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Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Thread

Discussion in 'inXile Entertainment' started by Florian Gheorghe, Feb 28, 2017.

  1. Iznaliu Arbiter

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    You are either delusional or insane; probably both.
     
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  2. YES! Hi, I'm Roqua Dumbfuck

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    Or you are a little child and lack perspective, taste, and an adult comprehension. Either or. I'm guessing the latter because come on.
     
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  3. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    Kill yourself, retard.
    If this and W2 are modern classics or whatever the fuck you called them then the RPG genre is shit and should die and never exist again.
     
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  4. Ulfhednar Learned

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    Only enlightened beings can understand the game of T:ToN. If you were expecting a real RPG with tactical gameplay challenges, compelling characters and a coherent, well-written story then you should sublimate your fleshly desires and embrace the truth - there is no game. Then you'll see that it was not InXile who produced this shit stain on the legacy of PS:T, but only your love affair with Colin McComb.

     
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  5. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    That applies to the entire game - many individual quests are expertly written and engaging. It's the top level stuff that falls flat. The game fails to answer the most basic question of why should you even continue playing. It doesn't give you any compelling reason to go from quest to quest. You just feel like you're pushing through it for the sake of it, and occasionaly stumbling upon well written piece doesn't change that. That's what's really, truly sad about this whole fiasco, there's a lot of great content in this game that will go largely forgotten in a few years. Bloom in particular is one of the best areas in any RPG in existence, but by the time you reach it, you already don't give a shit.
     
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  6. Starwars Arcane

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    I agree that the whole story is a huge disappointment (especially in comparison to PS:T) but eh... for me it doesn't detract much from the stuff that is good. I mean, obviously it is a disappointment and such a waste really. But there is still good stuff in there to be enjoyed.
     
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  7. Prime Junta Self-Ejected Patron Vatnik

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    I agree that the sauce is made of diarrhoea (especially in comparison to a real bolognese) but eh... for me it doesn't detract much from the great meatballs. I mean, obviously it is a disappointment and such a waste really. But there is still good stuff in there to be enjoyed.
     
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  8. Starwars Arcane

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    Good comparison there. Obviously the same thing! Not at all like enjoying Arcanum despite the terrible combat, or Mask of the Betrayer despite the... well, terrible combat and horrible camera. Bloodlines except it being horribly unfinished and janky. Hell, PS:T despite the shitty combat and horrendous Curst/Carceri sections.
     
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  9. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    Ehm, the ratio of shit to good is quite different here. Here you have to swim through shit to get the to the good parts, in the others you mention you usually just step into it. Ok, occasionally you step in a puddle, but still nothing you could drown in.
     
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  10. Starwars Arcane

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    Certainly not how I would describe it. And even if it were true, definitely not to the point where people masturbate their dicks off for Arcanum for example but think Numenera is the worst thing in the entire world.
     
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  11. undecaf Arcane Patron

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    There is some truth there of course, but I don't think it's quite that drastic. I mean, aside from being the disappointment for not meeting the advertised qualities, the game is pretty much good for what it is and a bit more here and there.
     
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  12. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    Definitely not the worst thing in the world, can't beat PoE there. :smug:

    But otherwise, there can be no comparison between this and Arcanum. They're so far apart, this might as well be the worst thing in the world.
     
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  13. YES! Hi, I'm Roqua Dumbfuck

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    Are you saying PST had tactical gameplay challenges? If so, I end my case. Your well written story has little to do with if a game is a good game or not. I don't expect my books, movies, shows or plays to be good games, but I do expect my games to be good games. Which means if it has a dearth of any sort of challenge, shit mechanics, and shit chardev it is a shitty game. Sure, a shitty game can tell a good story, but the best storytelling mediums are not games. Gary Gygax himself stated if the game is being directed it isn't a roleplaying game. A good rpg lets you tell a story, not have a story told to you.

    As for compelling characters I fail to see it in PST. Who is compelling? Mort the head thing was okay, but the rest did nothing for me. The sword elf-like magic guy was a hack character, the thief lady was a hack, the demon vampire lady was a hack, the robot guy was a hack, the fire guy goes beyond hack to fucking joke land, and if there are others they are so forgettable I forgot them. As for non party members who was good? The only one I found interesting was witch lady. Some had potential like the demon skull thing that wants to destroy everything because of apathy, but it was too much too soon and too obvious.

    TToN had good mechanics, good chardev, and a much higher challenge throughout than PST did. The challenge can't be argued. PST had click and watch RTwP that was so easy it literally is the cause of me not ever being able to finish the game. The combat is just too much and too boring to slog through. It requires almost no player input through 99% of the combat. This is not true for TToN. As proof, my wife, who loves Donkey Kong games and games with hidden objects as the whole fucking game (seriously, there are games that are kind of expensive just about finding hidden objects, tons of them) and other shit for consoles and monkey idiots more than real games played PST. It is one of the only real games I ever got her to play. It is a great inteductory rpg for people with shit tastes in games because it is so easy and interesting to people who generally like shit. My wife also watches almost every reality show and all the singing and dancing shows. She has pure shit taste. She likes nothing good. Look how much I am hated on this site and she still had the poor taste to marry someone as hated by fake rpg loving idiots like me. Poor taste. I told her about TToN and she wanted to play it and she hated it because she sucks at thinking games. She couldn't figure out the stats, equipment, chardev, combat, or anything. Why? Because real rpgs shouldn't be easy. They shouldn't be for the dumb.

    But, does any of this matter? I like TToN, you like PST. I have a lot of criticism for PST, you have it for TToN. As the saying goes, only mediocrity escapes criticism. Since I have impeccable taste and the crpg equivalent of a sophisticated palate. Like Zelda, Donkey Kong and Pokeman it would be impossible to argue that PST isn't popular in the general rpg circles. Tyranny of the masses/center and all that.

    I think PST is an important game and the rpg community is richer for it having been made. PST is the game I recommend to people who I try and get into rpgs, because it is so compelling to people who are not familiar with rpgs. It is the Harry Potter of rpgs. TToN is more like Wolfe's "Book of the New Sun" series. Different, definitely not for kids or people new to the genre or anything but the advanced or bright kids. Not for slow adults either.

    I can see the anger of why people who love PST don't like TToN. They were promised Harry Potter and they got adult thinking stuff. I get angry with shit like this too. When a new TDE game was announced back in mid 00s or around then I was furios because they were making a BG clone instead of a RoA type game. But, Drakensang 2 was a pretty good game. It had shit combat but had good chargen and dev and combat was easy no matter what you did but it went faster if I used abilities which as a step in the right direction for RTwP.

    What I am trying to say is we can argue about which game is shit because both games are not mediocre. I never read Harry potter because I have good taste and was in my early 20s when it came out and grew out of liking shit for kids much younger than that, but lots of slow adults love it. My kids love the shit out of Harry Potter. Books and movies. I even had to watch some of these film atrocities with those little shitheads. All three were scared by some of them even though it makes no sense to be so. Some shit is inexplicable to the mature adult mind with good taste, like how anyone claiming to like rpgs couldn't like TToN. But this thread is a testament to just how shitty the taste of this community is, or highlights that they are children with sophomoric taste stuck in the Harry potter phase of life and not ready for the Book of the New Sun.
     
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  14. Mynon Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Looking at the steam user reviews after the steam sales, there are finally some positive ones on the front page. So, looks like the consensus might be changing with the influx of new players.
     
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  15. YES! Hi, I'm Roqua Dumbfuck

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    It is a given this game will be considered a great game, whether it be in two years or ten. Do me a favor and remember this and the people shitting on it so the don't pull a Troika and all of a sudden love good games five years after the developers were shut down because of their hate mongering small minded drama hissy hate fits of poor taste and poorer thinking ability.
     
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  16. Mynon Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    To be fair, that seems to be a running meme about the way in which RPG Codex folks approach and rate RPGs. What I saw so far sort of confirms it tho, so I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.
     
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  17. CptMace Self-Ejected

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    Finally gave this game a shot.
    It's surprisingly boring and unimaginative.
    Although I'm not familiar with Numenera, maybe that's the problem ? Or the fact they wanted to merge a thing (PST) and another (Numenera) with no regards to the relevance of the combination ?
     
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  18. Iznaliu Arbiter

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    It is a given that you are considered a great joke.
     
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  19. Mynon Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Obviously, we were talking of the reviews featured on the front page, ie the most rated/best rated ones, rather than of overall positive to negative ratio. Majority of players won't ever post their own reviews, so votes on existing ones are as good a representation of their opinion as any.
     
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  20. ga♥ Liturgist

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    Why do you bitch about IE games being too easy and then you praise TTON, when you can't even set difficulty and its just a big (ugly) story mode?

    PST was praised the moment it came out, it didn't become a classic after "two years".
    Can I have an example of a game shitted on when it came out and then suddendly after some time considered a masterpiece?
     
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  21. prodigydancer Arcane In My Safe Space

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    Fig seems to be more about making money than games. Such projects tend to fare poorly in the long run simply because they focus on the wrong thing. If you just want to make money, start a hedge fund or a holding company or a bank.

    As for KS, I don't see anything inherently wrong with their model. But they, too, have a problem with getting their priorities straight (at least in the VG segment). Apparently, they see the publishers as competition, but the truth is, there are tons of projects that will never see a cent of publisher funding for various reasons, and that's where they could step in. But KS needs to start treating the backers as actual paying customers, not as casino gamblers. Which means stricter rules for the developers.

    And that's where we go back to TToN. In the world of a backer-friendly KS, inXile would have a lot to answer for. E.g. why is their art such garbage? Somehow Red Hook can afford good art and you can't with a budget 15 times as big? TToN isn't a even a huge game - it has only so many backgrounds and portraits. Where the hell did the money go?
     
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  22. Sizzle Arcane

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    It's obvious they grossly mismanaged their funds. There are so many T:ToN screens of areas that never even made it into the game. Not concept art - fully finished, rendered area screens.

    Not to mention - cut features (even an entire city), squandering funds on different (inferior) portrait art.

    I hope that one day we will learn what exactly went wrong with the development of this game - it would probably make for a better story than the one in the game itself :D
     
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  23. tripedal Savant

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    Has anyone counted how many maps/NPCs/quests/etc PoE has vs TToN?
     
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  24. Zer0wing Cipher

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    Let's hope it's not a problem with InXile staff's mental and sexual health.
     
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  25. YES! Hi, I'm Roqua Dumbfuck

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    Every single Troika game are your examples. And no game should have difficulty modes so everyone has a shared experience. I don't see how anyone with the mental capacity of a early teen or greater could ever argue PST posed any sort of challenge at all (besides the challenge of continuing to play while bored out of your mind from the boring combat) compared to TToN, which actually required player input and thought. Was it challenging? No, but yes compared to PST or any other IE game, and it did require playing input and thought unlike most of the most popular games on this site, which certainly did not.
     
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