Was Dark Souls 2 the greatest game that From Software ever made?

[Morenatsu.]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

As someone who played about 1/4th of the porting disaster that is PTDE and around 60% of DS3 I can tell you DS2 is the one with the most ''Soul'', whatever that may mean. DS1 is like a mish-mash of ideas with some stuff being good and some just being retarded. DS2 had its own vision on improving on the systems introduced in DS1 while DS3 is just DS1 memes over a BB base, without the guns. Lore-wise DS2 has its own stories, characters and world while DS3 lore only exists as a callback to DS1. Gameplay wise, DS2 actually has more variety than DS1 and more substance than DS3's koolaid arts. DS3 combat is like DS2 combat if DS2 had only katanas and rapiers. Even DS3 bosses are more like a chore because they were designed with the philosophy of ''hey look guys this boss delays attacks and changes gender midway through the fight, see how interesting it is?''.

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

If you don't care about DS3, which game do you think DS2 inferior to you retard? Fucking Mario? DS1 is a fucking ugly DX8-looking game that can't run properly on PC to save its precious creator's life. Every area has a pretentious instagram filter over it and there are plenty of areas where they experimented with meme-difficulty, much more than in DS2, even with its the DLCs. Lazy = uninteresting bosses? Or lazy = bosses without multiple stages? WTF is a good boss to you? Most DS2 bosses have their own gimmicks, even most of the DLC ones and its retarded to say they're ''lazy'' when all their movesets and levels and the tactics required to beat them are different. You're just repeating the cries of ''too much guys in armor, woe is me'' from the journos who based their life's worth on the fact that they beat DS1 and couldn't beat DS2.

And playing the souls series for the story is like playing chess for the lore. The lore hypes up random pieces of equipment and characters as legendary or powerful or whatever but none of it matches the actual performance of those pieces of gear. If the lore was so good in DS1, why do so many people go through half the game with a sword cut off from a dragon's ass? Surely more powerful weapons exist according to the lore? Just because there aren't cutscenes doesn't mean telling a story through breadcrumbs is better, nor that its implementation in DS1, or any souls games is good. The realities of the game world don't match the lore from item descriptions and if it was a game with more direct storytelling, it would've been panned for the story not matching what's on screen but since its DS it gets a free pass because muh environmental storytelling.

Don't entertain furry man. His opinions are like tits on a bull.

Drink more alcohol.

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

The date is august 13th 2022 and Dark Souls 2 is still the best AHAHAHA eat it nerds!!!!!!

 

[Falksi]

Just finishing up Dark Souls 1 again and, whilst I certainly get the love for it and have enjoyed it to a fair degree, it definitely does not satisfy or excite me as much as later Fromsoft games.

And, despite the inclusion of some really fun bosses, the DLC especially is pretty lame and feels rushed when it comes to the areas themselves. Playing the remastered version with this DLC included has really padded out and diluted the whole experience for me.

Looking forward to seeing how my revisit to Dark Souls 2 holds up.

 

[Lutte]

When I first played DS1, I couldn't bring myself to complete it. When DS2 came out, I liked the whole experience enough to go through multiple complete runs of the game. Then I felt like I should experience the end of DS1 and went back to it and completed it for the first time, after having ran DS2 to death.

Yeah, DS1's latter half is not very good. And its DLC is only memorable because of the boss encounters, not because of the area design. And while they were good bosses, they ended up stirring the series into the wrong direction.

 

[Young_Hollow]

No offense but guy with your avatar vouching for it is exactly the opposite of what the best Souls game needs. DS24lyf.

 

[Morenatsu.]

DS2 sucks vagina and Duke Nukem's Archives was the best DS1 area because it reminded me of Demon's Souls which is better than both of those shitty games!

Only good part of DS2 was the beastman forest.

 

[Dr1f7]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

 

[Morenatsu.]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

 

[Dr1f7]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

 

[Morenatsu.]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

 

[smaug]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

We actually agree on something? How funny.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

We actually agree on something? How funny.

broken clock

 

[smaug]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

We actually agree on something? How funny.

broken clock

even a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[Morenatsu.]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

pretty useless ranking when the actual one looks like this:

demon's souls>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest

We actually agree on something? How funny.

broken clock

even a broken clock is right twice a day

dark souls 2 fans must not be broken clocks then

maybe they arent even clocks

 

[smaug]

dS2 was my first game so I’ll forever like it for nostalgia

 

[Morenatsu.]

dS2 was my first game so I’ll forever like it for nostalgia

ds2 as a first game ever... not sure whether to pity you or to feel impressed

always knew it was made for babies

 

[D_X]

Definitive ranking of the entire seieres is DeS=BB>DS1=DS2>ER=DS3. Sekiro has no place in this discussion. Now, I accept some variation in tastes such as saying DeS is better than BB or that ER is not as shit as DS3 or something along those lines, but otherwise, anyone who disagrees has shit taste.

 

[smaug]

Definitive ranking of the entire seieres is DeS=BB>DS1=DS3>ER=DS3. Sekiro has no place in this discussion. Now, I accept some variation in tastes such as saying DeS is better than BB or that ER is not as shit as DS3 or something along those lines, but otherwise, anyone who disagrees has shit taste.

Bloodborne is trash.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Sekiro is the best From Software game

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Furry avatars are, for a fact, a bigger cancer than anime avatars - it's kinda sad they're even allowed here.
Meanwhile, Pokemon avatars are tolerable - not great, not terrible.
So in this contest, Dr1f7 wins.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Definitive ranking of the entire seieres is DeS=BB>DS1=DS2>ER=DS3.

While I mostly agree with this
Aren't Elden Ring's Legacy Dungeons, supposedly, really really good?
If so, what would your ranking be if we were to distinguish between ER's Legacy Dungeons and non-LD content?

 

[Silverfish]

Bloodborne is trash.

No, it's really cool and innovative. Taking the Souls format as a starting point and then cutting out all of the customization and replacing it with a health regeneration mechanic that doesn't work was a stroke of genius. BB is also quite the artistic achievement. It's pretty neat how nearly every area blends together because of the bland and repetitive color palate. Were you aware that brown? The story's pretty engaging as well. I always liked how it transitioned from Universal Monsters stuff (cool and elegant with good messaging) to a Lovecraft ripoff (gay, overrated and reddit) partway through.

 

[fork]

Definitive ranking of the entire seieres is DeS=BB>DS1=DS2>ER=DS3.

[...] Aren't Elden Ring's Legacy Dungeons, supposedly, really really good? [...]

They really aren't. They just stand out because the rest of the game is such boring shit.
I'm not saying they're bad, there's some great level design there, but they still lack soul and atmosphere, like the rest of the game.
Not one of my top5 or even top10 "souls areas" would be an ER legacy dungeon.

 

[The_Mask]

Sekiro>>DS1>>>>ER>DS2>DS3

Sekiro is a Tenchu game, not a Souls game.

Next thing you know, you'll be adding the Armored Core games to the list, just because... why not?