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Game News Wasteland 2 Kickstarter Update #27: Routine Progress Report
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winterraptor
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Personally, I'll buy it and play it not knowing fully if I'll like it or not, for the other draws it has. But since when has not caring for certain setting issues or even outright hatred prevented the Codex from playing something labeled a CRPG?
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what a fucking brown noser you are
Fallout setting is as serious as Wasteland's. So all this discussion is pretty moronic
Giants mutated insects and plants, Human mutants caused by Radiation! (later corrected to ITZ FEV Science! Magic), Giant lamp computers, Energy weapons, MR Handy, Death claws etc... and I don't even cite things from Easter eggs or Fallout 2. Fallout setting was not realistic in first place. I know why devs think Codex is full of whiny entitled brats now.
EG
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How Super Mutants, Children of Cathedral and Master is more serious in tone than M.A.D. monks and why?
General Maxson
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Well they said they won't make W2 "ridiculous" (i.e. they won't put funny stuff just for the sake of it being lulzy), so I'm OK with some silliness, because it's integral to the setting, even in Fallout.
The thing is, they will and can put silly stuff in the game (just like in Fallout, like you bros already said), but they won't make the story retarded and lulzy, as well as some of the quests (an example of this is Fallout 3, with its "serious" tone, but utterly lulzy and retarded quests and story).
Don't know why anyone would mind such stuff from Wasteland. Temple of Blood, crazy cultists, crazy mutated creatures... All is well. Just no retardation and too much silly stuff for no reason, like pop culture references from Fallout 2. I dislike stuff like that. It's OK in moderate amounts if they really have to. But still Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games, so all will be forgiven if the game is good.
The thing is, they will and can put silly stuff in the game (just like in Fallout, like you bros already said), but they won't make the story retarded and lulzy, as well as some of the quests (an example of this is Fallout 3, with its "serious" tone, but utterly lulzy and retarded quests and story).
Don't know why anyone would mind such stuff from Wasteland. Temple of Blood, crazy cultists, crazy mutated creatures... All is well. Just no retardation and too much silly stuff for no reason, like pop culture references from Fallout 2. I dislike stuff like that. It's OK in moderate amounts if they really have to. But still Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games, so all will be forgiven if the game is good.
Admiral jimbob
gay as all hell
I fucking LPed it and I still find this a bit stupidOh cool. The never played Wasteland crew starts up yet again.
It's not because I want the game to be super-serious, it's just such a tired trope at this point. In games, not even in the pulp influences. If the game is extremely pulpy and over the top, it gives them even more freedom to come up with new ridiculous ideas. Instead, what do we get? An evil radiation cult. Again. Just like Wasteland, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 (multiple here!), New Vegas... except this one has mini-nuke grenades like the legendary Portable Nuclear Catapult. Fantastic.
Maybe I just have a knee-jerk reaction to evil radiation cults after stumbling across one every five minutes in FO3 and the absolutely awful Radiant Ones quest chain in New Vegas.
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I fucking LPed it and I still find this a bit stupidOh cool. The never played Wasteland crew starts up yet again.
It's not because I want the game to be super-serious, it's just such a tired trope at this point. In games, not even in the pulp influences. If the game is extremely pulpy and over the top, it gives them even more freedom to come up with new ridiculous ideas. Instead, what do we get? An evil radiation cult. Again. Just like Wasteland, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout 3 (multiple here!), New Vegas... except this one has mini-nuke grenades like the legendary Portable Nuclear Catapult. Fantastic.
Maybe I just have a knee-jerk reaction to evil radiation cults after stumbling across one every five minutes in FO3 and the absolutely awful Radiant Ones quest chain in New Vegas.
What was the radiation cult in Fallout 1 and 2?
hiver
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another complaint about the superficial look of the things rather then what it means - content.
:applause:
graphic whores, the lot of you .
Goofiness is good.
hiver
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It is. But, contrary to what people might think, it requires style, measure, and smarts to pull it
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If you're referring to the Bright followers, those guys weren't evil at all. They were just ghouls who wanted to be left alone. Some of them just happened to lose their minds and attack any human who approached.
hiver
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Imagine - someone saying a godamn thing about any of those creatures huh?Infinitron, bro, you didn't mention the thing that, IMHO, is the most important in this update: The fact that they show some of the crowdsourced assets:
...and that they look really good. That's some niceright there.
in this t-shirt update.
Wizfall
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Could...not...resist...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns/posts/435030?ref=activity
Sorry Jaesun
Also i see nothing wrong with Wasteland 2 updates.
While i appreciate a lot updates, i'm for letting the developers do as they like.
Brayko
Self-Ejected
Well they said they won't make W2 "ridiculous" (i.e. they won't put funny stuff just for the sake of it being lulzy), so I'm OK with some silliness, because it's integral to the setting, even in Fallout.
The thing is, they will and can put silly stuff in the game (just like in Fallout, like you bros already said), but they won't make the story retarded and lulzy, as well as some of the quests (an example of this is Fallout 3, with its "serious" tone, but utterly lulzy and retarded quests and story).
Don't know why anyone would mind such stuff from Wasteland. Temple of Blood, crazy cultists, crazy mutated creatures... All is well. Just no retardation and too much silly stuff for no reason, like pop culture references from Fallout 2. I dislike stuff like that. It's OK in moderate amounts if they really have to. But still Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games, so all will be forgiven if the game is good.
Thank you!
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Well fucking good for you, you fucking schmuck. Go find a bridge and slit your wrists before jumping off it.
Admiral jimbob
gay as all hell
Ah, the healthy and proportionate responses that the Codex community is known for. How could anyone ever think that they don't understand the value of style and tact?
They were evil for putting me through that questline. I can't even skip it on subsequent playthroughs, because it means passing up the opportunity to blow them all up.
Brayko
Self-Ejected
I know the type, they're bubbly white night pieces of dogshit who lack backbone so they use what little energy they have to defend things they like to their fullest and reasoning out a second opinion in a logical and sensible manner is impossible.
EDIT: I make fun of VD a lot but at least he knows how to put up a good argument.
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Too much? Let me dial it back a notch then.
You've played WL? Fantastic. You've even LP'ed it? Neato. Then you weren't really the one being addressed, were you? No, but you want to represent and give credence to the gripe...because...because...well because you don't like it either! Ok, fine. But that still wasn't what I was addressing. I'm addressing the handful of posters who appear in every WL2 thread, obviously hadn't played the original game, thought they were pledging to something else and feel that their opinion...lacking in insight to the subject at hand...is somehow worth taking seriously.
I'd also like to wonder out loud how this example of a crazy faction is any more or less silly than Harry the bunny owner or radiation angels or robots with sunglasses? Honestly.
Yeah, bro. You've been around the block. Seen it all. And now it's time to speak out and say something!
Two amusing things about your post, though:
1) Never before have I been called "bubbly."
2) How do you defend something which doesn't exist?
See, that's the strawman all the whiny shits like to use when you say "Why are you whining about a game which seems to be adhering to the canon, tone and atmosphere of the original? Wtf did you expect?" Of course that's white knighting. Of course it is.
Brayko
Self-Ejected
That's not the point and it's the general vibe some people produce, not specifically pertaining to a certain thread. They've already detracted a lot from Wasteland 1: with turn-based combat, completely revamped skill system and quest system, and an overall more modern gaming atmosphere (as WAS the original pitch) so trying to militantly claim in pathetic over zealous energy that it can't be something because IT'S NOT WASTELANDER without trying to see HOW something can be improved from the original testament (1988 ffs) is beyond retarded.
Such people aren't growing, they're stagnating, rotting on the inside, they're fanboys. Fanboys of old toys, they allow themselves to be eaten up by larger fish if they like the color of the fish, they don't defend their own integrity because they have none, so they rationalize and defend their superior, the picture that's drawn to be eaten up by little fish like them, it's all they have.
Such people aren't growing, they're stagnating, rotting on the inside, they're fanboys. Fanboys of old toys, they allow themselves to be eaten up by larger fish if they like the color of the fish, they don't defend their own integrity because they have none, so they rationalize and defend their superior, the picture that's drawn to be eaten up by little fish like them, it's all they have.
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Overzealous is one word.
Also: We're talking about tone and setting, not game mechanics here...are we not?
Also: We're talking about tone and setting, not game mechanics here...are we not?
Than*.
Right.
And they were not a ''radiation-worshipping-cult'' of any sorts, only connection they had to radiation was the fact that they were ghouls.
Admiral jimbob
gay as all hell
Okay, that's fair. My point is that there are legitimate reasons to think it's a dumb update other than "I expected a super-serious Fallout clone", though a few people obviously do hold that view. Personally, I just think it's something to expect in games of this setting at this point. Can hardly blame Fargo for that, but the silliness of wacky radiation cults - which works perfectly well in the Wasteland setting - is mitigated by the fact that, well, they're all over the place in the Fallout series. Harry the Bunny Owner was fantastic because it was so absurd and unexpected. The MAD Bomber Gang is straight out of Fallout 3, right down to the mini nuke grenades. Again, it works better here because it's coherent with the setting, so it doesn't deserve anywhere near the same level of criticism as Bethesda's super-grim super-orcs with super-nukes and the Democracy of Dave or whatever the fuck that was, but to me it crosses the line from being a fun pulp homage to a tired contemporary trope. It doesn't ultimately matter, but with the amount of creative freedom and otherwise great things InXile have shown, I'd like to see less of the latter. Hell, the Temple of Blood and its Radiation Angels are perfect examples of things that take the idea so over-the-top it becomes fresh and ridiculous again.
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Bro, that is a fine example of a gripe I can respect. Cheers.
EDIT: What I mean to say is...I can see how some may see it as a tired and/or lazy idea for a faction (and that's a fine position to have), but to claim it is "out-of-place" or "too much" in the WL setting is totally off the mark.
EDIT: What I mean to say is...I can see how some may see it as a tired and/or lazy idea for a faction (and that's a fine position to have), but to claim it is "out-of-place" or "too much" in the WL setting is totally off the mark.
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