Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[felipepepe]

Hope is just people projecting, not

shit...

 

[Kamoho]

How Wasteland 2 Will Acknowledge Gender, Discrimination

GRAYSONNNNNNNNNNNN

"I adore Fallout 3, but even I’ll admit that it was hardly water-tight. If you poked at it enough, you’d eventually find holes..."




This guy.

 

[Jim Cojones]

How Wasteland 2 Will Acknowledge Gender, Discrimination

GRAYSONNNNNNNNNNNN

"I adore Fallout 3, but even I’ll admit that it was hardly water-tight. If you poked at it enough, you’d eventually find holes..."

This guy.

While sexist subtexts of the game are "glaringly difficult to ignore".

 

[undecaf]

That a "gender/sexuality issue" needs to be highlighted specifically in an overly long blogpost instead of being mentioned in passing while describing the the macroreactivity feature as a whole is mindnumbingly depressing. I think I'll start drinking now. I love how inXile has arranged this mechanically, it sounds really cool. But jesus fucking flippers...

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

I stopped reading when he said he liekd fallout 3...
what is the summary?
womyn will face disadvantages and undomesticated snowmen will cray "sexism"? or is it going to be made appealing to undomesticated snowmen?

 

[FeelTheRads]

I stopped reading when he said he liekd fallout 3...

Yeah, it's obvious W2 will be compared to failout 3 in each and every review because every piece of shit "journalist" will want to make that comparison to look knowledgeable about post-apocalyptic games.

BN, you better fucking have "Remember Fallout 1" and with a big emphasis on "1" printed on the box.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

How Wasteland 2 Will Acknowledge Gender, Discrimination

GRAYSONNNNNNNNNNNN

Ack. I've read the links in that "article", and now I'm going to Best tread ever. But seriusly, what the fuck. Of all things wrong with Fallout 3 (quests, C&C, combat, you name it) those fucks are hung up on percieved sexism. Just... Argh. I know that SJW aren't thinking like people, but this is too much.

 

[SwiftCrack]

I stopped reading when he said he liekd fallout 3...

Yeah, it's obvious W2 will be compared to failout 3 in each and every review because every piece of shit "journalist" will want to make that comparison to look knowledgeable about post-apocalyptic games.

BN, you better fucking have "Remember Fallout 1" and with a big emphasis on "1" printed on the box.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Hope is just people projecting, not

shit...

What's the story behind the INCLOOOOOOSIVE thing?

 

[LeJosh]

Doublefine's hairychalice to include same sex relations.

 

[felipepepe]

What's the story behind the INCLOOOOOOSIVE thing?

Double Fine guy wanted to make a game about various generations of warriors. Social crusaders tell him that gays can't breed, thus they would be "weaker" or completely absent from the game. Double Fine guy then says he LOVED the observation and wants the game to be as INCLOOOSIVE!!!111 as possible.

 

[felipepepe]

Yeah, last time I checked they were debating entire new game mechanics just to include to gay couples as mentors or whatever... on a already extremely ambitious title that only has a 1M budget, by a developer know to have absolutely no managing skills... what could go wrong?

 

[Infinitron]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...wledge-gender-discrimination/#comment-1321982

As a multiple minority, I am very dubious of this discrimination angle. The article and quotes didn’t delve into the subject and how it’ll be represented in-game enough for me to put my wariness aside. I play games as escapism and entertainment and power fantasy, much like everyone else; I don’t play games to have real world bigotry and ‘you are The Other’/'you are hated’ reminders thrown at me, as I get that enough in daily real life and society.

Game worlds of fantasy and sci-fi do not need to subscribe to Earthbound ideals and our human history and prejudices — because they are not Earth and they are not our human reality, no matter how much ‘grit’ and realism and similarities one puts into it. The moment dragons or radiation megascorpions or magic or medical foam curealls etc. come into play, it’s not reality no matter how one parses it. Keeping the prejudices and social morality aspects of our human cultures and history isn’t high on my list of things worth retaining for a game.

I am not against reactive NPCs and having your gender/sex/personality/race/whatever acknowledged, but I’d rather the acknowledgements be of neutral or positive ways rather than any negative ones. I lack confidence that the subjects can be handled well. The thing is, our games are commonly written for that ‘default straight (white) male.’ How often do you run into heterophobia or racism against caucasians or men being looked down upon for being the weaker sex/for being a ‘hey sweetheart’ predatory sexual advance (with it being something other than narrated from a positive fetishized ‘oh baby, take advantage of me!’ light, but actual intimidation and threat)? Moreover, our reality does not have these things commonly either. So while it may be a novelty in-game, there is no real-world wariness and negative resonance associated like there would be for a real world minority. Bumping into sexism/misogyny, racism, homophobia, or outright exclusiveness by erasure (aka no non-white or non-straight or women characters in the world etc) is quite common in games. And again, as someone that experiences the negatives in real life, I’d rather not have social negatives reminded/reinforced in our fictional/fantasy/non-reality games.

"my feeeeeeeeeeelings!"

 

[Excidium]

Why can't those people just reach a high enough level of self-hate and depression to consider suicide

 

[Infinitron]

Poor Crosmando got himself banned. Crosmando, are you a Codexer?

 

[felipepepe]

I am not against reactive NPCs and having your gender/sex/personality/race/whatever acknowledged, but I’d rather the acknowledgements be of neutral or positive ways rather than any negative ones.

I'd love to see him playing Dragon Commander... Edward would tear him apart.

 

[Infinitron]

UPDATE: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2/posts/564723

 

[Infinitron]

Wasteland 1 separate release! THANKS EA!

 

[Stainless Veteran]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...wledge-gender-discrimination/#comment-1321982

As a multiple minority, I am very dubious of this discrimination angle. The article and quotes didn’t delve into the subject and how it’ll be represented in-game enough for me to put my wariness aside. I play games as escapism and entertainment and power fantasy, much like everyone else; I don’t play games to have real world bigotry and ‘you are The Other’/'you are hated’ reminders thrown at me, as I get that enough in daily real life and society.

Game worlds of fantasy and sci-fi do not need to subscribe to Earthbound ideals and our human history and prejudices — because they are not Earth and they are not our human reality, no matter how much ‘grit’ and realism and similarities one puts into it. The moment dragons or radiation megascorpions or magic or medical foam curealls etc. come into play, it’s not reality no matter how one parses it. Keeping the prejudices and social morality aspects of our human cultures and history isn’t high on my list of things worth retaining for a game.

I am not against reactive NPCs and having your gender/sex/personality/race/whatever acknowledged, but I’d rather the acknowledgements be of neutral or positive ways rather than any negative ones. I lack confidence that the subjects can be handled well. The thing is, our games are commonly written for that ‘default straight (white) male.’ How often do you run into heterophobia or racism against caucasians or men being looked down upon for being the weaker sex/for being a ‘hey sweetheart’ predatory sexual advance (with it being something other than narrated from a positive fetishized ‘oh baby, take advantage of me!’ light, but actual intimidation and threat)? Moreover, our reality does not have these things commonly either. So while it may be a novelty in-game, there is no real-world wariness and negative resonance associated like there would be for a real world minority. Bumping into sexism/misogyny, racism, homophobia, or outright exclusiveness by erasure (aka no non-white or non-straight or women characters in the world etc) is quite common in games. And again, as someone that experiences the negatives in real life, I’d rather not have social negatives reminded/reinforced in our fictional/fantasy/non-reality games.

"my feeeeeeeeeeelings!"

Ah, that's probably this biodrone:

One more arguement that the Bioware's fanbase is the cancer and needs to be purged.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Ah, that's probably this biodrone:

One more arguement that the Bioware's fanbase is the cancer and needs to be purged.

 

[Roguey]

Devi's cool.

Poor Crosmando got himself banned.

Good riddance.

 

[SwiftCrack]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...wledge-gender-discrimination/#comment-1321982

As a multiple minority, I am very dubious of this discrimination angle. The article and quotes didn’t delve into the subject and how it’ll be represented in-game enough for me to put my wariness aside. I play games as escapism and entertainment and power fantasy, much like everyone else; I don’t play games to have real world bigotry and ‘you are The Other’/'you are hated’ reminders thrown at me, as I get that enough in daily real life and society.

Game worlds of fantasy and sci-fi do not need to subscribe to Earthbound ideals and our human history and prejudices — because they are not Earth and they are not our human reality, no matter how much ‘grit’ and realism and similarities one puts into it. The moment dragons or radiation megascorpions or magic or medical foam curealls etc. come into play, it’s not reality no matter how one parses it. Keeping the prejudices and social morality aspects of our human cultures and history isn’t high on my list of things worth retaining for a game.

I am not against reactive NPCs and having your gender/sex/personality/race/whatever acknowledged, but I’d rather the acknowledgements be of neutral or positive ways rather than any negative ones. I lack confidence that the subjects can be handled well. The thing is, our games are commonly written for that ‘default straight (white) male.’ How often do you run into heterophobia or racism against caucasians or men being looked down upon for being the weaker sex/for being a ‘hey sweetheart’ predatory sexual advance (with it being something other than narrated from a positive fetishized ‘oh baby, take advantage of me!’ light, but actual intimidation and threat)? Moreover, our reality does not have these things commonly either. So while it may be a novelty in-game, there is no real-world wariness and negative resonance associated like there would be for a real world minority. Bumping into sexism/misogyny, racism, homophobia, or outright exclusiveness by erasure (aka no non-white or non-straight or women characters in the world etc) is quite common in games. And again, as someone that experiences the negatives in real life, I’d rather not have social negatives reminded/reinforced in our fictional/fantasy/non-reality games.

"my feeeeeeeeeeelings!"

Ah, that's probably this biodrone:

One more arguement that the Bioware's fanbase is the cancer and needs to be purged.

 

[Blaine]

Devi's cool.

Cringeworthy, autistic professional victims are "cool" now? I turned 30 last thirty last year, so it's becoming progressively more difficult for me to gauge coolness.

 

[Ninjerk]

I play games as escapism and entertainment and power fantasy, much like everyone else.

How often do you run into heterophobia or racism against caucasians

 

[Excidium]

I like how you quote it as if it's Infinitron saying it.

Devi's cool.

Looks like a whiny faggot to me