World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Rean]

It's certainly not in my particular mountain tribe.

What country?

 

[Whimper]

It's certainly not in my particular mountain tribe.

What country?

Don't mean to be cause offense but I'm not discussing myself, you'll have to take my word for that, or not, as you prefer. Do you think it is a common state of affairs throughout the world, or mainly in the west, or perhaps in English speaking countries? You mention a hill tribe in Mongolia but I'm quite confident that in all of Mongolia, and indeed all of central Asia this is not a big issue. Of course I don't have any statistics to point to it's just a belief.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Saw Cara tweeted this recently, thought you guys may find it interesting.

It sounds like misdirection to me, given the colossal fuckup of which she was a part. It's always easier to point fingers instead of accepting one's own responsibility, no matter how small.

 

[Rean]

Don't mean to be cause offense but I'm not discussing myself, you'll have to take my word for that, or not, as you prefer.

It's sad you don't wish to divulge for whatever reason, but it's fine. We can still be friends. At least you don't have a private profile so I can still visit from time to time.
The problem here is not merely the trannies and propaganda, but the scale of what you might consider degenerate propaganda or not, which is why I asked you that question.
I personally have some very strict morality standards that even if we went back in time 100 years would not be satisfied.

Do you think it is a common state of affairs throughout the world, or mainly in the west, or perhaps in English speaking countries? You mention a hill tribe in Mongolia but I'm quite confident that in all of Mongolia, and indeed all of central Asia this is not a big issue. Of course I don't have any statistics to point to it's just a belief.

It's unfortunately not only contained to English-speaking countries. Degeneracy is an unfortunate, unavoidable result of human nature, which is why it can never be contained, only delayed. If someone complains about being victim, an average human's natural response is to try to help. That is the psychological root of all this.

Countries like Netherlands were flaunting degeneracy on their streets long before others caught on.

And, to go even farther back and showcase how not even Asia is safe: Japan's complete submission to the US post WW2 resulted in a vast percentage of their men being raised to be extremely submissive, in stark contrast to what they were like before. They're still feeling this today- and, if anything, it's gotten even worse.

 

[Whimper]

Don't mean to be cause offense but I'm not discussing myself, you'll have to take my word for that, or not, as you prefer.

It's sad you don't wish to divulge for whatever reason, but it's fine. We can still be friends. At least you don't have a private profile so I can still visit from time to time.
The problem here is not merely the trannies and propaganda, but the scale of what you might consider degenerate propaganda or not, which is why I asked you that question.
I personally have some very strict morality standards that even if we went back in time 100 years would not be satisfied.

Do you think it is a common state of affairs throughout the world, or mainly in the west, or perhaps in English speaking countries? You mention a hill tribe in Mongolia but I'm quite confident that in all of Mongolia, and indeed all of central Asia this is not a big issue. Of course I don't have any statistics to point to it's just a belief.

It's unfortunately not only contained to English-speaking countries. Degeneracy is an unfortunate, unavoidable result of human nature, which is why it can never be contained, only delayed. If someone complains about being victim, an average human's natural response is to try to help. That is the psychological root of all this.

Countries like Netherlands were flaunting degeneracy on their streets long before others caught on.

And, to go even farther back and showcase how not even Asia is safe: Japan's complete submission to the US post WW2 resulted in a vast percentage of their men being raised to be extremely submissive, in stark contrast to what they were like before. They're still feeling this today- and, if anything, it's gotten even worse.

If we're discussing general softening of moral fibre then I agree with you, I think promiscuity, drug use, people not caring for their elder relatives, losing cultural identity, deliberate unemployment &c are big issues all over the world. When it comes to people claiming to be the opposite sex and spelling Fiona as Feeona I often suspect that this is done as some sort of teen rebellion. Your uncle is talking about how good national service is or how war hardens up youth or something, you could always tell him that you'd like to be called Feeona from now on, there'd be a certain satisfaction there.

Whether it's true (that they want to be the other sex) or not it certainly does irritate people, and they would like that I think. Japan, Korea and Germany had a lot of demoralising propaganda pushed onto them, Korea wasn't even on the Axis' side, they've all been damaged I think. The Korea's most of all.

 

[Roguey]

Saw Cara tweeted this recently, thought you guys may find it interesting.

Hardsuit Labs didn't even make games with stories before Bloodlines, nor will they now that their momentary lapse of reason has passed.

 

[Rean]

Whether it's true (that they want to be the other sex) or not it certainly does irritate people, and they would like that I think.

Alas, this is not true- they're not doing it as some mere rebellion, they get massive support. I really wish it was that simple.
It might have irritated more about 20 years ago, but it only irritates you and me and all other rational people now. There's not that many of us, but there's more and more that are just simply 'ok with it'. This is the result of them pushing it harder and harder while we just play defense. The end result? The masses eat it up and accept it all as 'the new normal'.

 

[Rean]

...Man, vampires used to be fuckin' cool.

 

[GrafvonMoltke]

It's certainly not in my particular mountain tribe.

Nor mine.

You mention a hill tribe in Mongolia but I'm quite confident that in all of Mongolia, and indeed all of central Asia this is not a big issue. Of course I don't have any statistics to point to it's just a belief.

It is indeed not a big issue here, no matter how hard some recently western-educated graduates want to make it to be.

 

[Harthwain]

When it comes to people claiming to be the opposite sex and spelling Fiona as Feeona I often suspect that this is done as some sort of teen rebellion. Your uncle is talking about how good national service is or how war hardens up youth or something, you could always tell him that you'd like to be called Feeona from now on, there'd be a certain satisfaction there.

Don't be retarded. If your uncle says the war is good, because it "hardens youth" then your uncle wasn't serving during the war or was lucky to be in high enough position to be removed from it. My grandfather did fight in WW2 (on the front lines) and he made it clear the war is hell and shouldn't be lusted for.

 

[Rean]

It is indeed not a big issue here, no matter how hard some recently western-educated graduates want to make it to be.

And that is how the threat grows. Complacency is a disease.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

She's right.
Doesn't change the fact she's a waste of oxygen.

A game is not its story, if it is, then it's probably not a game.

Fuck the "all important narrative department," Jesus. How pretentious.

She's an idiotette.

 

[0wca]

So what's even happening with this game now? Last I heard they scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

Sounds like development hell to me. Anyone got a TL;DR?

 

[Wunderbar]

So what's even happening with this game now? Last I heard they scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

Sounds like development hell to me. Anyone got a TL;DR?

They scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

 

[0wca]

So what's even happening with this game now? Last I heard they scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

Sounds like development hell to me. Anyone got a TL;DR?

They scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

Lol so status quo then.

 

[SmoothPimp]

Is digitally de-aged Christina Hendricks still a model for NPC / cinematics?

 

[santino27]

So what's even happening with this game now? Last I heard they scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

Sounds like development hell to me. Anyone got a TL;DR?

That's about it. They haven't announced who the new developer is, but presumably they are starting over almost from scratch.

 

[Sarathiour]

Saw Cara tweeted this recently, thought you guys may find it interesting.

He's wrong and she's right, because she's talking about narrative, where the imbecile above is only talking about the story.

Nobody goes to make a movie "cinematography first", they go in with the script.

I only have basic knowledge about cinema, but i'm nearly sure he's wrong, i could ask a few passionate that i know about it.

 

[PlacidDragon]

So what's even happening with this game now? Last I heard they scrapped the core team and were rebuilding the game from scratch.

Sounds like development hell to me. Anyone got a TL;DR?

Short version, we dont really know. They've shut down the official forum, and their official World of Darkness Youtube channel hosted by Outstar doesn't mention BL 2 either. Paradox confirms that they have already signed a new developer in their "earnings call" report (February 2021) (Source), but it has been complete radio silence since then. I think its safe to say that whatever is going on, they must have hit some kind of snag.

 

[Harthwain]

I think its safe to say that whatever is going on, they must have hit some kind of snag.

I find it likely the new team needs time to make a game in the first place, so there is little to talk about at this point.

 

[gerey]

I can already predict Bloodlines 2 2.0 will be as equally shit, if not as equally hilarious, as Bloodlines 2 1.0.

Paradox have proven themselves to be incompetent, both as developers and publishers, so whatever alternative assembly of chimps they have found to unfuck this project, they are going to be just as incompetent and just as politically compromised as the first group.

 

[Dexter]

Saw Cara tweeted this recently, thought you guys may find it interesting.

She's right.
Doesn't change the fact she's a waste of oxygen.

Tell that to Super Mario, Tetris, Mario Kart, Pac-Man, Wii Sports, MineCraft, all the "Sports, Sports, Sports" games, successful Multiplayer titles like Counter Strike or Fortnite and a very large percent of best selling/most successful video game franchises of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

The very fact that they hired her in any "narrative" capacity in the first place, attests that they didn't give a shit about "narrative" from the very beginning.

 

[Justicar]

DEAD GAME

 

[PlacidDragon]

I find it likely the new team needs time to make a game in the first place, so there is little to talk about at this point.

Sure, but its 5 months ago. Unless you are starting from scratch (which they according to Paradox were not, they had "started a collaboration with a new studio partner to finish work on the game"), the new studio should long since have compiled a rough outline to finish development (they should also have Alexandre Mandryka's "work notes", as he was basically trying to finishing and shipping the game the last 6 months or so that Hardsuit were the developer).

Which leads me back to "snag" (which might mean anything unforeseen up to and including starting from scratch). Time will tell

 

[Whimper]

When it comes to people claiming to be the opposite sex and spelling Fiona as Feeona I often suspect that this is done as some sort of teen rebellion. Your uncle is talking about how good national service is or how war hardens up youth or something, you could always tell him that you'd like to be called Feeona from now on, there'd be a certain satisfaction there.

Don't be retarded. If your uncle says the war is good, because it "hardens youth" then your uncle wasn't serving during the war or was lucky to be in high enough position to be removed from it. My grandfather did fight in WW2 (on the front lines) and he made it clear the war is hell and shouldn't be lusted for.

It was an example of someone's uncle saying saying something along those lines, however, there are people who have liked war let's look at Adrian Carton de Wiart for example who fought in three wars in total and two world wars. He was seriously injured on a number of occasions and apparently rather liked war. Not everybody is your grandfather.