Development Info Underrail 2: Infusion Dev Log #9: New Combat System

[Diggfinger]

You men are deluded. This looks and sounds phenomenal. The importance of initiative is absolutely the biggest issue with Underrail's combat, and this should take care of that very elegantly. I'm curious if this change of system will lead to a revisiting of cooldowns - seems like there could be potential for more creative action time-related limitations with this system, which would be cool.

In any case, this is elegant because contrary to what seems to be the prevailing sentiment ITT, it doesn't require a complete redesign of the systems. I'm struggling to think of any of the old abilities or feats that can't be converted very straightforwardly. All the different playstyles that the first game supported should still work, and the glorious Underrail experience of everyone chucking a ton of overpowered shit at each other should still be possible.


All this is what I WOULD be saying, if I didn't remember what Styg did to Quick Tinkering. No purchase. I do not forget, I do not forgive.

Glad to see Styg and Mac_Orion back in business.

Really excited to hear and see more of this new title!

 

[ciox]

FYI like the dev log says, during combat some actions can happen simultaneously with enemy actions, while some actions can "block" the passing of time until they're completed.
You can see a blocking action in the video, enemies are not allowed to interrupt the player character while he's healing, but they all freak out immediately after: https://youtu.be/HmPsCNMuUg8?t=1271
Probably most actions that are supposed to help you survive or take less damage are gonna be blocking actions, so that there's a chance they actually do anything.

 

[Infinitron]

FYI like the dev log says, during combat some actions can happen simultaneously with enemy actions, while some actions can "block" the passing of time until they're completed.
You can see a blocking action in the video, enemies are not allowed to interrupt the player character while he's healing, but they all freak out immediately after: https://youtu.be/HmPsCNMuUg8?t=1271
Probably most actions that are supposed to help you survive or take less damage are gonna be blocking actions, so that there's a chance they actually do anything.

I don't think any enemy action can be simultaneous with the player, although their actions can be simultaneous with each other.

 

[ciox]

FYI like the dev log says, during combat some actions can happen simultaneously with enemy actions, while some actions can "block" the passing of time until they're completed.
You can see a blocking action in the video, enemies are not allowed to interrupt the player character while he's healing, but they all freak out immediately after: https://youtu.be/HmPsCNMuUg8?t=1271
Probably most actions that are supposed to help you survive or take less damage are gonna be blocking actions, so that there's a chance they actually do anything.

I don't think any enemy action can be simultaneous with the player, although their actions can be simultaneous with each other.

Did you see what happens after the healing part? The player is being attacked during the burst's channeling time, and while shooting. Then he literally dies mid-burst and only one bullet comes out instead of three.

 

[shihonage]

The question is not whether this combat will effectively work; the question is whether the combat model is simple and consistent enough to be understood by the player so they can plan around it.

 

[Rarre]

Loved underrail and expedition but not finished them...
The video looks great but I think the new combat puts the multiplayer possibility as an absolute nono, many people will disagree but I enjoyed a lot games like BG2 multiplayer mode ...
Would play It anyway when finished... In 8 years?

 

[ArchAngel]

Yep, I’m quite hyped for the new combat mechanics. TB while being generally ok (a lesser evil I’d say) always stroke me as something very abstract and unrealistic i.e. it’s impossible to conceptualize how a TB fight would look like in real time. For example I’m getting out of my cover to throw a grenade standing exposed before three enemies with guns facing me and nobody cares to shoot at me (overwatch aside). Yeah it’s an abstraction and all, but it’s kind of a bit dumb.

I guess this is what Styg thought too, hence this change. Obviously it’s an abstraction too, but more clever and rooted in reality having time as its primary dimension.

It is not hard to conceptualize how TB fight looks, just watch John Wick movies. He has 2x more AP and always win initiative. Sometimes also gets double turns.

 

[ArchAngel]

Styg I see you are not up to how modern games work. Where is the dodge button for U2?

 

[Daedalos]

Man this looks so fucking cool. Can't wait for it!

This is what I envisioned modern day fallout 1-2 would look like, sort of.
Cool stuff, new things are alwayas scary, but I think the combat systems could totally work.

 

[Shaki]

I just really want it to release before I get old and die, and I don't think implementing a whole new combat system will help with that.