Tyranny + Bastard's Wound Expansion Thread

[Rev]

A game about drinking beer and mosquitoes made by one-man-studio sells 80.000 on Steam. It is also a better role-playing game than Tranny is.

A game for 14.99 $ outsells a game for 41.99 $.

Beyond that, Tyranny has been out only for five days, while that other game was released two weeks earlier. Btw, Tyranny doesn't seem to be capable of going near PoE's numbers (which shouldn't surprised anyone, really), I think it will be around 200k in a month, then maybe settle around 500k a year after release.

Absurdian have a lot more history and coverage (especially with PoE and New Vegas), so it's obvious that it would sell better than UnderRail. I'm wondering whether UnderRail (or any other of the glorious incline) would sell well if it got massive PR, I'm assuming that it will, but whether The Masses(tm) would "like" it is another matter.

Of course, Underrail and AoD would sell better if they got more press coverage, but they're too hardcore even for most of the PoE/D:OS audience (which in turn are seen as too hardcore for the BioWare/Beth/CDP fanbase), they'd never 1 mil copies or anything near.
Despite all, both Underrail and AoD have been performing rather well, which is well deserved.

 

[Excidium II]

Is the magic system of this game interesting and visually gratifying?

Not really. Pick a spell type (fire/ice/lightning/illusion/healing/etc) and a targeting (touch/projectile/cone/self/etc) and it's mostly done, then you just add some small modifiers like extra damage, bigger range, additional damage type, aoe as your lore skill level allows. Not all spell types support all targeting modes.

It's p. annoying to recraft all your spells for extra modifiers when your lore skill goes up. Visually it's mostly your typical fireworks.

 

[Lacrymas]

Magic is a wet noodle and it's not obvious whether it even connects to an enemy, but that's also a problem of the horrendous combat UI.

 

[HansGruber]

The only thing i was saying, is that it is a good performance for a title in this genre, for this pricepoint. I drew the comparision to Dishonored 2, since it came out roughly at the same time and has a significantly higher budget and pricepoint. Plus marketing.

I think Paradox and Obsidian will make money out of this, which is a good thing for the cRPG genre. Any half decent publisher who invests in our niche and succeeds is good.

 

[adddeed]

Is the magic system of this game interesting and visually gratifying?

Not the msot interesting, but very visually gratifying.

 

[veevoir]

Spells that give burning affliction have good feedback. In general - burning animations are cool. I like fire.

And of course good guys get the cool stuff again, maxing loyalty with rebels gives an incredibly cool one-per enounter burning line spell.

 

[Shadenuat]

"chosen one" role?

It's really not the important part here. Right from the start you have something to lose: a position of at least some power. You're not a peasant from a burned down village, not an outcast, not an escaped prisoner. You're somebody - and not just in the end where you "chosen" potential is realized. You also have a few things to consider when picking sides. For instance, is your word worth anything? Because at some point you pledged your life to Kyros and Tunon. Siding with the rebels might seem like a noble thing to do but it also makes you a traitor.

It doesn't make you a traitor. The way it goes it feels more right than siding with anyone, and you can easily justify it to Tunon. (LOL ARCHONS ARE RETARDS, I FINISHED EDIKT I WIN)

You can stay loyal to Kyros can't you?

Not really no.

I guess some people might argue it's a matter of perception,

Spoiler

but please, you end up as overlord yourself and Kyros sending army on you, so c'mon?

 

[hell bovine]

Is the magic system of this game interesting and visually gratifying?

In short: yes, but. Building your own spellbook is fun, BUT unfortunately combat is just not challenging enough to make full use for it. For example: frost spells apply the "frozen" state (duh), which seems to make the target more vulnerable to physical damage (crushing I think). In theory you could set up interesting combos between a frost mage and a fighter, BUT in practice there is no point, because (even on PotD) it's easier to mass spam spells, everything dies quickly enough.

Tyranny's magic system would be brilliant in a turn-based combat system, in my opinion. Especially since it could be expanded to other classes, e.g. have archers make their own custom arrows.

 

[Mei Scarlet]

Spoiler

but please, you end up as overlord yourself and Kyros sending army on you, so c'mon?

I still don't understand that move.

Spoiler

Kyros got tired of all that civil war shit and instead encouraged a battle royale, ok. He send armies with another Archon so we would hurry and finish it quickly, ok. The winner will rule the unified Tiers, one way or another, ok. So far it's great. But why did Tunon and Belen had to participate too, they were not involved in the war whatsoever. Tunon was wholly devoted to Kyros's justice and wanted shit to end too, Belen was his loyal dog. I was really sad when the game forced me into a revolt ending. Like, what. I killed a problem (Nerat), made an alliance with Ashe (my character has no idea how to lead a huge army and Ashe was reasonable enough). I had to kill Belen but I really didn't want to, he just went and died. Then Tunon went full retard, proclaimed me an overlord and bowed to me. What. At every point of the game so far my character was completely loyal to both Tunon and especially Kyros so I guess I had to execute Tunon for treason right there and take his place doing basically the same job under Kyros rule. But okay, I felt mercy for my old respectable boss and accepted his pledge leaving him at the same place doing the same job.
Why the fuck would I compete with Overlord at this point, I did precisely what he commanded - war is finished, Tiers are ruled under me and Tunon. Happy end I guess but no, my character just had to go and nuke Overlord's capital since his troops for some reason didn't stop. I fully expected at that point for Calio to reveal herself as Kyros in disguise and a long conversation about her magical social experiment (since at this point it was obvious to me that I was planted into all that happened precisely by Overlord's hand) but instead the game just ended.
Eh. Waiting for DLC.

 

[Bubbles]

Eh. Waiting for DLC.

New thread title?

 

[Necroscope]

Just acquired the third Spire and I must say the game is quite addictive. Unlike Turds of Eternity, it feels like it actually wants to be played. Kinda reminds me of Suikoden II due to similar themes.

 

[an Administrator]

Tyranny: Proving Grounds of The Mad Overlord

 

[miles teg]

So, an unpolished short gem?

 

[CyberWhale]

Rock.

 

[Sentinel]

These people obviously didn't even touch the game long enough to find something to criticize.

IIRC the lead producer of PoE (forgot his name, Adam something, Brennecke?) said in TotalBiscuit's GOG stream of the game that the big majority of the reviewers didn't get past Act 2 before publishing their reviews of the game.
In the PCGamesN review of Tyranny the reviewer also says the writing and story rival the likes of Planescape: Torment. But then goes on to admit in the comments that he has never played PS:T.

 

[Lacrymas]

Mainstream reviewers are odd creatures, it's like most of them failed at some other job and got settled doing this by having connections or something. Nobody told them that gaming is a legit medium though, so they slap together whatever, think nobody would notice because pff gaming and call it a day. The others are just payed to review AAA games positively and they are good little whores with big, wide assholes by now with all that corporate fucking. I.e. don't trust mainstream reviewers about anything.

 

[Bleed the Man]

These people obviously didn't even touch the game long enough to find something to criticize.

IIRC the lead producer of PoE (forgot his name, Adam something, Brennecke?) said in TotalBiscuit's GOG stream of the game that the big majority of the reviewers didn't get past Act 2 before publishing their reviews of the game.
In the PCGamesN review of Tyranny the reviewer also says the writing and story rival the likes of Planescape: Torment. But then goes on to admit in the comments that he has never played PS:T.

Are you sure you understood that well? Reviewers might be shit, but usually that's related with a lack of critical analysis more than not even even finishing the games they're reviewing.

 

[Lacrymas]

I think it's a well-known fact that most gamers, let alone reviewers, don't complete games. I'm quite sure most of them don't complete anything.

 

[Sentinel]

These people obviously didn't even touch the game long enough to find something to criticize.

IIRC the lead producer of PoE (forgot his name, Adam something, Brennecke?) said in TotalBiscuit's GOG stream of the game that the big majority of the reviewers didn't get past Act 2 before publishing their reviews of the game.
In the PCGamesN review of Tyranny the reviewer also says the writing and story rival the likes of Planescape: Torment. But then goes on to admit in the comments that he has never played PS:T.

Are you sure you understood that well? Reviewers might be shit, but usually that's related with a lack of critical analysis more than not even even finishing the games they're reviewing.

Yes I am sure of that. I don't remember if he said "Act 2" but I do remember that he said they did not finish the game.
I don't know why that surprises you. I'd be willing to bet that more than half of reviewers never finish the games they're tasked with reviewing because of having to meet deadlines/they don't even care about the game at all.

 

[LizardWizard]

In the PCGamesN review of Tyranny the reviewer also says the writing and story rival the likes of Planescape: Torment. But then goes on to admit in the comments that he has never played PS:T.

Gaming Journalism

 

[Azarkon]

Who the fuck still reads reviews not from trusted sources like ... the Codex forums?

:russiastronk:

 

[GrainWetski]

Gaming Journalism

Just a correction, it's actually the guy that reviewed it for PC Gamer.

 

[CptMace]

the writing and story rival the likes of Planescape: Torment.

 

[Bubbles]

That's not quite what he said:

When the story isn't pushing you to make specific decisions or bombarding you with repetitive combat, it feels like it could have rivalled the likes of Baldur's Gate 2 or Planescape: Torment.

http://www.pcgamer.com/tyranny-review/

He then made the following comments when people asked him about the comparison:

I never completely beat BGII and I was like 14 the last time I played it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5c8172/tyranny_review_thread/d9upeyp/

I've dabbled in it [PS:T] over the years but my god is that game demanding, and it hasn't aged as well unfortunately. I still think about forcing myself through it every few years though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/5c8172/tyranny_review_thread/d9upc03/

It's my understanding that this is normal for the industry.

 

[Bleed the Man]

These people obviously didn't even touch the game long enough to find something to criticize.

IIRC the lead producer of PoE (forgot his name, Adam something, Brennecke?) said in TotalBiscuit's GOG stream of the game that the big majority of the reviewers didn't get past Act 2 before publishing their reviews of the game.
In the PCGamesN review of Tyranny the reviewer also says the writing and story rival the likes of Planescape: Torment. But then goes on to admit in the comments that he has never played PS:T.

Are you sure you understood that well? Reviewers might be shit, but usually that's related with a lack of critical analysis more than not even even finishing the games they're reviewing.

Yes I am sure of that. I don't remember if he said "Act 2" but I do remember that he said they did not finish the game.
I don't know why that surprises you. I'd be willing to bet that more than half of reviewers never finish the games they're tasked with reviewing because of having to meet deadlines/they don't even care about the game at all.

I have to admit, I'm very unfamiliar with most review sites, but since this september I'm a collaborator of a spanish gaming magazine (Meristation). Tyranny has been my first review there (next is Dungeon Rats), and by the time I met the deadline, I told them that I had only completed it once, and they still gave me more time to see the reactivity from other paths.

That's why I sounded suprised, even the RPG guy there that would have reviewed Tyranny did the Dishonored 2 review and still put a "review in progress" without score despite being almost at the end of the game.