World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

[Storyfag]

Even if some local prince went insane and okayed diablerie, it would never be allowed by the justicars and the inner circle.

Wait until you remember what LaCroix intended to do with the antediluvian in the sarcophagus.

Wait until you remember that the Camarilla replaced LaCroix with Strauss the second they got wind of this.

Wait till you find out that the eldest Methuselahs can no longer survive on mortal blood, but only on cainite vitae. This means the Camarilla's upper echelons are diablerists one and all.

 

[Harthwain]

Even if some local prince went insane and okayed diablerie, it would never be allowed by the justicars and the inner circle.

Wait until you remember what LaCroix intended to do with the antediluvian in the sarcophagus.

Wait until you remember that the Camarilla replaced LaCroix with Strauss the second they got wind of this.

Wait till you find out that the eldest Methuselahs can no longer survive on mortal blood, but only on cainite vitae. This means the Camarilla's upper echelons are diablerists one and all.

Depends. If regular vampires have to stop from drinking before they kill a human, the same can be said about the elders drinking from their fellow vampires. Drinking the blood alone wouldn't be enough to be a diablerist. Additionally, if I am not mistaken, it should also be possible to supply blood indirectly (the same way you can use blood bags in Redemption and Bloodlines to replenish your reserves), thereby removing the risk of drinking until death altogether.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

One explanation why TCR"s protagonist looks so modern could be that diablerie went wrong, and the elder assumed control of thinbloods body.

This theory was made a dozend times already, and if that is supposed to be the big twist, its about as successful as the ones in "The Rings of Power"!

Phyre is thinblood that identify as ellder vampire. Her pronous are power/full.

 

[The President]

If taking Fabien’s body over was a thing you’d only be able to play as male. I don’t think they introduced a female version of Fabien. Though I suppose it’s possible they will.

 

[Skinwalker]

Even if some local prince went insane and okayed diablerie, it would never be allowed by the justicars and the inner circle.

Wait until you remember what LaCroix intended to do with the antediluvian in the sarcophagus.

Wait until you remember that the Camarilla replaced LaCroix with Strauss the second they got wind of this.

Wait till you find out that the eldest Methuselahs can no longer survive on mortal blood, but only on cainite vitae. This means the Camarilla's upper echelons are diablerists one and all.

Yes, but the Inner Circle consists of elders, not methuselah.

 

[Vulpes]

IIRC the HSL version involved the thin blood committing diablerie against the vampire that sired them because they had a blood hunt called against them. Apparently that is okay with the Cam in that certain circumstance.

It absolutely fucking isn't. The whole point of the Camarilla is a faux-civilized society that really only exists to protect the elders from those lower on the pyramid. Even if some local prince went insane and okayed diablerie, it would never be allowed by the justicars and the inner circle.

Incorrect. It's not illegal to be a diablerist in of itself, only to commit unsanctioned diablerie. Diablerie committed against someone on the Inner Circle's Red List has always been A-Ok. The Kindred who hunt those Anathema down are known as Alastors and they've also been known to be rewarded with sanctioned diablerie for their efforts.

As for Blood Hunts, diablerie has sometimes been allowed as motivation to get it done, depending on the target's power, popularity, severity of their crimes, etc. Few would bother going after a strong Brujah that's well-liked among the local Kindred, but if you're legally allowed to diablerize him? Then that's a whole different story. There aren't many who would pass on an opportunity like that. The problem with HSL's plot is that not only are thinbloods typically not strong enough to defeat such a vampire (or even subdue their soul for that matter), but they aren't part of the Camarilla to begin with. Their rules, regulations and traditions don't apply to thinbloods. You're not a real vampire in their eyes. Their laws will not protect you and you don't get the right to participate in a Blood Hunt.

One explanation why TCR"s protagonist looks so modern could be that diablerie went wrong, and the elder assumed control of thinbloods body.

If you're talking about the speculation that Fabien is actually the elder and Phyre failed to fully consume him, it makes little sense given what we've been told about the characters so far. The devs said that Fabien would be explaining the modern nights to Phyre while Phyre explains to him vampire lore and traditions. If the theory is true, then why isn't this the other way around?

 

[Storyfag]

Depends. If regular vampires have to stop from drinking before they kill a human, the same can be said about the elders drinking from their fellow vampires. Drinking the blood alone wouldn't be enough to be a diablerist. Additionally, if I am not mistaken, it should also be possible to supply blood indirectly (the same way you can use blood bags in Redemption and Bloodlines to replenish your reserves), thereby removing the risk of drinking until death altogether.

But leaving the donor alive means becoming blood bound to him.

 

[Storyfag]

One explanation why TCR"s protagonist looks so modern could be that diablerie went wrong, and the elder assumed control of thinbloods body.

If you're talking about the speculation that Fabien is actually the elder and Phyre failed to fully consume him, it makes little sense given what we've been told about the characters so far. The devs said that Fabien would be explaining the modern nights to Phyre while Phyre explains to him vampire lore and traditions. If the theory is true, then why isn't this the other way around?

No, he means that the thinblood Fabien attempted to diablerise the elder Phyre, but failed to overpower Phyres soul so completely, that now Phyre controls Fabiens body.

 

[Skinwalker]

One explanation why TCR"s protagonist looks so modern could be that diablerie went wrong, and the elder assumed control of thinbloods body.

If you're talking about the speculation that Fabien is actually the elder and Phyre failed to fully consume him, it makes little sense given what we've been told about the characters so far. The devs said that Fabien would be explaining the modern nights to Phyre while Phyre explains to him vampire lore and traditions. If the theory is true, then why isn't this the other way around?

No, he means that the thinblood Fabien attempted to diablerise the elder Phyre, but failed to overpower Phyres soul so completely, that now Phyre control Fabiens body.

No, he means that the thinblood TCR attempted to diablerise the elder Bloodlines, but failed to overpower Troika's soul so completely, that now their shitty walking simulator will be cancelled.

 

[Skinwalker]

Even if some local prince went insane and okayed diablerie, it would never be allowed by the justicars and the inner circle.

Wait until you remember what LaCroix intended to do with the antediluvian in the sarcophagus.

Wait until you remember that the Camarilla replaced LaCroix with Strauss the second they got wind of this.

Wait till you find out that the eldest Methuselahs can no longer survive on mortal blood, but only on cainite vitae. This means the Camarilla's upper echelons are diablerists one and all.

Yes, but the Inner Circle consists of elders, not methuselah.

Yes, this is true. We get the identities of the members of the Camarilla Inner Circle in that Final Nights novel with Beckett as the protagonist, like the "Queen of London" and the fake Hardenstradt, and they're all centuries-old elders who could still drink human blood, up until the start of Gehenna when all vampires suddenly started requiring more potent vitae, and then they rounded up all the neonates to diablerize them.

Millennia-old methuselah don't really fit into the Camarilla (or Sabbat) power structure, except as outside manipulators perhaps.

 

[Fedora Master]

You know what? I recommend anyone who wants a taste of TCRs writing try Still Wakes the Deep. Within the first 5 minutes you get an elderly female engineer on an oil rig in the 70s AND a "Fucking Prick!" comment towards a Britons First poster.

 

[The President]

If this game was going to be cancelled it would have happened already. This game will be released, it’s just a question of quality at this point.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

One explanation why TCR"s protagonist looks so modern could be that diablerie went wrong, and the elder assumed control of thinbloods body.

If you're talking about the speculation that Fabien is actually the elder and Phyre failed to fully consume him, it makes little sense given what we've been told about the characters so far. The devs said that Fabien would be explaining the modern nights to Phyre while Phyre explains to him vampire lore and traditions. If the theory is true, then why isn't this the other way around?

No, he means that the thinblood Fabien attempted to diablerise the elder Phyre, but failed to overpower Phyres soul so completely, that now Phyre controls Fabiens body.

This

 

[Harthwain]

Depends. If regular vampires have to stop from drinking before they kill a human, the same can be said about the elders drinking from their fellow vampires. Drinking the blood alone wouldn't be enough to be a diablerist. Additionally, if I am not mistaken, it should also be possible to supply blood indirectly (the same way you can use blood bags in Redemption and Bloodlines to replenish your reserves), thereby removing the risk of drinking until death altogether.

But leaving the donor alive means becoming blood bound to him.

I forgot about that. Good point.

 

[Tyranicon]

Judging by what I've read about Still Wakes The Deep, I actually think this game might have serviceable writing. It probably won't have the same style and vibe as the original Bloodlines. TCR seem to care less about trying to achieve that than Hardsuit did.

If I had to predict, I'd guess that the game's major flaws will be: 1) Jankiness and 2) that it'll feel constrained, linear and just not much of an RPG.

You know what? I recommend anyone who wants a taste of TCRs writing try Still Wakes the Deep. Within the first 5 minutes you get an elderly female engineer on an oil rig in the 70s AND a "Fucking Prick!" comment towards a Britons First poster.

Does Still Wakes the Deep and VtMB2 share any writers? I thought they were completely different teams with at best, some high-level oversight from the same management.

 

[S.torch]

Like what?

Like the cab driver being Cain himself performing some voodoo tricks to make the protagonist stronger and Romero being able to have epic sex with the female main character.

Look at Smiling Jack, he's a middle-aged sailor from the 1600s and yet he dresses like a 1960s biker.

But Jack looks like a badass motorcycle rider taken out from a punk pub. And that's make all the difference.

However, I know this might be a controversial take, I still don't think Rik's soundtrack would've been all that good.

That guy was the only guarantee music wasn't going to suck and now he's gone.

The fun part is that Paradox could have easily got punk and metalheads to do the music for Bloodlines 2. Cristina Scabbia (the singer of BL1 credit song) was just commissioned by a boomer shooter to do the soundtrack of their game recently.



That would be if they really cared about this game being similar to the original Bloodlines, which they don't.

 

[Storyfag]

Like the cab driver being Cain himself performing some voodoo tricks to make the protagonist stronger and Romero being able to have epic sex with the female main character.

How does either break the lore? Caine is stated to have episodes of curiosity regatding the activities of his Childer, and unmatched control over the Blood. Hell, Tremere have rituals that temporarily manipulate the target's Generation.

As for the sex, Romero is a Ghoul, so normal mortal rules apply to him in that regard. The MC is young, so using the blush of life is likely very easy for her.

 

[Nightshade]

this game is going to be such utter shit. I cannot wait to play it!

 

[Roguey]

Does Still Wakes the Deep and VtMB2 share any writers? I thought they were completely different teams with at best, some high-level oversight from the same management.

Still Wakes the Deep was Pure Pinchbeck and he also came up with the story for BL2, though other people are handling the execution.

Of course the politics are going to be the same regardless of who's on it.

 

[Fedora Master]

Of course the politics are going to be the same regardless of who's on it.

The team seems to have very good and dedicated environment designers, if one goes by SWtD, but the gameplay and writing are utterly degenerate.
If that game is any indication, Bloodlines 2 will feature good graphics but completely tone-deaf gameplay as well as the inevitable Leftoid politics. These people clearly WANT their games to be political.

 

[Vincente]

One Scot thinking National Front supporter is a prick = inevitable left politics and "utterly degenerate" writing.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

One Scot thinking National Front supporter is a prick = inevitable left politics and "utterly degenerate" writing.

Och c'mon, it was obvious statment form Chinese Room.

 

[Grunker]

Of course the politics are going to be the same regardless of who's on it.

The team seems to have very good and dedicated environment designers, if one goes by SWtD, but the gameplay and writing are utterly degenerate.
If that game is any indication, Bloodlines 2 will feature good graphics

So far everything we’ve seen from BL2 has been non-descript, stock interiors with some blur effects. I have no faith in this game’s atmospheric graphics currently

 

[Fedora Master]

One Scot thinking National Front supporter is a prick = inevitable left politics and "utterly degenerate" writing.

A Scottish speaking African on an oil rig in the North Sea in 1970.
This is pure libtard wank fantasy.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

One Scot thinking National Front supporter is a prick = inevitable left politics and "utterly degenerate" writing.

A Scottish speaking African on an oil rig in the North Sea in 1970.
This is pure libtard wank fantasy.

There is not "african language". In fact, there is three separate grups: lower niggerish, nubianbutts and kingmufasian.