Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[mediocrepoet]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

 

[Humbaba]

You are wrong and gay.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

Well, yeah. That's why it's fun. At least until it became srs bizniz and marine wank.

Can you imagine how fucking boring it would be if it wasn't a batshit insane setting with cathedral mechs, melee combat and shit.
"Oh boy, I can't wait to play bootleg Battletech / Halo / <Insert any serious military sci-fi setting here>"

 

[mediocrepoet]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

Well, yeah. That's why it's fun. At least until it became srs bizniz and marine wank.

Take a Yes and a brofist.

 

[Cryomancer]

Despite any critique towards 40K, I rather have a game in this setting than in Golarion.

 

[Tyranicon]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

40k lore enjoyers can be split into a few sections:

1. People who appreciate a pulpy space opera with some teeth to it.
2. Muh Heresy dudebros.
3. Old people who miss punkhammer (the setting used to be way more Necromunda than it is today).
4. People who enjoy doomer porn.
5. Memers.
6. Youtubers making a living explaining every single minute detail of the setting like it's some anime.

Is it a well-written? Eh. My guess is the original creators would've laughed if you compared their work to Tolkien or something, but after a bazillion books, now people expect 40k to be something it's not.

Which is to be reasonable.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

40k lore enjoyers can be split into a few sections:

1. People who appreciate a pulpy space opera with some teeth to it.
2. Muh Heresy dudebros.
3. Old people who miss punkhammer (the setting used to be way more Necromunda than it is today).
4. People who enjoy doomer porn.
5. Memers.
6. Youtubers making a living explaining every single minute detail of the setting like it's some anime.

Is it a well-written? Eh. My guess is the original creators would've laughed if you compared their work to Tolkien or something, but after a bazillion books, now people expect 40k to be something it's not.

Which is to be reasonable.

7. People who enjoy Fantasy mixed with Technology

WHERE'S SHADOWRUN 4 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

I noticed that StarCraft had ripped off WH40K.
Then I learned WH40K ripped off Starship Troopers.
Then I learned that Starship Troopers wasn't just a film from the late 1990s.

Spoiler

 

[ArchAngel]

I noticed that StarCraft had ripped off WH40K.
Then I learned WH40K ripped off Starship Troopers.
Then I learned that Starship Troopers wasn't just a film from the late 1990s.

Spoiler

Isn't WK40K older than Starship Troopers? Also how did it rip it off? Tyranids?! Enemies like that existed since black and white horror SF movies.

 

[Mauman]

I noticed that StarCraft had ripped off WH40K.
Then I learned WH40K ripped off Starship Troopers.
Then I learned that Starship Troopers wasn't just a film from the late 1990s.

Spoiler

Isn't WK40K older than Starship Troopers? Also how did it rip it off? Tyranids?! Enemies like that existed since black and white horror SF movies.

Movie yes, book oh hell no.

 

[jac8awol]

There's a group on facebook whose posts keep showing up on my feed, something like 'Warhammer 40k - fascist free zone' and they don't seem to get the inherent irony in that at all. A bunch of left-leaning antisocial shut-in fags and trannies idolizing space nazis.

 

[zapotec]

Blatant ripoff are from Dune (Navigators Houses), Judge Dredd (Adeptus Arbites), Alien (Genestealers)

 

[ERYFKRAD]

There's a group on facebook whose posts keep showing up on my feed, something like 'Warhammer 40k - fascist free zone' and they don't seem to get the inherent irony in that at all. A bunch of left-leaning antisocial shut-in fags and trannies idolizing space nazis.

Sounds like the posters in that group would more likely be Chaos, Tau and Eldarfags than The Imperium of Man.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

There's a group on facebook whose posts keep showing up on my feed, something like 'Warhammer 40k - fascist free zone' and they don't seem to get the inherent irony in that at all. A bunch of left-leaning antisocial shut-in fags and trannies idolizing space nazis.

Sounds like the posters in that group would more likely be Chaos, Tau and Eldarfags than The Imperium of Man.

Nah, there'll be space marines. There's always space marines.
And they'll have breasts modeled onto them and headcanon'd as being women, because the Sisters of Battle don't exist, amirite?

 

[Humbaba]

There's a group on facebook whose posts keep showing up on my feed, something like 'Warhammer 40k - fascist free zone' and they don't seem to get the inherent irony in that at all. A bunch of left-leaning antisocial shut-in fags and trannies idolizing space nazis.

Ah yes the "Sigmarxists".

The Imperium isn't fascist. It's totalitarian and authoritarian but those things apply to communist regimes as well. Emprah certainly had a lot more in common with Mao than Hitler for example. On the most basic level, the Imperium is a feudalist dystopia, analogous to the Holy Roman Empire in how large and decentralised it is but yknow in SPEHSS.

 

[Peachcurl]

I noticed that StarCraft had ripped off WH40K.
Then I learned WH40K ripped off Starship Troopers.
Then I learned that Starship Troopers wasn't just a film from the late 1990s.

Spoiler

Isn't WK40K older than Starship Troopers? Also how did it rip it off? Tyranids?! Enemies like that existed since black and white horror SF movies.

Movie yes, book oh hell no.

Yep. 1959 (Starship Troopers novel) vs 1987 (w40k, first rulebook).

 

[Peachcurl]

Blatant ripoff are from Dune (Navigators Houses), Judge Dredd (Adeptus Arbites), Alien (Genestealers)

How do you distinguish between blatant ripoff and inspiration?

Anyways, I'd also mention power armor from Starship Troopers.

 

[Cryomancer]

On the most base level, the Imperium is a feudalist dystopia, analogous to the Holy Roman Empire in how large and decentralised it is but yknow in SPEHSS.

Yep. And honestly, an progressist centralized state would NEVER work in WH40k or fantasy.

 

[DeepOcean]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

It is a dumb setting based on the pop culture representations of it but there is a deeper context to it that most people dont see because they just pay attention to things like the orks and rarely dig much deeper.
Examples:
The Emperor was a being that had demigod like powers but he didnt wish for people to worship him, he thought that depending on gods was a weakness to mankind, he wished to create an Empire that was based purely on intellectual knowledge, he thought he could guide humanity to it through a Great Crusade that could unite the different and scattered human colonized worlds into a single body, however, the very nature of him concentrating power and leadership on himself made humanity, ironically made humanity too dependent on him.

Once he "died", the Empire risked imploding, and a religion was formed to prevent that, where, ironically, he is worshipped as a God. His failure was that human beings arent purely intellectual things and we are driven by emotions not purely intellectual constructs, the intellectual constructs are just a post facto rationalization to cover us from seeing our shortcomings.

Ironically, that religion is what keeps the Empire from imploding as it is that justify the immense sacrifices to keep it running, but keeping it has many, many costs, like stifling innovation and destroying freedom. On the Empire, you are a slave, a part of the machine, nothing more, if someone decides you are going to spend the rest of your life on a coal mine, you have zero recourse against it.

The chaos gods arent Evil, they are representations of humanity shortcomings created on the warp, Nurgle, for example, represents desease and decay, ironically it also rewards his followers with the end of pain, they cant feel pain anymore. Each God has a chaotic side and a good side, even if twisted, each rewards their followers with some type of "freedom" that the Empire doesnt provide, they represent the repressed animalistic tendencies of humanity on 40k.

So the Empire, is a rusted and dying machine created with the best intentions but that ended petrified trying to do what it takes to survive, 40k is a highly pessimistic setting, ironically, comedy relief and over the top designs have the goal of creating a style that is easy to identify and also to not go fully edgy depressive stuff, that grimdark background contrasts well with the over the top shit. It ends being unique because of it.

Of course, many people dont like it and would disagree with me but for me, personally, on this day and age where uniqueness is anathema and you must regurgitate the same shit everyone is doing, that alone is worthy something.

 

[Camel]

Blatant ripoff are from Dune (Navigators Houses), Judge Dredd (Adeptus Arbites), Alien (Genestealers)

GW ripped off the Elves from Tolkien, they’re even called the Eldar.

 

[ArchAngel]

Blatant ripoff are from Dune (Navigators Houses), Judge Dredd (Adeptus Arbites), Alien (Genestealers)

GW ripped off the Elves from Tolkien, they’re even called the Eldar.

Everyone ripped off Elves from Tolkien, it is like saying sky is blue.
Also Elves existed in folk tales long before Tolkien.

 

[mediocrepoet]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

It is a dumb setting based on the pop culture representations of it but there is a deeper context to it that most people dont see because they just pay attention to things like the orks and rarely dig much deeper.
Examples:
The Emperor was a being that had demigod like powers but he didnt wish for people to worship him, he thought that depending on gods was a weakness to mankind, he wished to create an Empire that was based purely on intellectual knowledge, he thought he could guide humanity to it through a Great Crusade that could unite the different and scattered human colonized worlds into a single body, however, the very nature of him concentrating power and leadership on himself made humanity, ironically made humanity too dependent on him.

Once he "died", the Empire risked imploding, and a religion was formed to prevent that, where, ironically, he is worshipped as a God. His failure was that human beings arent purely intellectual things and we are driven by emotions not purely intellectual constructs, the intellectual constructs are just a post facto rationalization to cover us from seeing our shortcomings.

Ironically, that religion is what keeps the Empire from imploding as it is that justify the immense sacrifices to keep it running, but keeping it has many, many costs, like stifling innovation and destroying freedom. On the Empire, you are a slave, a part of the machine, nothing more, if someone decides you are going to spend the rest of your life on a coal mine, you have zero recourse against it.

The chaos gods arent Evil, they are representations of humanity shortcomings created on the warp, Nurgle, for example, represents desease and decay, ironically it also rewards his followers with the end of pain, they cant feel pain anymore. Each God has a chaotic side and a good side, even if twisted, each rewards their followers with some type of "freedom" that the Empire doesnt provide, they represent the repressed animalistic tendencies of humanity on 40k.

So the Empire, is a rusted and dying machine created with the best intentions but that ended petrified trying to do what it takes to survive, 40k is a highly pessimistic setting, ironically, comedy relief and over the top designs have the goal of creating a style that is easy to identify and also to not go fully edgy depressive stuff, that grimdark background contrasts well with the over the top shit. It ends being unique because of it.

Of course, many people dont like it and would disagree with me but for me, personally, on this day and age where uniqueness is anathema and you must regurgitate the same shit everyone is doing, that alone is worthy something.

Sure, cool. Show me where that gets represented in any product that non-diehard fans would be exposed to. For instance, Dawn of War.

 

[Serus]

To give an idea of how fucked you are if you're a psyker -
There's a bit of old fluff dating back from...4th edition, I think, about how demons perceive the world from the warp.
To them, every mortal soul shows up as a speck of light.
Except for psykers. Their souls show up as massive stars, and the stronger they are, the bigger it is.

So every demon knows exactly where you are, because they can see you and are drawn to you.
You're basically born with the Mark of Sacrifice from Berserk, except you don't get Skull Knight, you don't get Dragonslayer, and you certainly don't get plot armour.
Oh, and whenever you use those powers you have, which you would think would be the one good thing about being a psyker, you're basically spreading your metaphysical buttcheeks apart and inviting them to hop in.
So yeah, being a psyker sucks, and that's not even getting into the cultural stigma that the IoM feels towards them, because as it turns out, not many people trust those who can spontaneously turn into a demonic flesh portal.

You forgot the part where you are lucky to even get that far. If you are a psyker but not good at it, you just become one of the 10 000 that are daily sacrificed to the Emperor.

You forgot the part where it actually can be a better (certainly "safer") way to die for a potential psyker than some things the warp and its denizens can do to you.
Also it is 1000/day. The 10 000 number is the amount of psykers that serves as batteries at all times - "only" 1000/day die.

 

[Serus]

Despite any critique towards 40K, I rather have a game in this setting than in Golarion.

I'd rather have a good game. Not having Tolkien-esque fantasy is a nice change of pace but without good game it means nothing.

 

[Serus]

40K is a dumb setting full of dumb edgelordy shit except for lulzy stuff like the greenskins. Change my mind.

It is a dumb setting based on the pop culture representations of it but there is a deeper context to it that most people dont see because they just pay attention to things like the orks and rarely dig much deeper.
Examples:
The Emperor was a being that had demigod like powers but he didnt wish for people to worship him, he thought that depending on gods was a weakness to mankind, he wished to create an Empire that was based purely on intellectual knowledge, he thought he could guide humanity to it through a Great Crusade that could unite the different and scattered human colonized worlds into a single body, however, the very nature of him concentrating power and leadership on himself made humanity, ironically made humanity too dependent on him.

Once he "died", the Empire risked imploding, and a religion was formed to prevent that, where, ironically, he is worshipped as a God. His failure was that human beings arent purely intellectual things and we are driven by emotions not purely intellectual constructs, the intellectual constructs are just a post facto rationalization to cover us from seeing our shortcomings.

Ironically, that religion is what keeps the Empire from imploding as it is that justify the immense sacrifices to keep it running, but keeping it has many, many costs, like stifling innovation and destroying freedom. On the Empire, you are a slave, a part of the machine, nothing more, if someone decides you are going to spend the rest of your life on a coal mine, you have zero recourse against it.

The chaos gods arent Evil, they are representations of humanity shortcomings created on the warp, Nurgle, for example, represents desease and decay, ironically it also rewards his followers with the end of pain, they cant feel pain anymore. Each God has a chaotic side and a good side, even if twisted, each rewards their followers with some type of "freedom" that the Empire doesnt provide, they represent the repressed animalistic tendencies of humanity on 40k.

So the Empire, is a rusted and dying machine created with the best intentions but that ended petrified trying to do what it takes to survive, 40k is a highly pessimistic setting, ironically, comedy relief and over the top designs have the goal of creating a style that is easy to identify and also to not go fully edgy depressive stuff, that grimdark background contrasts well with the over the top shit. It ends being unique because of it.

Of course, many people dont like it and would disagree with me but for me, personally, on this day and age where uniqueness is anathema and you must regurgitate the same shit everyone is doing, that alone is worthy something.

Sure, cool. Show me where that gets represented in any product that non-diehard fans would be exposed to. For instance, Dawn of War.

Religion around Emperor started to form before his "death". Possibly even before Horus started having daddy issues. At least according to Horus Heresy books and they are canon.
Also saying that Chaos gods aren't evil is just being a lawyer*. They are, for all practical purposes. The theology and cosmology of the universe doesn't make any sense anyway - like many other things - so the practical is all that matters.


*since we are on the Dex, should I say, "jew"?