Im staying vanilla for now, i want to see how they improved the game, make my judgement and then play with mods. Beside i dont want to risk ruining this because its ironman, so if something break, then im screwed.
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X-COM XCOM 2 + War of the Chosen Expansion Thread
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Im staying vanilla for now, i want to see how they improved the game, make my judgement and then play with mods. Beside i dont want to risk ruining this because its ironman, so if something break, then im screwed.
What do you start building if playing with Lost and Abandoned in WOTC?
GTS, then excavation then resistance ring?
But they can get XP now I think (I haven't played with them yet).
GTS, then excavation then resistance ring?
Same as always I'd say.
Nope, they have been replaced by Wall E.
But they can get XP now I think (I haven't played with them yet).
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Thanks for that. I hate having to find mods I like; this is an excellent list.
Don't play ironman then. What's the point? You will eventually start to feel bad for yourself by doing this shit, and even worse you will obsessively restart dozens of campaign, because you want everything to go perfectly. Just live with your decisions and losses.
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One wants the challenge of having to live with mistakes while being save from file corruption or simply the RNG bullshit that Nu-Com is so fond of.
You can sync your folder with local ironman saves with google cloud, or use folder copying tools that can do it automatically on file update. It;s not hard. That will prevent the save corruption loss, and you arent forced to use this saves in case something goes bad. Only weak willed people play ironman and then savescum,why do you play then to show off, to prove something? Maybe epenis is too small
Finished this yesterday on second-to-hardest difficulty Ironman. I never really left the "My God this is great" sensation that can often overwhelm you at the beginning of playing something new, which is good. I even came to like the special soldiers, because once you "get" the system, it's actually meshed fairly well with the core game. I didn't much like the ability point system, seemed too random to me and enabled a core 5-6 people as supersoldiers, which is not that fun, but pretty much everything else I loved. The Chosen were a really well-designed addition to the core game.
I did however sour on the balance. The game stills snowballs hard, so during the last third of the game I had 8+ Colonels but could win missions with just seargents without taking a single casualty, which made the last part of the game much more lackluster than the first two-thirds. The problem is that there's a very small plateau where the game is balanced, but if you tip your strength slightly in one direction, you will either lose hard or win easy.
I did however sour on the balance. The game stills snowballs hard, so during the last third of the game I had 8+ Colonels but could win missions with just seargents without taking a single casualty, which made the last part of the game much more lackluster than the first two-thirds. The problem is that there's a very small plateau where the game is balanced, but if you tip your strength slightly in one direction, you will either lose hard or win easy.
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Silva
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So is it shit or not? Couple pages ago it was shit, now it's marvelous. Wtf
I played the free weekend of XCOM2, and while I really enjoyed the combat I got very annoyed by how they keep interrupting you with story exposition and little cutscenes. Do they eventually stop doing this and just let you freely play the game like in the original X-Com? It felt like I was stuck in a tutorial for 5 hours.
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From what I recall from playing it around it's release, the cutscenes and exposition fizzles out pretty quickly.
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There's the fixed first mission, the (optional) Chosen intro mission and then Bradford's babble whenever you meet a new alien, which can be cut down a fair bit by disabling beginner VO.
That's it.
That said, that (optional) Chosen mission is a pretty long 2-part mission, and when you first try the expansion, they really bombard you with all the new features straight away, so it feels like a long tutorial. This feeling is gone the next time you start a campaign.
There's some baggage from vanilla XCom 2 that carries over, though: the fixed blacksite mission gets pretty boring and those cutscenes do repeat. Thankfully they're mercifully short and in-mission.
That's it.
That said, that (optional) Chosen mission is a pretty long 2-part mission, and when you first try the expansion, they really bombard you with all the new features straight away, so it feels like a long tutorial. This feeling is gone the next time you start a campaign.
There's some baggage from vanilla XCom 2 that carries over, though: the fixed blacksite mission gets pretty boring and those cutscenes do repeat. Thankfully they're mercifully short and in-mission.
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You will have the same opinion of the xpack as you do of the base game, or slightly more positive.
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Seems xpack made strategic parts better but same shitty combat parts or even worse with hero additions on both sides. And end game even easier.
CthuluIsSpy
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So...is War of the Chosen worth buying as is, or should I wait for a sale / bug fixes?
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If you are asking the question, the answer is no, wait for sale.
QFT, except my opinion is slightly more positive+
The difficulty really took a dive after killing the Chosens. You still have a steady stream of resources and benefits from Covert Actions, they also give another way to decrease Avatar Project progression block so it's not a huge matter anymore. The Chosens died and took the progression racing along which turned the scale of power to XCOM's side way too much. By the time I played the Blacksite Vial mission, my team got equipped with Plasma Weapons, one shotting troopers and killing Muton/Andromedon in a single turn already. This is on Veteran difficulty though so take it with a huge grain of salt 
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Ironman Legendary difficulty or bust.The difficulty really took a dive after killing the Chosens. You still have a steady stream of resources and benefits from Covert Actions, they also give another way to decrease Avatar Project progression block so it's not a huge matter anymore. The Chosens died and took the progression racing along which turned the scale of power to XCOM's side way too much. By the time I played the Blacksite Vial mission, my team got equipped with Plasma Weapons, one shotting troopers and killing Muton/Andromedon in a single turn already. This is on Veteran difficulty though so take it with a huge grain of salt
Veteran is only called that so noobs like you think they actually accomplished something instead of knowing they are still pathetic noobs.
Balance is still a problem even on legendary.
After a while you re too op and steamroll everything to the point it ends being boring to play till the end.
Firaxis fucked up by adding all early-mid new enemies and leaving late untouched.
They could have added new late threats or bosses, the game is already full of early mid stuff lol
Such a missed chance
After a while you re too op and steamroll everything to the point it ends being boring to play till the end.
Firaxis fucked up by adding all early-mid new enemies and leaving late untouched.
They could have added new late threats or bosses, the game is already full of early mid stuff lol
Such a missed chance
I'm waiting a better advent cause it will add new late game enemies.
Anyway, don't get me wrong, the game is very good and fun before u reach tier 3 and defeat chosen, my complain is only related to late game, not about game difficulty in general.
Anyway, don't get me wrong, the game is very good and fun before u reach tier 3 and defeat chosen, my complain is only related to late game, not about game difficulty in general.
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I tried this, found it bad. Mostly because you start with no good ways to manage longer engagements, so the whole thing just turned into a popamole simulator.
It probably gets better as game goes on, but early on it is mostly boring imo
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impressions so far:
Priest - meh in the beginning, ain in the ass later on. They have that annoying skill that prevents them from dieing, leaving them in stasis with 1 hp and only way to kill them is to overwatch because they came out of stasis and can do lots of shit to your soldiers. Plus, they get shitload of armor in elite and veteran versions.
Flamethrower - Made to counter uber melee rangers, have a chance to explode and it sucks. I t attracts lost, it blows cars, and if they are near VIP you have to capture you have to drive them away.
Spectre - I hate damn things, they are immune to overwatch, they can take down soldiers just by reaching them. So far most unfun alien, like worse version of viper.
Timed mission are rare now. Seems like Firaxis took notice that everyone hated the timers and with great variety of missions times ones are rare and with double timers option this degenerate mechanics be ignored. Good riddance.
Avatar could be mitigated better, with new options to reduce avatar counter common situations from XCom2, when you lose just because you cannot reach the factory due to contacts limit, supply limit etc., is almost impossible. Covert actions could reduce the counter and give you time to reach the facility.
Chosen are a pain, especially with lots of actions in their disposal. They can turn victorious mission into a mess. Rewards for killing them is kind of...ok, apart from removing shitty effects of sabotage and covert actions, they provide weapons with all upgrades installed. That means 15% to take another action after shooting, 10% to kill instantly etc.
Waiting fro 20 turns for aliens to come at you now have repercussions - the longer you stay more tired your soldiers become. severl 5 turn mission can barely affect tiredness, but one 20 turn can send all your soldiers to tired status. Sending tired soldiers into battle is a bad idea - game will turn into Darkest Dungeon, because once soldiers will reach Shaken status, they start getting negative traits, which is ANNOYING AS HELL. Compulsive reloader or Cautious can ruin your mission. in the most crucial moment. They also made burning status healable by hunker down, so it is no longer "king of all statuses"
So far, game is good, it's clearlly not a DLC money grab and new features adding a lot to the game and, most importantly, fixing a lot of flaws. Pod system is here to stay but I doubt this cancer of nuXcoms could be healed.
Templar ending also indicates underwater threat and 80% that X-Com 3 will take place in a X-Com 2 storyline, with fighting against new enemies, from which Elders fled.
Overall, I was expectin to be disappointed by WotC, given previous Firaxis DLC history, and quite happy I was wrong.
Priest - meh in the beginning, ain in the ass later on. They have that annoying skill that prevents them from dieing, leaving them in stasis with 1 hp and only way to kill them is to overwatch because they came out of stasis and can do lots of shit to your soldiers. Plus, they get shitload of armor in elite and veteran versions.
Flamethrower - Made to counter uber melee rangers, have a chance to explode and it sucks. I t attracts lost, it blows cars, and if they are near VIP you have to capture you have to drive them away.
Spectre - I hate damn things, they are immune to overwatch, they can take down soldiers just by reaching them. So far most unfun alien, like worse version of viper.
Timed mission are rare now. Seems like Firaxis took notice that everyone hated the timers and with great variety of missions times ones are rare and with double timers option this degenerate mechanics be ignored. Good riddance.
Avatar could be mitigated better, with new options to reduce avatar counter common situations from XCom2, when you lose just because you cannot reach the factory due to contacts limit, supply limit etc., is almost impossible. Covert actions could reduce the counter and give you time to reach the facility.
Chosen are a pain, especially with lots of actions in their disposal. They can turn victorious mission into a mess. Rewards for killing them is kind of...ok, apart from removing shitty effects of sabotage and covert actions, they provide weapons with all upgrades installed. That means 15% to take another action after shooting, 10% to kill instantly etc.
Waiting fro 20 turns for aliens to come at you now have repercussions - the longer you stay more tired your soldiers become. severl 5 turn mission can barely affect tiredness, but one 20 turn can send all your soldiers to tired status. Sending tired soldiers into battle is a bad idea - game will turn into Darkest Dungeon, because once soldiers will reach Shaken status, they start getting negative traits, which is ANNOYING AS HELL. Compulsive reloader or Cautious can ruin your mission. in the most crucial moment. They also made burning status healable by hunker down, so it is no longer "king of all statuses"
So far, game is good, it's clearlly not a DLC money grab and new features adding a lot to the game and, most importantly, fixing a lot of flaws. Pod system is here to stay but I doubt this cancer of nuXcoms could be healed.
Templar ending also indicates underwater threat and 80% that X-Com 3 will take place in a X-Com 2 storyline, with fighting against new enemies, from which Elders fled.
Overall, I was expectin to be disappointed by WotC, given previous Firaxis DLC history, and quite happy I was wrong.
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