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Why is Gothic 2 considered much better than Risen?

Discussion in 'Piranha Bytes' started by Arryosha, Feb 22, 2020.

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  1. Jvegi Arcane

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    I never had issues with later chapters of Gothics. I think they provide a refreshing change of pace. The final dungeon in Gothic 1 is awesome. The one at the end of G2 much less so, but it's short and far from painful.

    Can't compare to Risen. Never got to deep into it. I should though.
     
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  2. Dedicated_Dark Arbiter

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    Gameplay aside. I wanted to jump off a building due to how bad the writing is in Risen3. It's a fckn travstey, it's genuinly terrible. If you ignore Risen3, then Risen1 is a decent game that got a small expansion pack called Risen2 and ends decently enough. I rather it be that than ever acknowledge the existance of Risen3.
     
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  3. HoboForEternity sunset tequila Patron

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    Truth. Elex factions are better than risen
     
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  4. S0rcererV1ct0r Cipher

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    Risen 1 is Gothic 2 without all epic spells and weapons that we love, without the same exploration and quest design. Risen 1 is a good game but is the same thing of G2 but worse

    • Same 3 factions. Don = Onar farm, Inquisitor = Paladins and Magicians are fire worshipers in both games
    • Same circle based magic but with "seals" and there are far less spells to learn, no spell like army of darkness. You can only have one summon
    • Same attributes
    • Same athmosphere
     
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  5. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    There is no Gothic 4

    Only Arcania
     
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  6. Serious_Business Best Poster on the Codex

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    These posts from new members that question Codex culture are cute, they force us to go back to our previous judgements that perhaps generated questionable evidences that become dogmatic in the group, but in the end they tend to be quite tedious, they just show the unwillingness of the new member to observe and learn the culture they are trying to insert themselves in. I suppose the tactic of this thread is less predictable and obnoxious than some asshole barging in and screaming that X classic game is shit, thinking that they're unraveling some hidden ugly truth, but it is still annoying to be asked how to judge a subject. There isn't going to be a guideline for this shit, and you can make up your own opinion as you go along, but don't step in willingly in ignorance, even if you think that shows openness - make your research or some shit ; it's obvious that G2 with the expansion is a much more finely tuned and rich experience than Risen, no one ever even argued this before and you already know that you're not figuring out anything new
     
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  7. typical user Savant

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    Maybe they are Polygon fuckwits who try to gather material for another of their stupid articles.
     
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  8. Arryosha Literate

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    Actually, I wrote the post because every argument I had encountered for thinking the one is much better than the other seemed weak. I was hoping to provoke some interesting discussion by explaining why I thought so, which is what I figured the forum is for, and which is what seemed to me to happen. Why would you want to shut that discussion or a new member down? Because it annoys you? Lol! Talk about sensitive!
     
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  9. anvi Cipher Village Idiot

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    And in the start, and middle.
     
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  10. Crichton Prophet

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    There's a general problem with the 2nd half of the main quest but I think the real nasty taste in people's mouth comes from the mandatory final equipment set and final battle with the DDR elements from falling tiles and whatnot. I never completed the final battle; I just watched the ending cutscene on youtube. I'm not a huge fan of G2's final battle but at least your character got to stay in his faction armor and fight as he was accustomed.
     
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  11. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    A Gothic 2 replay is high on my to-do list. It's been like 10 years, whenever it first came out on GOG. I liked Risen a lot, but I do have fonder memories of Gothic 2. Who knows how much of that is history bias.

    Gothic 3 is the one I'm really interested to compare things to. I was one of the many who played that for 10ish hours at launch and bounced off of it hard due to bugs. It kept having memory errors and crashing, among other things. Playing that again with the fan patch is also high on my list.
     
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  12. JDR13 Prophet

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    Gothic 2 has aged really well imo. I always have the first 2 Gothics installed, and I'll boot them up once in awhile just to run around the game world and listen to those incredible soundtracks. Gothic 1 still looks great with just a basic texture pack installed.

    I'm not as enthusiastic about Gothic 3. Even with the fan patch, it doesn't feel like a complete game a lot of the time.
     
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  13. Sykar Arcane

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    Because it is.
     
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  14. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    I never played Gothic 3, but other than that I enjoyed all PB games overall, although in case of Risen 2 and Elex it was what I would call a "close call".

    I don't think G2 is MUCH better than Risen 1, but it is better. Risen 1 has definitely the best UI and controls in all PB games, by quite a distance and that actually means a lot to me.
     
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  15. Quillon Magister

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    If Risen and Gothic are comparable, Gothic must be a shit game.

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    just like Elex :troll:
     
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  16. janior Self-Ejected

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    Risen is boring uninspired garbage compared to Gothic 2.
     
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  17. adddeed Liturgist Possibly Retarded

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    Risen > Elex > Gothic 2 > Risen 2 > Gothic 1 > Risen 3 > Gothic 3
     
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  18. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Gothic 2 > Gothic > ELEX!! > Risen > Gothic 3 > Risen 2 > Risen 3
     
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  19. Bigg Boss Arcane

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    I haven't played any of them.
     
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  20. Peachcurl Educated

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    I know there's reasons not to mention them at all, but still...

    all of them > Arcania > Forsaken Gods
     
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    And the remake. I hated everything about it
    • I hated the high level of handholding
    • I hated that "hur dur consequenceless explosions" in the trade zone that nobody cares
    • I hated the slow unimmersive combat completely dissociated from the game world
    • I hated that potions insta transfer to your belly without a drinking animation
    • I hated the dialog wheels
    • I hated the graphics and most important the post processing and armor design
    • I hated the consolized UI
    • I hated the invisible walls
    • (...)
    • I hated the game so much that rage quieted after the first battle. A singlw Wolf who can tear a lv 0 guy apart on any Gothic game taking so long to kill me and being bullet spongees
    All gothic games(G1/G2/G3) are on the top RPG of all time from RPG codex https://rpgcodex.net/article.php?id=11193
     
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  22. Joni Odin von Hassenstein Arcane Patron

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    Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    It has already been said, but it's the atmosphere, the story and the world that make Gothic 2 distinctly better than Risen.

    I felt like Risen 3 was way less generic than Risen 1 and 2.
    Overall, Risen 1 might still be the better gaem overall, but when it comes to the feel of it, Risen 3 was the one Risen that at least tried to emulate the atmosphere of the Gothic series, and quite successfully so I think (in some areas that is, Calador for example).
     
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  23. JDR13 Prophet

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    Then you would probably be in a small minority.
     
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  24. Elex Arbiter

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    risen 3 is better than risen 2.
     
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