Community VtmB patch controversy quelled and patch reboot

[Elwro]

This game worth picking up?

Yes. It's worth at least one replay, even.

 

[galsiah]

Why don't you folks just plug an installation wizard with lots of checkboxes into patch?
Fuck Jeanette - y/n
Move around katana - y/n
blah blah
Doesn't sound too hard after all those scripts.

That would be reasonably simple if each file were changed for only one fix/tweak. Apparently, there are a significant amount of changes which work on the same files. It'd still be possible to have an automated checkbox system, but it wouldn't be at all easy - not simply a matter of replacing the files corresponding to checked boxes.

 

[mister lamat]

dark undergarments and roofle-player are being cunts. serious and complete cunts. blow it out your asses, ladies. the former is just bitching at freeware for the sake of bitching, yet comes off all emo and pussy. the latter posted about stolen content. both of you suck. period.

for two mods your behaviour is childish and poorly thought out.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

That's R00fles-Player to you, bitch.

 

[FredFish]

for two mods your behaviour is childish and poorly thought out.

Are you sure that one of them's not a patch, though?

 

[mister lamat]

now that was witty!

 

[DarkUnderlord]

That's the thing though. I, and semingly a few others, don't want you to change anything based on someone's feedback. Just do the typo's. Just fix the quests that are there.

But what would be the point in that?

It'd be about keeping your shit out of it and letting me play the game Troika released without those few annoying glitches. As I said, if after that, I decide that hey, seeing a new dog character model and some new weapons and backgrounds and shit that you've had to re-balance to make work, then fine. That's how "fan patching Bloodlines" started. The problem now is it's morphed into who can write the wittiest new dialogue.

There are a few people who put a lot of work into something, trying to make/improve RPGs and are kind enough to let other people try them out for free.

If someone dumps a turd you didn't want onto your doorstep for free, I suppose you thank them for the kind offer?

There's a very simple concept at play here. Some of the people who have Bloodlines just want a patch without extra shit. No weapon changes. No extra models. No extra dialogue. No re-balancing. Is that so hard to grasp? Just make the broken quests that are there work properly. I don't want to play through some kid's mod and have all the changes another group of 12 year olds thought they should add thrown at me. That's why there was a need for a "Fan Patch" in the first place.

You don't encourage them, you don't tell them how they could do better

Funny, I thought "telling them how to do better" is what we were doing?

Why don't you folks just plug an installation wizard with lots of checkboxes into patch?

All that's needed are two mods. The first "base" which just corrects broken things. The second can build on that all they want with all the extra shit they care to add.

It means nothing to me. What is important to me is that the hard work of someone who tried to improve a game for free isn't invalidated for nonsense. You can't pick and chose what you think is a valid fix and what is a mod. Wesp took offense at the term True Patch, you perpetuated the situation, slighted him and his hard work, invalidated it, and picked sides. Bottom line.

Oh please. Cry me a fucking river. Wesp decided to have a cry because someone called their mod "True Patch"? Funny, I didn't see that happen. All I saw was Wesp, quit rightly, pointing out that most of the "True Patch" was his work and that he wasn't credited as was agreed. You're the only one here who's kicked up a stink about what the new mod is called. No-one else gives a shit. Not even Wesp. Which is curious, given he's posting here and seems quite capable of speaking for himself.

No matter how much you dislike the changes in the original patch, your news posting was picking sides and invalidating his hard work and slighting him, which is fucked up.

Role-Player's news post was a complete copy and paste of the shit Tessera spewed. How is that picking sides?

I've really tried hard to be reasonable and adult about this, a lot harder than usual.

... and then:

You can keep being a blind, dramatic crybaby bitch spouting gibberish, or you can grow some nut-hair and cowboy up and admit you were wrong from the start. You went about the whole thing wrong.

... and then:

I'm sorry role-player and mathboy for the mean and hurtful things I said. It was wrong and childish of me.

Do you think anyone here thinks you're being serious, even for a second?

 

[mister lamat]

suck it the fuck up, pussy. offering to host stolen content was a complete trash move. you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[RGE]

But I think about raising the Seduction conditions for this so people who are not playing that kind of role won't stumble over it. What do you think?

I think that Seduction feat 3 is quite low, but on the other hand it's at the beginning of the game, and given that the Seduction skill isn't used for anything else, and the Appearance ability is also not used for anything else, a non-seducer is probably going to have only Appearance 1, which is still two points away from Jeanette's demands. So it's a toss-up as far as I'm concerned.

And while I could see how Jeanette would be slutty enough to sleep with the PC on their first 'date', perhaps you could also see how during the struggle-scene Therese would probably not listen to someone whom Jeanette just slept with? And she gets to know everything about what Jeanette has done, doesn't she? And she seems to get really upset about stuff like that. At least with the art gallery you didn't necessarily know what you were doing.

 

[Roqua]

Oh please. Cry me a fucking river. Wesp decided to have a cry because someone called their mod "True Patch"? Funny, I didn't see that happen. All I saw was Wesp, quit rightly, pointing out that most of the "True Patch" was his work and that he wasn't credited as was agreed. You're the only one here who's kicked up a stink about what the new mod is called. No-one else gives a shit. Not even Wesp. Which is curious, given he's posting here and seems quite capable of speaking for himself.

jesus, you guys really can't read can you. Here you stupid fuck. I hate doing peoples reading for them (I bolded the important part for those with mental retardation):

Another 100 MB of fixes and restored content? I don't think so ! Anyway, I have nothing against Acrimonious or an alternative bug-fixes-only patch and I even renewed my offer to use my patch as a base as long as the "true" name is changed and the original readme with proper credits is included. Now let's see what happens...

There's a very simple concept at play here. Some of the people who have Bloodlines just want a patch without extra shit. No weapon changes. No extra models. No extra dialogue. No re-balancing. Is that so hard to grasp? Just make the broken quests that are there work properly. I don't want to play through some kid's mod and have all the changes another group of 12 year olds thought they should add thrown at me. That's why there was a need for a "Fan Patch" in the first place.

yes, you want just bug-fixes. The True Patch offers the added-in backgrounds and other things that are not bug-fixes. One person's bug is another person's feature. If I were to create a patch for the FO games I would make one that removed what I feel to be a bug, and thats being able to save in combat. Is it a bug? It leads to a system exploit, so yes in my book. But maybe not in yours. Role-player likes the added and restored content, and would even like the end of the game rebalnced to solve quests by dialgue, because thats a valid complaint. Only complaints he finds valid should be added into a mod.

And you are wrong because if Wesp is making the "patch" he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. He could add in prancy ponies and tell everyone to shut the fuck up and love them if the want the bugs his patch fixes fixed.

Here's some advice...shut the fuck up with your gibberish and learn how to think and read.

Roleplayer:

I'll take the high road since you are god awful at name calling, and lets face it, I won the name calling war before it even started.

Wesp recognizes his patch is not only a patch but also a mod

FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't recognize the True Patch is a mod.

Again that was the name chosen by its developer. This wasn't the case of the patch being called "Acrimonious' Supah Dupah Patch" and me calling it "OMFGTRUEPATCH". The patch is labelled and distributed as "True Patch". Deal with it.

Nice Facts!

However, it has come to my attention the existence of a true Bloodlines patch that finally does what a patch should do

There was no situation until you started blowing this out of proportion. There's no slight, no poor judgement, no insult, no falsehood about saying what Wesp's patch contains

For those who can't read or remember what they wrote:

While it's always nice to see fan communities support developers, the fan efforts of the Bloodlines community have mostly been unsactioned modifications and arbitrary changes to the game with some bug fixes thrown in. However, it has come to my attention the existence of a true Bloodlines patch that finally does what a patch should do - stick to fixing the bugs and restoring content. Created by a VtmB fan, Acrimonious, and hosted by Tessera at her his webspace, the patch aims to restore Troika's game to its full glory. This True Patch is currently at version 4.02AT and you can find more about it here:

I pray you improve on reading comprehension and remembering what you write comprehension.

Wesp recognizes his patch is not only a patch but also a mod. If you have an issue with that, then take it up to him because I'm only pointing out what it is.

Praise Jesus! I see the light.

You're the one who keeps coming up with the same idiotic semantics and accusations, kid.

And you are the one with zero comprehension. Explain your contradicting views, and your absolute blindness to the fact your post was a slight and also had you picking sides. I keep saying the same thing over and over in the hopes it will finally penatrate into your big, thick, retard, self-rightous, retarded mongoloid skull.

It's funny that since your entire point was shot down you're now trying to claim you weren't the only one to "fuck up" in an attempt to minimize your self-appointed retardness.

No its not, he tried to stay true to what he believes troika's intent was, and uses the hints the game offers as a guideline, as he explained in numerous posts. I thought I read on rpgwatch a while ago that he was a VtM WoD fan, or the original guy was, I was wrong, but my point isn't. One person's bug is another person's feature. You can't restore cut content or fix dialgue without trying to guess at what the devlopers intent was. The game was a buggy-rushed mess, and the end was obvioulsy thrown together, you like bug fixes, and in essence people trying to fix the game, but without moving any items or other nonsense. You have no consistent platform. Your opinion isn't law.

Reread my posts and tell me my core points have changed. I was wrong in one regard and admitted as soon as I found out, like a man, and continue to admit it. But my core points (patch/mod, and fucking wesp for no reason) haven't.

Darkwhatever has a consistent platform: only bug fixes for a patch. You don't. And you make stupid and unfounded statements like

But it's nonetheless a good starting point to people new to the game or for those looking to find out how the game was meant to be originally.

The game isn't how Troika originally ment it to be. That is fact. Troika did not intend to release a buggy, unfinished mess. There is a big difference between saying "meant to be originally" or "included originally." One is true, the other false. Look at your verbage in the news posts. Arbitrary changes? have you talked to wesp about how arbitrary they are? Again, one person's bug is another person's feature. Unsactioned modifications? Who could sanction them? You? Are you the sactioner? Was the backgrounds an unsactioned modification? Yes. No one sanctioned it. yet restoring cut content (unfinished content that needs the person's guesses at intent) can and should be part of a patch in your opinion. Oh, there is that word. Opinion. Your opinion means shit since you didn't get off your ass and make the patch you wanted.

Terresa stole the work of Wesp, didn't credit him for it, and picked a name that pissed him off even though they wouldn't have the True patch (gutted wesp patch) if it wasn't for him making it. You are 100% on the side of wrong. You know you fucked up. You know you are wrong. Ask wesp if he takes offense at yoour post that slams him and sides with someone who stole his work and didn't credit him.

Last time, kid, and this time it better stick: I made a news post about a new Bloodlines patch, which has a different set of goals than Wesp's modpatchingie. I pointed out just where they were different so that people could decide which would better suit their needs and tastes.

Last time, kid, and this time it better stick: read your fucking post, fuck head. Your post perpetuated the insult, and also failed to credit Wesp.

You're free to keep insisting on the same bullshit and accusing me of "taking sides" which, not only is idiotic considering I've installed Wesp's mod on a previous Bloodlines run and have yet to install Acrimonious' patch, it's also complete and utter teenage nerd rage.

Well, kid, that hurt my feelings and all, and you installing wesp's patch is amazing and all, seeing as its been the only choice pre-one week ago, and it's also amazing you didn't hurry up and install the One True Patch on the day it was released since it is Wesp's patch, shit head, and you already installed it before, you know what it does.

Look at Dhruin's post at rpgwatch. Thats how you don't pick sides. You really need to open your eyes and grow-up some. Just admit you fucked up. Be a man for once in your life. You are at a crossroads, and you have the chance to do what you know is right, or continue being a retard. Its up to you. I'm going to stop posting about this, if you want to continue being blind and ignorant, there is nothing I can do, and unless you and your buddies get better at insulting, I really don't have much to be worried about if you come back at me with your gibberish.

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[psycojester]

If someone dumps a turd you didn't want onto your doorstep for free, I suppose you thank them for the kind offer?

Okay this is the kind of shit that baffles me. The game doesn't go out and automatically patch to Wesps latest version. Your actively going out and eating the turd underlord and then whining when its too nutty for your discerning tastes.

There's a very simple concept at play here. Some of the people who have Bloodlines just want a patch without extra shit. No weapon changes. No extra models. No extra dialogue. No re-balancing. Is that so hard to grasp? Just make the broken quests that are there work properly. I don't want to play through some kid's mod and have all the changes another group of 12 year olds thought they should add thrown at me. That's why there was a need for a "Fan Patch" in the first place.

IF YOU DON' T WANT TO PLAY IT DON'T FUCKING DOWNLOAD IT! HOW HARD IS THIS VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT TO GRASP! USE THE OFFICIALS PATCHES AND STOP WHINING ABOUT WHAT YOUR BEING OFFERED FOR FREE!

As i see it if anybody wants to bitch please sent Wesp 20 bucks and then feel free to unload your steaming rage on his chest, until then you just being a snotty little child who's complaining about the gift he's been given.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

You really need to open your eyes and grow-up some.

Huh-uh. I guess I should be as mature as you and keep posting 10 paragraps with the same argument per paragraph in a clear "hey, my arguments are nothing but conjecture and already shot down but I bet I can still annoy you if I make it seem I don't read whatever it is you're posting which definitely doesn't make me a pissant troll - so says my mommy!" attitude.

Kid, I've made my case and it's there for all to see. Feel free to keep posting the same abuse and libel because it's clear that's all you can do when you've got no arguments.

 

[psycojester]

we're currently having a go at underlord not you please try to keep up

 

[dagorkan]

How come Roqua isn't a moderator but Dark_Underlord and Roleplayer are? Probably he wouldn't want it but someone fucked up at the top.

 

[Keender_surprise]

yes, you want just bug-fixes. The True Patch offers the added-in backgrounds and other things that are not bug-fixes Role-player likes the added and restored content, and would even like the end of the game rebalnced to solve quests by dialgue, because thats a valid complaint. Only complaints he finds valid should be added into a mod.

Backgrounds were already implemented by Troika code-wise. they weren't included because they were too buggy and Troika didn't have the time to fix them up. Putting it back into the game is restoration, not modding. The same goes for any dialogue that Troika had already written and done voiceovers for but for some reason didn't implement. No artistic license has been taken with Troika's original work. This isn't the same as having some mod maker write up new dialogue or change the names of the weapons in the game to go along with the bug fixes and then calling it a 'patch'. I, and I suspect a large number of the vampire fanbase have a problem with the latter approach but not with the former.

I've seen Wesp's mods in the past, and given the changelog I've never bothered to install it. I would fully support a proper restoration, but I do agree with the sentiment that if Wesp's work is used then it should be properly credited.

 

[Amasius]

It's not only Wesps work but also from some other guys. Thats why he wanted that Mr. Drama-queens "true-patch" include his complete readme.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

suck it the fuck up, pussy. offering to host stolen content was a complete trash move. you should be ashamed of yourself.

Do you actually have anything to contribute? For the record, the "True Patch" does have a readme file in which Wesp is credited, Wesp agreed to let them use his work and everyone knows Wesp did the work. So what's the problem, exactly? If the issue is that the readme isn't the one Wesp agreed to, you should note that when I offered to host it, I offered to include the correct readme that Wesp wanted.

If someone dumps a turd you didn't want onto your doorstep for free, I suppose you thank them for the kind offer?

Okay this is the kind of shit that baffles me. The game doesn't go out and automatically patch to Wesps latest version. Your actively going out and eating the turd underlord and then whining when its too nutty for your discerning tastes.

I've never downloaded any of Wesp's patches.

There's a very simple concept at play here. Some of the people who have Bloodlines just want a patch without extra shit. No weapon changes. No extra models. No extra dialogue. No re-balancing. Is that so hard to grasp? Just make the broken quests that are there work properly. I don't want to play through some kid's mod and have all the changes another group of 12 year olds thought they should add thrown at me. That's why there was a need for a "Fan Patch" in the first place.

IF YOU DON' T WANT TO PLAY IT DON'T FUCKING DOWNLOAD IT! HOW HARD IS THIS VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT TO GRASP! USE THE OFFICIALS PATCHES AND STOP WHINING ABOUT WHAT YOUR BEING OFFERED FOR FREE!

As i see it if anybody wants to bitch please sent Wesp 20 bucks and then feel free to unload your steaming rage on his chest, until then you just being a snotty little child who's complaining about the gift he's been given.

See, never installed it. All I said was I wanted a patch without the extra stuff that Wesp added. Wesp replied saying "What? Just fix typo's? Who wants that?". I replied that I did. So does mathboy. So do a lot of other people who have Bloodlines. That's all. I've got nothing against Wesp doing what he's doing but I'm not going to thank him and install his patch (when it was the only one available) just to get what I want fixed. I'll wait until someone comes up with a "True Patch" that doesn't add in any extra content or re-balance the game. Oh hey, I see someone's just done that...

jesus, you guys really can't read can you. Here you stupid fuck. I hate doing peoples reading for them (I bolded the important part for those with mental retardation):

Another 100 MB of fixes and restored content? I don't think so ! Anyway, I have nothing against Acrimonious or an alternative bug-fixes-only patch and I even renewed my offer to use my patch as a base as long as the "true" name is changed and the original readme with proper credits is included. Now let's see what happens...

Okay. It's clear I missed the part where Wesp stated he didn't agree to the name. That's probably why Acrimonious is starting again from scratch. It still doesn't explain why you've jumped so valiantly to his defense though when for this entire drama, Wesp has been here posting himself and hasn't said much more than that single peep about it. It also doesn't explain your "patch" vs "mod" tantrum when Wesp seems to clearly state his issue is with the word "True". You might want to address that with a few "retards" and "cocksuckers" in your next reply.

There's a very simple concept at play here. Some of the people who have Bloodlines just want a patch without extra shit. No weapon changes. No extra models. No extra dialogue. No re-balancing. Is that so hard to grasp? Just make the broken quests that are there work properly. I don't want to play through some kid's mod and have all the changes another group of 12 year olds thought they should add thrown at me. That's why there was a need for a "Fan Patch" in the first place.

yes, you want just bug-fixes. The True Patch offers the added-in backgrounds and other things that are not bug-fixes.

I know. Hence me calling the second group a bunch of retards too. Mind you, adding in some backgrounds that are already there is quite different from re-balancing and re-naming all the weapons.

And you are wrong because if Wesp is making the "patch" he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. He could add in prancy ponies and tell everyone to shut the fuck up and love them if the want the bugs his patch fixes fixed.

I never said Wesp couldn't do what he wanted. He can add in Tessera's nude mods for all I care. All I'm saying is that shit doesn't float my boat and I'm not going to heap praise on someone for doing that. You can, by all means. I'm not going to stop you.

I'm going to stop posting about this, if you want to continue being blind and ignorant, there is nothing I can do, and unless you and your buddies get better at insulting, I really don't have much to be worried about if you come back at me with your gibberish.

You? Give up? I figured you had at least another five pages of tantrums to throw. Role-Player will be so disappointed.

 

[Roqua]

Thank you for adressing what was actually said. That makes me so happy its rediculous. (cocksucker, retard, just getting it out of the way).

Okay. It's clear I missed the part where Wesp stated he didn't agree to the name. That's probably why Acrimonious is starting again from scratch. It still doesn't explain why you've jumped so valiantly to his defense though when for this entire drama, Wesp has been here posting himself and hasn't said much more than that single peep about it. It also doesn't explain your "patch" vs "mod" tantrum when Wesp seems to clearly state his issue is with the word "True". You might want to address that with a few "retards" and "cocksuckers" in your next reply.

I strongly feel, regardless of the content included, people that put a lot of hours into fixing games that are great, deserve our heartfelt thanks. I would've done the same thing if a "True Patch" came out for ToEE and peoples narrative towards Co8 was as demeaning. If you or I were to create a fan patch I'm sure there are a lot of things we'd each see as a bug, or not. People make a lot of assumtions they spout as truth, and use a lot of bunk verbage when stating opinion as fact. Its bullshit.

I defend, or help defend people that have been wronged for no good reason.

I know. Hence me calling the second group a bunch of retards too. Mind you, adding in some backgrounds that are already there is quite different from re-balancing and re-naming all the weapons.

Its still not part of the original game. The Kotor restoration prject is a mod, not a patch. Putting the whore house back in nulb and adding children back in is a mod, not a patch. A bug didn't cause it not to work, it was purposefully not added in (even if they wanted all that in but Hasbro didn't want it). Its not a bug fix, its changing the orginal game. So now we get to intent. Did Troika intend the combat to suck? Did they intend the whole last 20% of the game to suck? Did they intend to release the game broke and unfinished? They intended to finsih the game, so wesp intending to do that is perfectly in line with their intent.

I've played BL twice, once before even Troika released a patch, and then about a year ago using wesps (but there wasn;t any backgrounds yet, so maybe it was longer ago). I have a poor memory so I really don't know what was different. Now, if I were to play it again, I have a choice, which I'm thankful for. But I'd never undermind the work of anyone that worked hard for free to fix a game I enjoy, even if I don't like the changed he makes.

I never said Wesp couldn't do what he wanted. He can add in Tessera's nude mods for all I care. All I'm saying is that shit doesn't float my boat and I'm not going to heap praise on someone for doing that. You can, by all means. I'm not going to stop you.

Thats fine, and I understand 100% where you are coming from. But if you don't have praise is no reason to knock the guy, undermind him, slight him and discredit him and his hard work. And not just specifically him, but anyone who does what he does for the benfit of people like me and almost everyone else who enjoys a game that has the potential to be great but was released broken. Or is just adding to the replay value of a game.

If people had better taste they would have bought boodlines when it was first released, helping troika and getting the chance to play the game before even the devs could patch it., nevermind the fans.

You? Give up? I figured you had at least another five pages of tantrums to throw. Role-Player will be so disappointed.

You responded with actual points that showed you read and understood, so for the sake of good I responded.

 

[Roqua]

How come Roqua isn't a moderator but Dark_Underlord and Roleplayer are? Probably he wouldn't want it but someone fucked up at the top.

They know I would abuse my power, I spell poorly, and I'm too idiotic, offensive, and vulgar even by codex standards. They'd probably pick Volourn over me in a second. And I wouldn't join any site unless the accepted my definition of crpg as law, and this site is way to crpg-liberal to accept I'm right. I'll alos ban any topics on fps's or any news posts on fake rpgs unless it was clearly stated the game was an action game with rpg elements. I'm not a conformist, so I reject their hippy rpg propaganda to dilute the genre with fake.

 

[Wesp5]

Wesp and you can very well take it up to whoever decided to call it a True Patch. Again that was the name chosen by its developer.

Just to put the facts right one final time (hopefully): I didn't choose to call my patch a patch. That name was choosen by Dan Upright who started it and I continued to use it because it was already known under that name. We both thought that the "unofficial" in front would be hint enough that this was no work of Troika. On the other hand the name "true" was not chosen by the developer of the bug-fixes-only patch, he always referred to it as "bug-fixes-only" and even propose the simpler name "Basic VTMB Patch" as can be read here:

http://www.forumplanet.com/planetvampir ... 1#23065207

The "true" name was chosen by Tessera just to imply that my patches are wrong and this is not fair after using my work as a base in the first place. The same goes to choosing a higher version number to imply that the other patch is more advanced which of course it isn't especially as it actually aims to be more basic! That combined with not including proper credits and bashing my patch all the time is what is angering myself and many people!

Wesp recognizes his patch is not only a patch but also a mod. If you have an issue with that, then take it up to him because I'm only pointing out what it is.

This is not true. I recognize some of my changes may have gone too far for some people's taste but either only patches done by the developers may be called patches, then the other one is a mod as well, or it's about the things that are changed, in that case I point to Troikas own TOEE patches and feel myself well in their patch tradition. Or as Roqua put it well: "One person's bug is another person's feature."

 

[Wesp5]

Speaking of which, Wesp, how hard would it be to mod in more different ways of solving quests? One of the recurring - and valid - complaints about Bloodlines is that later areas are combat fests. Would you consider adding in other possibilities for non-combat characters?

The problem is that without fitting unused speech from some of the affected NPCs I can't do nonviolent solutions. I tried to restore as many unused lines as possible and you will hear some cool new stuff even at some of the endings in the next release but there is just not enough there to change the endgame as such. You got Yukie as a side-kick for the first endgame temple in 3.5 but this is as much as I think is restorable in the later levels.

 

[Wesp5]

There's a very simple concept at play here. Some of the people who have Bloodlines just want a patch without extra shit. No weapon changes. No extra models. No extra dialogue. No re-balancing. Is that so hard to grasp? Just make the broken quests that are there work properly.

But as Roqua recognized already, which quests are really broken and how were they intended to work in the first place? If you get new dialogue because there was a bug in the text should it be restored or not? Firing several shots without reloading using a scope mode with a gun whose model shows no scope and only one bullet reloading, is that fixing a bug or modding? Swapping the .38 of the police with Glocks because their actual models show Glocks in their holsters, is this fixing a bug or modding? Changing the name of the Glock to Glock like one can actually read on the model, is this a bug or modding? Where is the borderline?

 

[Wesp5]

Backgrounds were already implemented by Troika code-wise. they weren't included because they were too buggy and Troika didn't have the time to fix them up. Putting it back into the game is restoration, not modding.

But still to get them working I had to modify some effects and to balance them I made exactly 58 changes to the original file. Not altering descriptions or something, just swapping them around and similar. Now where is the borderline here between restoring and modding?

The same goes for any dialogue that Troika had already written and done voiceovers for but for some reason didn't implement. No artistic license has been taken with Troika's original work. This isn't the same as having some mod maker write up new dialogue or change the names of the weapons in the game...

Again, when the weapon model has Glock written on it and it looks and behaves like a Glock isn't it a bug to call it something else? We all know that they just did this to avoid license fees but in the state released with some weapons having the real name e.g. the Steyr Aug and some a fantasy one this was an inconsistent mess.

What about the occult items I restored? They were completely working with only some graphics missing like the actual model or the inventory sprites. I fixed them but where to place them? Again restoring meats modding with no way to guess Troikas intentions...

 

[lefthandblack]

offering to host stolen content was a complete trash move.

Nobody stole anything. As the code in question never belonged to anybody but Troika.

I always get a laugh out of modders that try and assert ownership by putting stuff like
"you may not use this as a base for other mods" or some other bullshit in their readme
files. Fuck you, I'll do what I want, as it was never yours to begin with.

edited for spelling- deal with it.

 

[Hazelnut]

Just to put the facts right one final time (hopefully): I didn't choose to call my patch a patch. That name was choosen by Dan Upright who started it and I continued to use it because it was already known under that name. We both thought that the "unofficial" in front would be hint enough that this was no work of Troika. On the other hand the name "true" was not chosen by the developer of the bug-fixes-only patch, he always referred to it as "bug-fixes-only" and even propose the simpler name "Basic VTMB Patch" as can be read here:

http://www.forumplanet.com/planetvampir ... 1#23065207

The "true" name was chosen by Tessera just to imply that my patches are wrong and this is not fair after using my work as a base in the first place. The same goes to choosing a higher version number to imply that the other patch is more advanced which of course it isn't especially as it actually aims to be more basic! That combined with not including proper credits and bashing my patch all the time is what is angering myself and many people!

And you have absolutely every right to take issue with the original release of this 'true patch'. Having read the threads on this (having no stake because I don't own the game) you have come across as a sane, reasonable, logical and literate person and that says all I need to know. Tessara came over as quite the opposite, and given Astro's opinion of them from previous scandals I think we can be pretty certain that this immature twat is fucking everything up whilst not actually doing the actual modding work. That sucks big time, and to hear that Acrimonious (I think?) who does the actual development is considering starting from scratch just to enable Tosspots' little drama queen attention whoring tirade sticks in my craw big time!

What I really want to know is whether Wesp and Acrimonious (+ webhosting offers from DU etc) can get together to act sane, sensible and cut Tessara's childish games off at the fucking knees! Please tell me this can happen / has happened 'cos I fucking hate (and I don't hate much) disrespectful fucked up lazy immature drama queen bullshit artists like this Tessara cunt. :evil:

(Oh, and reading RP/Roqua/MiscOthers discussing mod/patch semantics has been like being a fly on the wall of a turn based counseling session )


EDIT: @lefthandback - it's called respect for others, of course you don't *have* to respect other people's work, but if you don't then you're a dick.