World of Warcraft: Dragon Desperation

[GreyViper]

Currently doing the pre expansion event, the drop rate is not that bad, got the needed pieces from 2 bosses in first attempt and from ungorro one on 5th. Also good way to lvl the alts, don't think I'm going to visit Shadowlands even if it's free now since its content seems obsolete with coming Xpac.
I still think Legion was the height of WoW gaming.

 

[Sykar]

What I find most interesting is how some in this thread think WoW was ever a great game.

They played it with great people.

Classic and TBC were good. Though WoW is indeed overrated to hell for sure, now more than ever. Those ludicrous near perfect scores by slimy journos were a joke back then and they are an even bigger joke now.

 

[BlizzardStockholmSyndrome]

How long did it take you to level back in the day? Max level I mean, 6 months? a year? It was an adventure just getting there, talking to people, farming them numbers. It was the definition of "It's the journey, not the destination". The point of the game wasn't the endgame but getting to the endgame.
Now, the times have changed, the logic has changed, everybody and their grandmother are rushing to the end. It's like trying to speedrun through life to get those sweet pensionbux - fundamentally misunderstanding the point of it all.

 

[Frank Capicoli]

Looks like a Wildstar race.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Looks like a Wildstar race.

Is that some sort of euphemism for looks like shit?

 

[Cyberarmy]

Looks like a Wildstar race.

Hold up, no need to insult Wildstar now, may it RİP in pieces...

 

[Sarathiour]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

 

[Dadd]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

I never saw a single furry back then.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

I never saw a single furry back then.

Pandaren Worgen Vulpera Tauren and now Draktyls? Today wow has a lot of furry races.

 

[Dadd]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

I never saw a single furry back then.

Pandaren Worgen Vulpera Tauren and now Draktyls? Today wow has a lot of furry races.

Are they retroactively furries, or were they originally intended to be furries? I thought they were at first innocent creatures designed to appeal to kids.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

I never saw a single furry back then.

Pandaren Worgen Vulpera Tauren and now Draktyls? Today wow has a lot of furry races.

Are they retroactively furries, or were they originally intended to be furries? I thought they were at first innocent creatures designed to appeal to kids.

they look like deviant art furries lol

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

No one would have called my warrior a furry.

Does this guy look like a furry? No. He is not a furry.

Even the out-of-game art wasn't furry, be it Alex Horley's Tauren, or Glenn Rane's Worgen, or Wei Wang's and Bernie Kang's Pandaren.

This is not a furry.

This is not a furry.

This is not a furry.

WoW's turn to furryism began with MoP, when the ingame Pandaren we got didn't reflect the art. Instead we got those cutesy carebears. Worse, the character model revamp happened WoD, and my character got those cartoon eyes, though thankfully it wasn't full blown furry. Vulpera was the crossing the rubicon moment. They never should have been added to WoW, but then again the true spirit of Warcraft had died by that point.

Thank goodness the Tauren model revamp happened during WoD. If it had happened now...

*shivers*

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Except the in game models now indeed look as deviant art furries.

 

[Dadd]

Maybe the deviant artists got their ideas from WoW and forced them into a sexual context. Likewise theme park mascots weren't originally intended to be sexual (as far as I know) but became increasingly used for sexual purposes as the kids who had been exposed to such mascots grew older.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Dadd, you are about as naive as they come. I sometimes wish I lived in that bubble.

 

[Tacgnol]

What I find most interesting is how some in this thread think WoW was ever a great game.

They played it with great people.

I was on youtube the other day and one of the raids we did with my guild back in the day popped up on my feed. Hit me right in the feels to remember the old days.

Played with the same guild on and off from vanilla to legion. Did make me realise that most of my positive remembrances of wow were more about the people I played with rather than the content itself.

 

[Dadd]

Dadd, you are about as naive as they come. I sometimes wish I lived in that bubble.

Do you have any evidence that Blizzard planned the furry movement from the get go?

 

[Mary Sue Leigh]

I think it's true for many an MMO that the good memories is always about the community. UO or DAoC would have been pretty lackluster without it, but I remember making contacts and adventuring together. Experiences are priceless like going into a dungeon alone and biting off more than you can chew, being rescued by other players and then deciding to join forces, have a nice chat in the process. Later you would take on increasingly more difficult challenges and eventually join or form a guild together.
Therefore I think the social aspect would have to be my primary focus of making an MMO. Facilitate and necessitate player cooperation in an organic way. Modern MMOs are on the way out for a multitude of reasons, but not least of all because they can either be played solo entirely or rely on "insta parties" that form and disband automatically for just one off, specific purposes and streamline all communications to a point where there doesn't really need to be direct conversation. I think GW2 with its "public parties" for events really was the worst offender, no idea if they ever changed this.
Stripping all this social stuff away leaves MMOs as what they really are, very tedious and depressing games.
WoW certainly seems to have gone down that road.

 

[zangomango]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

I never saw a single furry back then.

Pandaren Worgen Vulpera Tauren and now Draktyls? Today wow has a lot of furry races.

Are they retroactively furries, or were they originally intended to be furries? I thought they were at first innocent creatures designed to appeal to kids.

Yeah, I feel like at first they were just designed as general monster races for variety. Seems like things just changed somewhere along the way. I didn't really notice it until the new DeviantArt expansion, can't unsee it now though.

 

[Dadd]

Kids being molested by pedophiles dressed as mascots and then those kids growing up with unusual sexual desires is a much more likely original cause of the furry situation than Blizzard pushing a covert furry agenda with seemingly innocuous creature designs.

 

[zangomango]

Well, I think some artistic kids just fell into certain crowds growing up being on the internet/deviantArt/social media, and got influenced from there, and now they're on the game's art team.

 

[J1M]

At this point, blizzard is just clinging to degenerate to try to stay relevant. OW for porn, and WoW for scalie.

What a rotten way to die.

The furry agenda of wow goes back to Pandaria

I never saw a single furry back then.

Pandaren Worgen Vulpera Tauren and now Draktyls? Today wow has a lot of furry races.

Are they retroactively furries, or were they originally intended to be furries? I thought they were at first innocent creatures designed to appeal to kids.

Yeah, I feel like at first they were just designed as general monster races for variety. Seems like things just changed somewhere along the way. I didn't really notice it until the new DeviantArt expansion, can't unsee it now though.

The worgen "model updates" is where it started. Possibly under the misguided notion of trying to make women play as a werewolf but quickly subverted.

 

[zangomango]

The male worgens look pretty decent to me personally. Female not as much.
Edit: Though looking at the old models, the males look cooler to me, more vicious/monster looking.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Shockingly bad art on that race.