why the hate on BG3

[Humbaba]

The level cap is FUCKING 4???????

JA2 gave you 6 guys. BG3 gives you 4. JA2 is a better game than BG3. Therefore, 6 man parties are better than 4 man parties. I think the debate has been settled.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

except woops: your assertion was that no game ever had a 6-man party at a disadvantage. and that's just patently bullshit

nope.
maybe you just aren't good at tactical games?

again, in an ironman game, there is some use for a 6-man party, or at least a ton of replacement NPCs.

not really how BG3 is designed though, since no NPC is a throwaway and permadeath like disintegration isn't a thing, so it's a moot point. apples to oranges, as I said.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The level cap is FUCKING 4???????

In Early Access. We still don't know what the actual level cap will be for sure yet.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The only games with full party control that get close to being difficult are ones where you have no control over the units you're given, such as battle brothers.

 

[Humbaba]

disintegration isn't a thing

Next you're gonna tell me Imprisonment isn't in the game

 

[Humbaba]

The only games with full party control that get close to being difficult are ones where you have no control over the units you're given, such as battle brothers.

Do you unironically believe this?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Next you're gonna tell me Imprisonment isn't in the game

Disintegration of the party members leading to permadeath, I mean. The spell is probably there for you to use though. Don't know yet.

Imprisonment is something that may or may not be there. After all, it isn't permadeath. Then again, not sure we'll get to that high a level.

 

[Humbaba]

not sure we'll get to that high a level.

If you can't cast Imprisonment, Time Stop etc. in a DnD cRPG in current year then what IS the point?

 

[perfectslumbers]

Time Stop

No point if it's 5e timestop

• You briefly stop the flow of time for everyone but yourself. No time passes for other creatures, while you take 1d4 + 1 turns in a row, during which you can use actions and move as normal.
  This spell ends if one of the actions you use during this period, or any effects that you create during this period, affects a creature other than you or an object being worn or carried by someone other than you. In addition, the spell ends if you move to a place more than 1,000 feet from the location where you cast it.

 

[Grunker]

but to answer your question: because i like customization

your point that i still liked bg1&2 doesn't prove what you think it proves, since like i said, one of the things i always miss when playing bg1&2 is customization

So you're displeased with downsizing 6 party members to 4 is that there will be less customization, but you admit that there was no customization where there were 6 party members.

Ok.

"example 6 man party game didn't have character customization so 6 man party games can't have character customization"

 

[Joyvankek]

and I hate player controlled companions, you can't always get what you want

I sure do enjoy my games without a shitty A.I taking me out of an experience by being retarded, running straight at enemies it shouldn't and die or into my own aoe attacks/line of fire or even worse killing me by doing something like throwing bomb close to my position, blocking me by idiotic positioning and the list goes on... Companions that I need to constantly babysit are bigger of a problem to my RP, than I would have by just simply taking command of them.
Sure if there is a game with well programmed A.I I may give it a shoot, but otherwise I won't willingly subject myself to this kind of torment.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

not sure we'll get to that high a level.

If you can't cast Imprisonment, Time Stop etc. in a DnD cRPG in current year then what IS the point?

I think people like you will eventually get games companies to just skip leveling altogether and start off characters a meme spell casting superheroes.

I like lower-level campaigns, and if there were a sequel to BG3, it would make casting all those meme spells that much more satisfying, just like it did going from BG1 to BG2.

"example 6 man party game didn't have character customization so 6 man party games can't have character customization"

I get what you're saying, but I'm pointing out that you want something that wasn't there before. You're disappointed that Larian didn't make the game more to your liking, not disappointed that they're removing something you enjoyed or dumbing it down.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

and I hate player controlled companions, you can't always get what you want

I sure do enjoy my games without a shitty A.I taking me out of an experience by being retarded, running straight at enemies it shouldn't and die or into my own aoe attacks/line of fire or even worse killing me by doing something like throwing bomb close to my position, blocking me by idiotic positioning and the list goes on... Companion that I need to constantly babysit are bigger of a problem to my RP, than I would have by just simply take command of them.
Sure if there is a game with well programmed A.I I may give it a shoot, but otherwise I won't willingly subject myself to this kind of torment.

how come you guys never get equally upset by shitty enemy AI?
is it because you don't care about difficulty and just want to play the game on the easiest mode possible?

 

[Grunker]

maybe you just aren't good at tactical games?

maybe. but seeing you think underrail is difficult and i provided examples of things that are underrail-equivalent (fights in wizardry 8, scs, potd), you either have to agree with me or call yourself equally bad

 

[rusty_shackleford]

i provided examples of things that are underrail-equivalent (fights in wizardry 8, scs, potd)

no lol

unless you meant how long it takes for combat to complete in wiz8, then yeah maybe, that's the only difficulty it has

 

[perfectslumbers]

5e is best at low level and the best 5e games would cap it at level 5 tbh

 

[Cryomancer]

I don't get why people are complaining about party size = 4.

A lot of games has party size limit = 4, mainly from SSI. Just imagine the slow of a party size of 6/8+ low lethality of this game is and the ultra slow animation speed. Also, in 5E action economy is different. Having one more "pc" makes things way easier.

The level cap is FUCKING 4???????

Yep. Because Swen don't wanna a new ""tier"" in Early Access. The tiers of play is a retarded idea imported from 4E.

. Then again, not sure we'll get to that high a level.

Maybe, I repeat maybe we can get it as a once per campaign scroll, but I doubt that they will allow PCs to reach lv 17.

If you can't cast Imprisonment, Time Stop etc. in a DnD cRPG in current year then what IS the point?

Motion captured sex scenes dah!!

5e timestop

Almost every spell is ultra nerfed in 5E, like more nerfed than NWN2 without spell fixes.

 

[Grunker]

You're disappointed that Larian didn't make the game more to your liking, not disappointed that they're removing something you enjoyed or dumbing it down

when did i say i was

i'm not being polemic but i think you're making the same mistake as when last we discussed bg3, tossing me in with the rest of the anti-bg3 crowd which means you assumed i was criticizing some abstract failure to adhere to bg1/bg2 standards. i'm not. the game has potential weaknesses and strengths over bg1/2 (one big strength is that we know it will have a better character system, one big weakness is that its companions seem like they're absolute ass, but beyond that i really don't know much about the game except for the memes about barrelmancy which i hope won't be in the actual game that i'll be playing)

i'm just sad it's limited to four party members

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

No point if it's 5e timestop

Disgusting. All attempts to balance mages are stupid. Mages exist to be weak slugs at low level and atomic death machines at high level. A party should be sweating bullets at the prospect of taking on a high-level mage, not confident that there's only one of him and that his class is balanced so that he won't have any advantage.

underrail
difficult

the only difficult thing about underrail is resisting the urge to uninstall during the long-ass tutorial.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

when did i say was

You didn't say you weren't. If you're not upset about it and aren't implying that, then my clarification that it wasn't in the original is harmless.

memes about barrelmancy

these are just memes btw. many of the barrels in the EA area are gone already.

 

[Joyvankek]

how come you guys never get equally upset by shitty enemy AI?
is it because you don't care about difficulty and just want to play the game on the easiest mode possible?

How about instead of addressing some imaginary group from your delusions and building ad hominem on it, you put an actual effort into a counter argument, or just stfu if you haven't anything interesting to reply?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

How about instead of addressing some imaginary group from your delusions and building ad hominem on it, you put an actual effort into a counter argument, or just stfu if you haven't anything interesting to reply?

>imaginary group
hardly imaginary when they've posted hundreds of posts in the other thread.

it's always the same whit over and over. yes, Grunker says he's not like that or whatever, but he's still falling into the same pattern: complain about how it's different from the original game, offer arguments that make no sense, rinse repeat.

it's a lie to say rusty isn't putting any effort forth just because he mentions the fact that it's the same small group of faggots doing this after 2 pages of arguing about this topic.

edit: and yes, Grunker, I realize you say you're not upset by the fact that it's different from the originals, but the originals had six and you're sad there aren't 6. Maybe that's a big coincidence, but it's still functionally similar to being sad that it's not like the originals.

 

[perfectslumbers]

how come you guys never get equally upset by shitty enemy AI?

Lots of people complained about the simplistic AI in WOTR

is it because you don't care about difficulty and just want to play the game on the easiest mode possible?

Kind of. If you die because of your teammates shitty AI it's enraging. If an enemy dies because of it's teammates shitty AI it's simply a momentary immersion break.

Good enemy AI can improve a game a lot though. I remember being rly impressed by enemy tactics in Half Life 2. It would be awesome to play an RPG where enemies pull off clever moves.

 

[Grunker]

Grunker says he's not like that or whatever, but he's still falling into the same pattern: complain about how it's different from the original game

yes yes that's it that's all i'm doing it's not that you're such a deluded fanboy you literally can't read sentences

the game has potential weaknesses and strengths over bg1/2 (one big strength is that we know it will have a better character system

clearly i am a nostalgic bg3-hater who can only view it in the light of the sacrilege it's committing to bg2 about which i can say no evil

BG1&2 have near zero character customization after your character is made though

yes and it's one of my (maybe the tbh) strongest criticisms of the games, a giant blemish on the games

i'm totally in the rtwp-fanboy crowd too again because the original was rtwp so bg3 should be too right

it obviously makes more sense to make the game tb

and you have read my secret agenda about always shitting on the game

 

[rusty_shackleford]

"big parties good because customization"
but big parties don't always lead to more customization and there are games with a single character that offer more customization than most other games on the market
"..."
"big parties good"