Preview Torment Kickstarter Update #52: New Mark Morgan Track, Circus Minor Screenshot

[Delbaeth]

Make the Codex great again, go back to the Watch.

I am not even sure that the Watch would make a such mess.

 

[Fry]

Gesamtkunstwerk

At the last minute I decided against blinding myself. Tragically, my eyes have now rolled so far back into my head they're glued to my frontal lobe.

Have you considered sending a writing sample to Kotaku?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Obviously the cobblestones have been laid with adra. I'm sorry, with numenera.

 

[Doktor Best]

He was just copypasting mrbtongue. I get the concept, but i dont think something that minor like some misplaced cobblestones could hurt the overall integrity of the gamedesign. There are so many much more important things to get right. Heck, planescape was a consistent piece of art despite the fact that combat sucked major asshole.

 

[Darkzone]

He was just copypasting mrbtongue. I get the concept, but i dont think something that minor like some misplaced cobblestones could hurt the overall integrity of the gamedesign. There are so many much more important things to get right. Heck, planescape was a consistent piece of art despite the fact that combat sucked major asshole.

I recommend to you "Das Kunstwerk der Zukunft" and "Oper und Drama" from W.R.Wagner. But yes i have watched the video from mrbtongue and i also agree with him on this topic, or at least he has spoken with his argumentation to my previous knowledge. And perhaps because of the intersection i liked mrbtongue's videos so much.

 

[kris]

Autismtrain is rolling again? What will be next? Game is shit because people with wigs look like people with normal hair? Guys, seriously, get a fucking grip of yourself.

No u. Seriously, noone is telling the developers to kill themselves, they are pointing out something that could be improved. Either the developers listen to it or they dont. I dont see this as an serious issue, but I do think it is lazy. You are just an apologist that seems to not care about quality.

If they post a screenshot then they should brace themselves for critisizm. simple as. React to it? Whatever.

 

[Fry]

Criticism is expected and desired. Silly nitpicking combined with pontificating on the nature of art is... tedious.

With an actual beta hand, hopefully the discussion will find substance next week.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

With an actual beta at hand, hopefully the discussion will find substance next week.

All those "critics" here will find that the new Torment is somehow "lacking" in any random department and is therefore a total failure in their watchful critics eyes, and whoever doesn't see it their way is a mental fanboy, and Unity sucks, and Mark Morgan is too unoriginal etc etc. It'll all be there, I can't wait for the beta.

 

[Infinitron]

That stuff is superficial, though. I'm curious to see how many people will just not like the game's writing. Bland/boring/too verbose/I just don't care/reminds me of PoE/etc.

 

[Athelas]

I suspect the most common descriptors in that discussion will be (the lack of) 'soul', 'heart' and 'blues'.

 

[MRY]

Silly nitpicking combined with pontificating on the nature of art is... tedious.

I may feel otherwise when it actually happens, but at least right now I'm actually interested in having a bunch of people nitpick the writing I did. (Although perhaps, as Infinitron suggests, comments will stop at "too verbose.") It's not that common to have a large number of people scrutinize your work, especially when there's still time / ability to do something to fix it.

 

[Fry]

#grammargate > #cobblegate

 

[Bubbles]

soundtrack by sun ra

I'm not sure if any RPG developer would be that adventurous, although I'd certainly like to see somebody try.

Actually, it'll be fascinating to see how Torment's attempt to simultaenously appeal to PST fans, Numenera fans, and the wider RPG market will be reflected in the final design. This could go horribly wrong in many exciting ways.

 

[Roguey]

Not really. A lot of RPGs have much higher completion rates, just check steam achievement stats and see for yourself.

Those are action games. D:OS and PoE's completion rates are comparable to Blackguards's and Hard West's.

 

[Fairfax]

I may feel otherwise when it actually happens, but at least right now I'm actually interested in having a bunch of people nitpick the writing I did. (Although perhaps, as Infinitron suggests, comments will stop at "too verbose.") It's not that common to have a large number of people scrutinize your work, especially when there's still time / ability to do something to fix it.

So you wrote stuff that's in this beta? Let us know what specifically, I'm sure a lot of people will nitpick it for you.

Those are action games. D:OS and PoE's completion rates are comparable to Blackguards's and Hard West's.

Pretty selective comparison.

 

[Roguey]

Pretty selective comparison.

Steam achievements didn't exist until 2010 and it's not like we've seen many lengthy turn based/rtwp RPGs since then.

 

[MRY]

So you wrote stuff that's in this beta? Let us know what specifically, I'm sure a lot of people will nitpick it for you.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the etiquette in this arena is with indentifying one's own work. I can see if it's permissible. Though I guess if it has dense, boring text with obscure words, you can hazard it's my doing.

 

[Fairfax]

So you wrote stuff that's in this beta? Let us know what specifically, I'm sure a lot of people will nitpick it for you.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the etiquette in this arena is with indentifying one's own work. I can see if it's permissible. Though I guess if it has dense, boring text with obscure words, you can hazard it's my doing.

I know you're just being cautious, but that's a very...vague definition for a game like this.

 

[MRY]

So you wrote stuff that's in this beta? Let us know what specifically, I'm sure a lot of people will nitpick it for you.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the etiquette in this arena is with indentifying one's own work. I can see if it's permissible. Though I guess if it has dense, boring text with obscure words, you can hazard it's my doing.

I know you're just being cautious, but that's a very...vague definition for a game like this.

It is apparently kosher to share, but because a specific identification of the writing would reveal content from the beta, I'll hold off until it's released.

 

[Fairfax]

So you wrote stuff that's in this beta? Let us know what specifically, I'm sure a lot of people will nitpick it for you.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the etiquette in this arena is with indentifying one's own work. I can see if it's permissible. Though I guess if it has dense, boring text with obscure words, you can hazard it's my doing.

I know you're just being cautious, but that's a very...vague definition for a game like this.

It is apparently kosher to share, but because a specific identification of the writing would reveal content from the beta, I'll hold off until it's released.

 

[MRY]

More like:

 

[Trip]

MRY Pity I won't be able to make the Beta run. I'd happily nitpick stuff for you
But yes, it would be a more meaningful discussion, for this game at least.

 

[l3loodAngel]

I mean ofcourse we are not getting the exotic surreal dreamlike moebius fantastic experience we all want, like pic related, buts its looking good for what it is.

Snip..

And the problem is? I mean very few people would like to play assylum pacient games. In any case prosper land is the thing you are looking for.

 

[l3loodAngel]

its looking good for what it is.

you say this like it's not a bad thing. "What it is" is a spiritual successor to what is generally considered one of the best CRPGs of all time. It shouldn't look like there's no real art direction and it certainly shouldn't look like some patched together facsimile of a bg2 map. Check your fucking standards.

FFS. It is a city built upon city, it should be/feel displaced, awkward and parts of it not fitting the general setting. Check you brain. Again go prosper land folks, lets not forget about its existence.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Looks interesting. We shall see.
Honestly, I think it will be a anyway, but who knows.