of you guys have read Books of Malazan, right?
It not only has strong female protagonists but very often, in case of smaller side characters, especially those inside Bridgeburners company - many are addressed and addressing each other only with nicknames and you can read more than half a book without figuring out those were actually female characters. They serve as soldiers, walk like soldiers, talk like soldiers, throw dirty jokes like soldiers, wear functional armor and have a clear "soldiery role".

Well said. That's the cool thing about Erikson's female characters - he doesn't make a big deal out of the fact that they're female (and the other characters don't, either). Some of them are bisexual/lesbian as well, but that's only mentioned in passing because it's not the focus of the story.

Now I want a Malazan RPG that will never happen. Thanks a lot, jerks.

 

[Rake]

Guys, is it bad that I keep hearing a voice in my head whispering "Kill... Kill..." while reading through the comment on this update?

No it's ok. The voice is me. Go and do it. Seriously. You will feel better after that. I promise.

 

[DwarvenFood]

Why the fuck are so many people talking about Mass Effect in the KS comments? o_O

It's the only sci-fi "RPG" they know, I suppose.

 

[Shadenuat]

I'm surprised they even added genders for player's character. For all the reasons, from concept art to setting, I thought PC would be genderless (in spirit with a castaway shell and fallen angel hunting him, he could be like angel too), maybe even completely silent, and game themes will not focus on genders at all, but at those higher concepts like Tides, ideas, emotions.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I'm surprised they even added genders for player's character. For all the reasons, from concept art to setting, I thought PC would be genderless (in spirit with a castaway shell and fallen angel hunting him, he could be like angel too), maybe even completely silent, and game themes will not focus on genders at all, but at those higher concepts like Tides, ideas, emotions.

Yeah, well, even if they would have ever considered that it could never fly, I guess. Simple minds must identify in some ways with the character otherwise it's not good. The setting is weird enough already and if they don't dumb it down to just flavor, then you'd a have a legion of mouthbreathers on your back yelling: "BUT WHAT I AM? GIRL OR BOY OR BOTH? ITS IMPORTANT!"

 

[Jashiin]

Those comments... so many who want to destroy that which they are pledging for.

Once you try to escape the decline.. they pull you back in.

Bah. Fargo and company are sensible enough to filter out those moronic comments and if morons want to fund incline I certainly want attempt to stop them. Their collective whining when the finished product does in no way resemble anything Bioware has to offer will be that much sweeter.
(Alternatively our collective whining when it does will be pretty awesome as well and as I live on schadenfreude I win either way )

Yes Fargo is a bro, but damn those comments.. decline never seizes to amaze.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

We can only hope InXile view their KS comments with as few grains of salt as one would with Youtube comments. Lowest life forms. Lowest opinions. Once you go down that rabbit hole..............

 

[FeelTheRads]

We can only hope InXile view their KS comments with as few grains of salt as one would with Youtube comments. Lowest life forms. Lowest opinions. Once you go down that rabbit hole..............

Hopefully BN points them the right way. He'd better not eat at the Torment funding for nothing.

 

[abnaxus]

Some of you guys have read Books of Malazan, right?
It not only has strong female protagonists but very often, in case of smaller side characters, especially those inside Bridgeburners company - many are addressed and addressing each other only with nicknames and you can read more than half a book without figuring out those were actually female characters. They serve as soldiers, walk like soldiers, talk like soldiers, throw dirty jokes like soldiers, wear functional armor and have a clear "soldiery role".

Except for the case of Masan Gilani. You can't read two pages without mention of how big her ass and tits are and how tight her leather armour is.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I'm not actually worried. Having BN officially employed there gives me much more confidence as I know he not only understands the way these games should be handled but he knows how to separate the idiotic chattering of the beast known as MANCHILD from the reasonable, if annoying, griping and moaning.

 

[Infinitron]

I like the girls in the comments complaining that the female PC is too ugly for them.

"Please add hair customization!! It's important!"