Was Dark Souls 2 the greatest game that From Software ever made?

[smaug]

Bloodborne is trash.

No, it's really cool and innovative. Taking the Souls format as a starting point and then cutting out all of the customization and replacing it with a health regeneration mechanic that doesn't work was a stroke of genius.

Which is why it’s boring and why every souls game after demon souls is inferior.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

If build customization and mechanical depth are what you consider to be the greastes strengths of these games, then DS2 should be peak for you

 

[Dr1f7]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

Sekiro is a Tenchu game, not a Souls game.

Next thing you know, you'll be adding the Armored Core games to the list, just because... why not?

i know your eyes are foggy from the cum that got sprayed all over your face so I'll make the thread title easier for you to read:

Was Dark Souls 2 the greatest game that From Software ever made?​

 

[The_Mask]

i know your eyes are foggy from the cum that got sprayed all over your face so I'll make the thread title easier for you to read:

Are you saying a Tenchu game is better than an RPG?

Maybe I have cum in my eyes, but you have cum in your head.

 

[ChaDargo]

One day I'm going to play through all their games (including Bloodborne and Sekiro) in chronological order and that will be all I play for as long as it takes. Then I will know for certain how they compare to one another.

Now I just need to find the money for a playstation and a better pc... Anyone interested in helpin a brotha out?

 

[Morenatsu.]

Bloodborne is trash.

No, it's really cool and innovative. Taking the Souls format as a starting point and then cutting out all of the customization and replacing it with a health regeneration mechanic that doesn't work was a stroke of genius.

Which is why it’s boring and why every souls game after demon souls is inferior.

Is this like one of those things where you talk shit about a game you haven't played and don't actually know anything about?

 

[Morenatsu.]

Furry avatars are, for a fact, a bigger cancer than anime avatars - it's kinda sad they're even allowed here.
Meanwhile, Pokemon avatars are tolerable - not great, not terrible.
So in this contest, Dr1f7 wins.

Ok pookefag

 

[Dadd]

DeS>DS2 PvP>DS1>DS2PvE>>>>>DS3

Bloodborne and Sekiro aren't Souls games.

 

[Morenatsu.]

pvp is for fegs lmao

 

[Wunderbar]

DeS > DS2 with DLCs = DS1 > ER >>>> DS3

 

[Falksi]

Finished DS1 last night and yeah, the longer it went on the more I wanted it to finally end. That DLC would have been far better for just being the extra boss fights, with only the Painted World any good as an area itself.

As awesome as DS1's ideas are and early to mid game is, once you've gotten into a rhythm and obtained some decent gear and specs it all starts to get a bit mundane sadly. And the lock-on mechanic is flat out awful.

Still had some great fun along the way though mind, and it's easy to see why it was so stand-out for it's day.

 

[Dadd]

pvp is for fegs lmao

So you liked it?

 

[smaug]

No, it's really cool and innovative. Taking the Souls format as a starting point and then cutting out all of the customization and replacing it with a health regeneration mechanic that doesn't work was a stroke of genius.

Which is why it’s boring and why every souls game after demon souls is inferior.

Is this like one of those things where you talk shit about a game you haven't played and don't actually know anything about?

Butthurt coming from somewhere else? I did play Bloodborne. To clarify, I bold “customization” to also include a wide range of other mechanics and different design. Demon Souls is interesting precisely because it’s not just a flashy action game like DS3, BB and now Elden Ring.

 

[D_X]

Aren't Elden Ring's Legacy Dungeons, supposedly, really really good?

They're more of a mixed bag. Some are really good such as Volcano Manor, the capitol and the sewer dungeon under the capitol. Stormveil is also pretty good until you get to the roof jumping part. I guess mileage may vary on the platforming part but I didn't appreciate how just because there's a jump button now we must suddenly play Mario.

Problem is that even the good ones are cheapened by one thing or another. The Manor has a copy/paste boss in the middle and a bonfire right before a shortcut to another bonfire, capitol copy pastes several enemies that were previously bosses and has one of the dumbest things I've seen in a game

Spoiler

There's a boss you fight early on. That boss reappears as the final boss of the capitol. Now this makes sense from a story perspective. What does not make sense is that on the outskirts of the capitol, you can pass some random schmuck who suddenly transforms into a non boss, mini me version of that boss.

and the final boss of the sewers level is just the 1st phase of a boss that is in a completely different place and fuck me if I know why he's in 2 places at once.

The rest are either not great from a level design perspective or lose whatever points they get from that from being filled with copypasta and massive fucking hp bloat. The Haligtree is particularly guilty of this - pretty much everything there has been encountered before, except now it has 10 times more health and hits 3 times as hard.

Having said all that,

If so, what would your ranking be if we were to distinguish between ER's Legacy Dungeons and non-LD content?

the answer for this is obvious. Even if considering just the LDs, the ranking remains the same.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Butthurt coming from somewhere else? I did play Bloodborne. To clarify, I bold “customization” to also include a wide range of other mechanics and different design. Demon Souls is interesting precisely because it’s not just a flashy action game like DS3, BB and now Elden Ring.

Who even cares about ‘customization’? Only weird nerds care about shoving random different equipment together for no reason. Normal people just take whatever they come across and deal with it. It's an action game, not an RPG. And really, many of the things you can ‘customize’ with make the game too easy or are just dumb. They don't have value. Games aren't about options just for the sake of it.

What does that have to do with Demon's Souls, anyway? It has varied bosses. Maybe you will even use different weapons for some of them. That's not customization, though.

 

[Dadd]

Finished DS1 last night and yeah, the longer it went on the more I wanted it to finally end. That DLC would have been far better for just being the extra boss fights, with only the Painted World any good as an area itself.

As awesome as DS1's ideas are and early to mid game is, once you've gotten into a rhythm and obtained some decent gear and specs it all starts to get a bit mundane sadly. And the lock-on mechanic is flat out awful.

Still had some great fun along the way though mind, and it's easy to see why it was so stand-out for it's day.

The Lordvessel's main function is to hide the shitty level design of later areas. If you descend the Catacombs down to Pinwheel's area and crawl back up to Firelink Shrine without the Lordvessel and without using the shortcut, and compare the density of great ideas (some of which become more salient when you're climbing back up) in that area compared to any of the later areas, where you just kill the boss, get to the last bonfire of the area, warp out, it's obvious they ran out of time and/or ideas after Anor Londo.

 

[somerandomdude]

I played the original DS2 when it was on PS3. The fondest memories I got from playing it was all the hate mail I got from dumping on people in PVP.

Just a few things I remember doing to obtain the hate:

- Power stance mundane avelyns. Literally never lost an invasion running this build, I could invade games for 2hrs straight and win every time, the number of opponents didn't matter. *they nerfed this*
- If you kill a host, you could slam them with acid jars as they de-spawn and break all their gear. *they nerfed this too*
- Vanquisher's Seal w/bare fists. They do a lot of damage, and people got butthurt when you pwned them with fists. *I think they nerfed this too, not 100% sure*
- Lightning infused Defender Greatsword on a faith build. This was very powerful, 2 chops often did the trick, or 3 if someone pumped HP, and you could pair it with sunlight spear which was OHKO if you landed it. *they nerfed this weapon too*

I can confirm that losing to power stance mundane avelyns was still a case of git gud vs it actually being broken, because I took a vanquisher's seal bare fists build and beat someone using power stance mundane avelyns 8 times out of 10 matches in a 1 vs 1 duel. It was a gimmick build for invasions that a lot of people didn't see or expect to run into = they weren't prepared to deal with it. An experienced player could deal with it. Noob crusher/gimmick builds have always worked well in invasions in every souls game. 1 vs 1s against more experienced players is a whole different can of worms.

 

[Old Hans]

I bounced off ds2 hard when it was released, but ive replayed it recently and it has its moments thanks to the DLCS, but good lord most of those base game areas are so poorly made and bland

 

[Multidirectional]

I cannot even remember whether I did this already in this thread or not, so just gonna rate From games that I've played, I don't care Souls or not:

DS >= DS2 SoTFS > Sekiro > ER >>> DS3.

Would probably rate ER higher than Sekiro if not for the open world tedium. That makes Sekiro, game without build customization, a lot more replayable to me than Elden Ring.

 

[Elttharion]

Its not my favorite From game but ganking people with the rat covenant when SoTFS released was probably my favorite part of any souls game to date.

 

[Baron Dupek]

It was borderling experimental

still - nonScholar version was much better choice

 

[Ash]

I'm fine with people prefering Dark Souls 1 or the OG Demon's Souls. Those games is spectacular. Dark Souls 3 on the other hand was pure decline in almost every way imaginable. But it had better graffix I guess?

This was SDG's best thread and one of the few times he ever made sense. Probably because these are modern-era games being discussed, he actually played them all not just the declined versions or remakes made 20 years later, and for once had adequate context.

 

[Dr1f7]

Its not my favorite From game but ganking people with the rat covenant when SoTFS released was probably my favorite part of any souls game to date.

people forget how many nice things ds2 added to the series and instead just shit on the game non-stop cuz their favorite streamer said to

• omnidirectional rolling
• pvp covenants that you can access early in the game, rather than needing to play through 90% of the game first
• twinblades - greatest souls weapon of all time (then ruined in DS3 [trash game] but revived in elden ring)

 

[Morenatsu.]

Its not my favorite From game but ganking people with the rat covenant when SoTFS released was probably my favorite part of any souls game to date.

people forget how many nice things ds2 added to the series and instead just shit on the game non-stop cuz their favorite streamer said to

• omnidirectional rolling
• pvp covenants that you can access early in the game, rather than needing to play through 90% of the game first
• twinblades - greatest souls weapon of all time (then ruined in DS3 [trash game] but revived in elden ring)

mechanical improvements with subpar content, amazing gaming

 

[Dr1f7]

yeah yeah very original opinions

and if some streamer made a video praising the good things about the game you'd all change your minds overnight
"hey heye verybody its seth zetehch here [picture of black man] and i just wanna say dark souls 2 rules!"

then everyone claps