Was Dark Souls 2 the greatest game that From Software ever made?

[SumDrunkGuy]

Majula was wonderful. I'd rank the hub areas as such:

Majula
Hunter's Dream
The Nexus
Firelink Shrine

Roundtable Hold








Whatever the fuck Dark Souls 3's hub area was. I have no recollection of it.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Whatever the fuck Dark Souls 3's hub area was. I have no recollection of it.

Dark Souls 3 had its own Firelink Shrine, which took more visual cues from Demon's Souls' Nexus than from the original Firelink Shrine in Dark Souls, but it was rather underwhelming. Probably didn't help that its music track was less memorable than any of the preceding four.

 

[Morenatsu.]

So you need to be drunk to like Dark Souls 2?

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

Nope. You just need to not be a insecure fat degenerate who adopts popular opinions. General concensus is that Dark Souls 2 is the weakest entry in the franchise which means we all deserve to be demolished by a giant laser beam. Such an injustice is unforgivable and the fact that it happened is proof we live in hell. Also Dark Souls 2 is one of the few games that I didn't play drunk.

That game was during my adderall tweaking phase. 'Twas a short period but one of my finest gaming moments.

 

[Morenatsu.]

It's shit.

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

^ typical furry degenerate. Also his last profile post says he likes to have sex with cats.

 

[Morenatsu.]

‘Dark Souls 2 is the best because I don't like Dark Souls 3’

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

Oh, right, people who love DS2 do so because they have no sense in their brains at all. Real gamers like me enjoy DS2 as one of those pitiful disaster games.

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

Real gamers like me enjoy DS2 as one of those pitiful disaster games.

And cat assholes apparently.

I've given my opinions on DeS and DaS plenty of times. I will always love and cherish them, but I have enough common sense to know that DaS2 far surpassed them in the most important ways.

And I liked Dark Souls 3 a lot. It's still a brilliant game compared to mainstream shit. In the context of it being a mainline entry in the Souls franchise it's tremendous decline. Easily the worst one.

 

[Silva]

Majula was wonderful. I'd rank the hub areas as such:

Majula
Hunter's Dream
The Nexus
Firelink Shrine

Roundtable Hold








Whatever the fuck Dark Souls 3's hub area was. I have no recollection of it.

Anybody else gets immediately putoff by the name "Roundtable", in that, DUH King Arthur Roundtable? I know I was.

And yeah, Majula is great. Such a great atmosphere and sadness vibe.

 

[Lutte]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

guys guys there's no reason to argue

Spoiler

they're all just terrible

 

[Morenatsu.]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

You are either trolling or you're the dumbest mother fucker on planet earf.

 

[Lutte]

Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL.

Did you mean DS1? Surely you meant DS1.

 

[Great Deceiver]

This track alone is better than the entirety of Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL.

Did you mean DS1? Surely you meant DS1.

A couple shit levels in an otherwise good game = DS1
A couple good levels in an otherwise shit game = DS2

DS2 is just Demon Ruins: The Game.

 

[Young_Hollow]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

As someone who played about 1/4th of the porting disaster that is PTDE and around 60% of DS3 I can tell you DS2 is the one with the most ''Soul'', whatever that may mean. DS1 is like a mish-mash of ideas with some stuff being good and some just being retarded. DS2 had its own vision on improving on the systems introduced in DS1 while DS3 is just DS1 memes over a BB base, without the guns. Lore-wise DS2 has its own stories, characters and world while DS3 lore only exists as a callback to DS1. Gameplay wise, DS2 actually has more variety than DS1 and more substance than DS3's koolaid arts. DS3 combat is like DS2 combat if DS2 had only katanas and rapiers. Even DS3 bosses are more like a chore because they were designed with the philosophy of ''hey look guys this boss delays attacks and changes gender midway through the fight, see how interesting it is?''.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

As someone who played about 1/4th of the porting disaster that is PTDE and around 60% of DS3 I can tell you DS2 is the one with the most ''Soul'', whatever that may mean. DS1 is like a mish-mash of ideas with some stuff being good and some just being retarded. DS2 had its own vision on improving on the systems introduced in DS1 while DS3 is just DS1 memes over a BB base, without the guns. Lore-wise DS2 has its own stories, characters and world while DS3 lore only exists as a callback to DS1. Gameplay wise, DS2 actually has more variety than DS1 and more substance than DS3's koolaid arts. DS3 combat is like DS2 combat if DS2 had only katanas and rapiers. Even DS3 bosses are more like a chore because they were designed with the philosophy of ''hey look guys this boss delays attacks and changes gender midway through the fight, see how interesting it is?''.

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due to a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

 

[perfectslumbers]

I like all the Souls games I'm happy they exist

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

You are embarassing yourself and bringing shame and dishonor upon your clan. If you really truly believe Dark Souls 2 is the worst Souls game then you should get into bed with those fat pink hair journos that were responsible for giving that masterpiece a bad rap. I hope you all burn in hell. People like you are equally responsible for Dark Souls 3. You ruined everything.

 

[Morenatsu.]

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

You are embarassing yourself and bringing shame and dishonor upon your clan. If you really truly believe Dark Souls 2 is the worst Souls game then you should get into bed with those fat pink hair journos that were responsible for giving that masterpiece a bad rap. I hope you all burn in hell. People like you are equally responsible for Dark Souls 3. You ruined everything.

DS3 this, DS3 that, I don't give a single fuck about DS3. Demon's Souls is the only good Souls and the rest are retarded and retardeder.

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

You are embarassing yourself and bringing shame and dishonor upon your clan. If you really truly believe Dark Souls 2 is the worst Souls game then you should get into bed with those fat pink hair journos that were responsible for giving that masterpiece a bad rap. I hope you all burn in hell. People like you are equally responsible for Dark Souls 3. You ruined everything.

DS3 this, DS3 that, I don't give a single fuck about DS3. Demon's Souls is the only good Souls and the rest are retarded and retardeder.

Your name fits. Congrats.

 

[Young_Hollow]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

As someone who played about 1/4th of the porting disaster that is PTDE and around 60% of DS3 I can tell you DS2 is the one with the most ''Soul'', whatever that may mean. DS1 is like a mish-mash of ideas with some stuff being good and some just being retarded. DS2 had its own vision on improving on the systems introduced in DS1 while DS3 is just DS1 memes over a BB base, without the guns. Lore-wise DS2 has its own stories, characters and world while DS3 lore only exists as a callback to DS1. Gameplay wise, DS2 actually has more variety than DS1 and more substance than DS3's koolaid arts. DS3 combat is like DS2 combat if DS2 had only katanas and rapiers. Even DS3 bosses are more like a chore because they were designed with the philosophy of ''hey look guys this boss delays attacks and changes gender midway through the fight, see how interesting it is?''.

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

If you don't care about DS3, which game do you think DS2 inferior to you retard? Fucking Mario? DS1 is a fucking ugly DX8-looking game that can't run properly on PC to save its precious creator's life. Every area has a pretentious instagram filter over it and there are plenty of areas where they experimented with meme-difficulty, much more than in DS2, even with its the DLCs. Lazy = uninteresting bosses? Or lazy = bosses without multiple stages? WTF is a good boss to you? Most DS2 bosses have their own gimmicks, even most of the DLC ones and its retarded to say they're ''lazy'' when all their movesets and levels and the tactics required to beat them are different. You're just repeating the cries of ''too much guys in armor, woe is me'' from the journos who based their life's worth on the fact that they beat DS1 and couldn't beat DS2.

And playing the souls series for the story is like playing chess for the lore. The lore hypes up random pieces of equipment and characters as legendary or powerful or whatever but none of it matches the actual performance of those pieces of gear. If the lore was so good in DS1, why do so many people go through half the game with a sword cut off from a dragon's ass? Surely more powerful weapons exist according to the lore? Just because there aren't cutscenes doesn't mean telling a story through breadcrumbs is better, nor that its implementation in DS1, or any souls games is good. The realities of the game world don't match the lore from item descriptions and if it was a game with more direct storytelling, it would've been panned for the story not matching what's on screen but since its DS it gets a free pass because muh environmental storytelling.

 

[Morenatsu.]

If you don't care about DS3, which game do you think DS2 inferior to you retard? Fucking Mario? DS1 is a fucking ugly DX8-looking game that can't run properly on PC to save its precious creator's life. Every area has a pretentious instagram filter over it and there are plenty of areas where they experimented with meme-difficulty, much more than in DS2, even with its the DLCs. Lazy = uninteresting bosses? Or lazy = bosses without multiple stages? WTF is a good boss to you? Most DS2 bosses have their own gimmicks, even most of the DLC ones and its retarded to say they're ''lazy'' when all their movesets and levels and the tactics required to beat them are different. You're just repeating the cries of ''too much guys in armor, woe is me'' from the journos who based their life's worth on the fact that they beat DS1 and couldn't beat DS2.

DS1 has shitty eye-searing colour correction that I hate, but DS2 has the opposite problem where it's like they turned off all the shaders (because they did). Also WTF is this shit about the PC port, just install the fan patch lmao. The actual game is fully intact and you don't even have to turn off all your cores or try to replicate the console's exact clock speed or anything. If you think a fixed resolution is that bad you don't even know what a bad port really is. ‘DX8’, lmao, fuck off.

Lazy = a bunch of copy-pasted enemies standing around, weak boss attacks that you can just walk around, gimmicks that don't matter because the boss is already dead. At least Demon's Souls was always interesting even when it was easy. What DS2 needs is MORE guys in armour that you circle strafe around, because those were the only good bosses.

And playing the souls series for the story is like playing chess for the lore. The lore hypes up random pieces of equipment and characters as legendary or powerful or whatever but none of it matches the actual performance of those pieces of gear. If the lore was so good in DS1, why do so many people go through half the game with a sword cut off from a dragon's ass? Surely more powerful weapons exist according to the lore? Just because there aren't cutscenes doesn't mean telling a story through breadcrumbs is better, nor that its implementation in DS1, or any souls games is good. The realities of the game world don't match the lore from item descriptions and if it was a game with more direct storytelling, it would've been panned for the story not matching what's on screen but since its DS it gets a free pass because muh environmental storytelling.

It's about the sense of an actual convincing adventure, not autistically justifying random gameplay shit for the sake of explaining stuff nobody actually cares about at all. Guess what, you just posted a bunch of autistic shit nobody actually cares about at all.

Also playing Chess for the lore is extremely Based.

 

[SumDrunkGuy]

Well what about Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. You know, the two games which DS2 is an inferior duct-tape clone of.

DS1's latter half is garbage. It's half a great, fantastic game, and half meh.
DeS remains a top tier game, and it's what introduced pretty much all the things that make souls game good in the first place.
DeS = DS2 = Bloodborne > DS1 >>>> Elden Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 3.

The worst parts of DS1 are better than the best parts of DS2. Did you retards even play the game? It's slapped together with shit graphics, lame encounters, and NO SOUL. In no way is it on the same level as DeS. But, liek, muh buildz, amirite?

As someone who played about 1/4th of the porting disaster that is PTDE and around 60% of DS3 I can tell you DS2 is the one with the most ''Soul'', whatever that may mean. DS1 is like a mish-mash of ideas with some stuff being good and some just being retarded. DS2 had its own vision on improving on the systems introduced in DS1 while DS3 is just DS1 memes over a BB base, without the guns. Lore-wise DS2 has its own stories, characters and world while DS3 lore only exists as a callback to DS1. Gameplay wise, DS2 actually has more variety than DS1 and more substance than DS3's koolaid arts. DS3 combat is like DS2 combat if DS2 had only katanas and rapiers. Even DS3 bosses are more like a chore because they were designed with the philosophy of ''hey look guys this boss delays attacks and changes gender midway through the fight, see how interesting it is?''.

It's like that thing Unreal was talking about. DS2 is good because DS3 sucks more. I didn't even mention DS3.

DS1 is a mish-mash? That's DS2 you fucking retard. It's a collection of random concepts that sound cool on paper but in the end were just thrown together to get the game out. No game made in such a way has survived with its ‘soul’ intact, that's the problem. You can't say the game is good just because it had ambition. It doesn't matter at all. The execution is poor, so the game is poor. Some things are fine, but it really is like most of the game is somewhere around Demon Ruins level of quality. Conceptually interesting ideas presented through shitty graphics, pathetically easy and lazy bosses, boring story and setting due a complete lack of any coherent and compelling context, but at least the mechanics are still functional and entertaining on the basic level of just being a Souls game, so actually it's the best game evar!!

Don't even talk about DLC, either, that doesn't count.

If you don't care about DS3, which game do you think DS2 inferior to you retard? Fucking Mario? DS1 is a fucking ugly DX8-looking game that can't run properly on PC to save its precious creator's life. Every area has a pretentious instagram filter over it and there are plenty of areas where they experimented with meme-difficulty, much more than in DS2, even with its the DLCs. Lazy = uninteresting bosses? Or lazy = bosses without multiple stages? WTF is a good boss to you? Most DS2 bosses have their own gimmicks, even most of the DLC ones and its retarded to say they're ''lazy'' when all their movesets and levels and the tactics required to beat them are different. You're just repeating the cries of ''too much guys in armor, woe is me'' from the journos who based their life's worth on the fact that they beat DS1 and couldn't beat DS2.

And playing the souls series for the story is like playing chess for the lore. The lore hypes up random pieces of equipment and characters as legendary or powerful or whatever but none of it matches the actual performance of those pieces of gear. If the lore was so good in DS1, why do so many people go through half the game with a sword cut off from a dragon's ass? Surely more powerful weapons exist according to the lore? Just because there aren't cutscenes doesn't mean telling a story through breadcrumbs is better, nor that its implementation in DS1, or any souls games is good. The realities of the game world don't match the lore from item descriptions and if it was a game with more direct storytelling, it would've been panned for the story not matching what's on screen but since its DS it gets a free pass because muh environmental storytelling.

Don't entertain furry man. His opinions are like tits on a bull.