Who are the best modern cRPG developers?

[gooseman]

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by

there are way older games than dark souls. Monster hunter, kings field, zeldas.
Interestingly, all the games listed are Japanese. Not that the west has none: witcher, gothic, deus ex.

 

[NecroLord]

Uses the SPECIAL system from Fallout, no?
Really gotta play it.

Just quit after Barcelona.

Yeah, I heard that it becomes rather bland after Barcelona.

 

[Mortmal]

A whole thread to pretend it's not Larian.. Go on codex.

Haha yes, the cognitive dissonance is amusing to see here.


And Larian's next game will be even more impressive

Care to tell us more about it?

The next Larian game is so good, innovative, and impressive that some here might have an aneurysm when it's released.

 

[NecroLord]

A whole thread to pretend it's not Larian.. Go on codex.

Haha yes, the cognitive dissonance is amusing to see here.


And Larian's next game will be even more impressive

Care to tell us more about it?

The next Larian game is so good, innovative, and impressive that some here might have an aneurysm when it's released.

More bear romance shit?

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

A whole thread to pretend it's not Larian.. Go on codex.

Haha yes, the cognitive dissonance is amusing to see here.


And Larian's next game will be even more impressive

Care to tell us more about it?

The next Larian game is so good, innovative, and impressive that some here might have an aneurysm when it's released.

This is codex.
Someone is going to have aneurysm every time a CRPG gets released.

 

[ColossusCimmerian]

What classics are those?

I already mentioned in the first post of the thread:

Troika, Interplay/Black Isle, Sir-Tech and Bioware

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by the success of Codex GotY 2011 2012 Dark Souls (and its predecessor Demon's Souls); the Codex also voted Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen GotY 2012 2013 2016 and Elden Ring GotY 2022.

From top of my head.

• Asghan: The Dragon Slayer (1998)
• Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver (1999)
• Deus Ex (2000)
• Diablo 2 (2000)
• Gothic 1 (2001)
• Blade of Darkness (2001)
• Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (2006)

 

[ColossusCimmerian]

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by the success of Codex GotY 2011 2012 Dark Souls (and its predecessor Demon's Souls); the Codex also voted Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen GotY 2012 2013 2016 and Elden Ring GotY 2022.

From top of my head.

• Asghan: The Dragon Slayer (1998)
• Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver (1999)
• Deus Ex (2000)
• Diablo 2 (2000)
• Gothic 1 (2001)
• Blade of Darkness (2001)
• Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (2006)Knights of the Temple: Infernal Crusade (2004)

I can't edit the post, not "cRPG" but Action games like Dark Souls

Here is another game

• Knights of the Temple: Infernal Crusade (2004)

 

[Fargus]

A whole thread to pretend it's not Larian.. Go on codex.

Haha yes, the cognitive dissonance is amusing to see here.


And Larian's next game will be even more impressive

Care to tell us more about it?

The next Larian game is so good, innovative, and impressive that some here might have an aneurysm when it's released.

More bear romance shit?

That's like yesterday. Time to push the envelope.

 

[NecroLord]

A whole thread to pretend it's not Larian.. Go on codex.

Haha yes, the cognitive dissonance is amusing to see here.


And Larian's next game will be even more impressive

Care to tell us more about it?

The next Larian game is so good, innovative, and impressive that some here might have an aneurysm when it's released.

More bear romance shit?

That's like yesterday. Time to push the envelope.

But how far?...

 

[Dr1f7]

Turn-based blobbers have existed as a CRPG subgenre since Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord released in 1981.

Real-time blobbers have existed as a CRPG subgenre since Dungeon Master released in 1987.

Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss is not a blobber and released in 1992, establishing yet another CRPG subgenre.

Morrowind established the 3D Open World CRPG subgenre and is not an Action RPG, though it is possible for a game to be a hybrid of both, as is the case for Elden Ring.

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by the success of Codex GotY 2011 2012 Dark Souls (and its predecessor Demon's Souls); the Codex also voted Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen GotY 2012 2013 2016 and Elden Ring GotY 2022.

Deal with it.

no, arpgs are not crpgs
u deal with it

 

[Dr1f7]

according to you mfs the new street fighter is a crpg, because it has a story mode with stats and you can play it on a computer

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by the success of Codex GotY 2011 2012 Dark Souls (and its predecessor Demon's Souls); the Codex also voted Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen GotY 2012 2013 2016 and Elden Ring GotY 2022.

wtf is this??? elaborate, please

If you're questioning the Codex GotY comment, see the combined results from voting for the period 2012 through 2016:

Dark Souls was the Codex's #1 game for 2012, and #5 for the entire five-year period.

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by

there are way older games than dark souls. Monster hunter, kings field, zeldas.
Interestingly, all the games listed are Japanese. Not that the west has none: witcher, gothic, deus ex.

The King's Field games were Underworld-likes, though they obviously have a more direct bearing on the eventual creation of Demon's/Dark Souls, since all these games were all developed by From Software. Monster Hunter and Zelda aren't RPGs. Many other suggestions from people are Action games with RPG elements (e.g. Deus Ex, Blade of Darkness), with too much of an action focus and insufficient RPG elements to be considered RPGs.

 

[Sobchak]

I like owlcat but to be honest it’s slim pickings

Let's be honest here, Owlcat is overrated shit but still good.

 

[Lemming42]

Souls-like is surely best classed as its own genre, a lot of them are so incredibly derivative of each other that they play almost identically.

The mechanic I really hate is that stupid one where when you die your "memories" or w/e are dropped as a floating ball of energy and you have to run to pick it up to regain your lost experience. Annoying as fuck.

 

[NecroLord]

Souls-like is surely best classed as its own genre, a lot of them are so incredibly derivative of each other that they play almost identically.

The mechanic I really hate is that stupid one where when you die your "memories" or w/e are dropped as a floating ball of energy and you have to run to pick it up to regain your lost experience. Annoying as fuck.

Yeaaah, man, but have you READ THE LORE???


LIKE, WOOOOOOOOOW!
So deep.

 

[ColossusCimmerian]

Souls-like is surely best classed as its own genre, a lot of them are so incredibly derivative of each other that they play almost identically.

The mechanic I really hate is that stupid one where when you die your "memories" or w/e are dropped as a floating ball of energy and you have to run to pick it up to regain your lost experience. Annoying as fuck.

Yeaaah, man, but have you READ THE LORE???


LIKE, WOOOOOOOOOW!
So deep.

So true! The best lore, the best story, the best game ever, not ever Skyrim can surpass dark soul, not even Morrowind that is the greatest of all time surpassing disco elysium and Gaygate's together, if we are talking about RPG, however if we are talking about Action adventure games pretty sure God of War and Wukong are better games.

 

[Sobchak]

It's funny how the negative comments go into depth and say why it's BGay is shit and even saying as RPG is very standard without nothing new.

But the positive ones just say it's the best game without any real commentary on the game, basically a bunch of useless "positive reviews" garbage.

The fuck do you want me to write in a post where I was trying to summarise my opinion on the output of each studio in a couple of sentences.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. Go to steam review page or check a couple YT video with real analysis.

What I seems everyone agreed on is the 1 act.

If the steam reviews and youtube videos are saying that, then it *must* be true, for sure. Also, don't forget our beloved streamers.

 

[ColossusCimmerian]

It's funny how the negative comments go into depth and say why it's BGay is shit and even saying as RPG is very standard without nothing new.

But the positive ones just say it's the best game without any real commentary on the game, basically a bunch of useless "positive reviews" garbage.

The fuck do you want me to write in a post where I was trying to summarise my opinion on the output of each studio in a couple of sentences.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. Go to steam review page or check a couple YT video with real analysis.

What I seems everyone agreed on is the 1 act.

If the steam reviews and youtube videos are saying that, then it *must* be true, for sure. Also, don't forget our beloved streamers.

I guess the same must be true if a codexfag give an opinion? Or the codex "best rpg all of time" list with non-rpg?

 

[ShiningSoldier]

I don't think "souls-like" is a genre. It's more like a design style, like "metroidvania" or "immersive sim". For example, in Diablo you can search for your own corpse after the death. Doest that mean Diablo is a souls-like? Of course not.
And well... Dark Souls is an RPG. I see no reason to exclude it from the list of RPGs.

 

[The Nameless One]

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by the success of Codex GotY 2011 2012 Dark Souls (and its predecessor Demon's Souls); the Codex also voted Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen GotY 2012 2013 2016 and Elden Ring GotY 2022.

wtf is this??? elaborate, please

If you're questioning the Codex GotY comment, see the combined results from voting for the period 2012 through 2016:

Dark Souls was the Codex's #1 game for 2012, and #5 for the entire five-year period.

Action RPG is another CRPG subgenre largely established by

there are way older games than dark souls. Monster hunter, kings field, zeldas.
Interestingly, all the games listed are Japanese. Not that the west has none: witcher, gothic, deus ex.

The King's Field games were Underworld-likes, though they obviously have a more direct bearing on the eventual creation of Demon's/Dark Souls, since all these games were all developed by From Software. Monster Hunter and Zelda aren't RPGs. Many other suggestions from people are Action games with RPG elements (e.g. Deus Ex, Blade of Darkness), with too much of an action focus and insufficient RPG elements to be considered RPGs.

I would definitely pay to know what it took to get Wasteland 2 into that list... And Glitcher 3 beating Underrail by far is truly a sign of the current times.

 

[ColossusCimmerian]

I don't think "souls-like" is a genre. It's more like a design style, like "metroidvania" or "immersive sim". For example, in Diablo you can search for your own corpse after the death. Doest that mean Diablo is a souls-like? Of course not.
And well... Dark Souls is an RPG. I see no reason to exclude it from the list of RPGs.

Dark Souls is not an RPG. It's a Computer Arcade Action Game (cAAG) Yes it should be excluded from a RPG list.

Any of those copy-pasta games like Metroidvania it doesn't mean anything (Now anything is like-Rogue or like-DarkSouls), every game took their own path. Back in the days I played Super Metroid (SNES) (1994) and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PS1) (1997) I was shock like 10+ years later random games releases that do not look alike "claim" they are "Metroid+Castlevania" yet when you interview game devs (Because I did) the mothefuckrs don't even played any of those games "their inspiration" was any unrelated games to create his game... like a Tower Defense, yet they said their game is "Metroid+Castlevania". How about the gameplay? Its play like any Arcade shooter game.

Back in the day, people didn't even know how to categorize "Rogue (1980)"; now, some people still categorize "Rogue (1980)" as a text adventure. This game has a direct influence and gameplay from D&D (RPG). If I'm not mistaken, TSR sued Rogue (1980) to remove any reference to their intellectual property.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I would definitely pay to know what it took to get Wasteland 2 into that list... And Glitcher 3 beating Underrail by far is truly a sign of the current times.

According to the Codex, Wasteland 2 is merely the 9th-best CRPG of 2014, barely ahead of Lords of Xulima.

Though it seems the Codex has considerable respect for 2014 as a whole, awarding it 10 of the top 25 CRPGs in a five-year span.

 

[roguefrog]

People that have a hard time reconciling a game with action combat with an RPG are just being purists.

The point is an Action RPG is a hybrid. The RPG e.g. character player skills/attributes and progression still matter.

 

[damager]

You gotta ask these purist the question; is Gothic no CRPG?

 

[SixDead]

We didn't see any of their games yet, but it is Digimancy. I believe in George Zając.