X-COM XCOM 2 + War of the Chosen Expansion Thread

[Morgoth]

Makes sense. Fantasy was the missing genre in their portfolio. Well let's hope this won't be more generic DOTA/Warcraft/LoL crap.

 

[eXalted]

Fall from Heaven the Role Playing Game

 

[Galdred]

I hope there is still some time to patent my concept of fantasy XCOM!

 

[Mazisky]

I would die for a Xcom in a fantasy setting.

 

[Agame]

I would die for a Xcom in a fantasy setting.

BB kind of? Though it utterly fails at strategy layer which really hurts...

 

[Galdred]

I would die for a Xcom in a fantasy setting.

BB kind of? Though it utterly fails at strategy layer which really hurts...

BB has little fantasy element for the player, and no management.
It plays rather like a turn based Mount and Blade actually (in the earlier version where you could not get land and a keep).

 

[eXalted]

Started playing Long War 2 for the first time. Damn, I love the guerilla warfare feel of it, compared to the "Power Rangers on a Helicarrier" feel of WotC.

 

[ArchAngel]

I played wotc once and then installed LW2 again. Too bad lw2 does not work on superior engine of wotc.
There is some attempt to port lw2 into it but it is in early alpha.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

I never bought WotC and only have played LW2, is there any reason to get WoTC? Everything I have read seems to point to Lw2 being superior.

 

[Mazisky]

I never bought WotC and only have played LW2, is there any reason to get WoTC? Everything I have read seems to point to Lw2 being superior.

If you are an hardcore gamer and you loved LW2 stick with it, if you are a normal player and you've found LW2 confusing\complex WOTC is superior.

 

[Jimmious]

Or if you have less time, WoTC is superior

 

[ArchAngel]

I never bought WotC and only have played LW2, is there any reason to get WoTC? Everything I have read seems to point to Lw2 being superior.

If you just want to have casual fun and blow shit up with Superheroes then get WotC. It completely changes the game, it is no longer your standard Xcom formula, it is now a superhero fantasy show.

It is also the most unfair business decision since loot boxes. Xcom 2 vanilla was released buggy and unfinished and borderline broken. Expansion brings many fixes to the engine, optimizations and stuff but none of that is for Xcom 2 vanilla.
You have to buy the superhero shit along with engine fixes. I would suggest you avoid giving money to Firaxis and fund such shitty business practice.

 

[Mazisky]

To be honest, even with its flaws, Wotc is still the best modern turn based game avaiable on the market.

 

[ArchAngel]

Only if you prefer Superhero games.

 

[Mazisky]

I can forgive the superhero stuff when i have a long single player campaign, lot of fun, tons of maps, very good graphics, awesome soundtrack, lot of classes, lot of enemies, lot of abilities, lot of different missions. It's an excellent single player strategy experience.

 

[mastroego]

I had lots of fun with that as well (heavily modded Wotc of course).

Though I am again playing through Long War 1 - overhauled with the Long War Rebalance "ModMod" (which is a pretty radical rebalance plus fixes, new features, Ease of Use additions and so on).

 

[Mazisky]

I wish they will announce Xcom 3 this year. They are working on it since 2017, a late 2019 announce with 2020 release seems likeable.

 

[Zeriel]

I hope they go back to the classic XCOM feel with it, I think I'm off the train if not. 2 had its interesting bits but in practice the ways it departed from the original formula really illustrated how much of that original formula was what made XCOM so magical. I'm mostly talking about setting stuff here since the first one of course departed from the DOS games a lot too, but just losing that incongrous sense of "aliens in ordinary/pastoral setting" was a big deal. Probably didn't help that XCOM 2 has a grand total of *1* UFO mission, which is set to trigger and then populate very late in the campaign.

It also used scripted missions a lot more extensively than the first one, which I think didn't help matters. I'm sure that made it play better for press/reviewers, but I far preferred the vague gestures at a systemic game they managed in 1, even if that was flawed compared to the DOS versions. 1 basically only had the alien base + final track as feeling very scripted and on rails, that feeling is more present throughout all of 2.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

okay, thanks those are helpful responses actually. I much prefer the 'down to earth' guerilla soldier feel. In fact I would like it to be even more like that really, so WoTC would defiantly not be my kind of thing.

The reason I asked at all was because I had not played in awhile so I went to the workshop to look at any new mods I might add to my LW2 game but every single MOD seems to need WoTC. But its pointless to get WoTC if I am only going to play LW2 since they are not compatible.

But I had been having fun and making progress in LW2 previously--although I don't think I had come anywhere near to finishing it. I had stopped playing for awhile thinking the LW2 modders might somehow merge WoTc with Lw2 at some point, but it does not seem like its going to happen, so I think I am going to go ahead and start playing it again.

 

[ArchAngel]

okay, thanks those are helpful responses actually. I much prefer the 'down to earth' guerilla soldier feel. In fact I would like it to be even more like that really, so WoTC would defiantly not be my kind of thing.

The reason I asked at all was because I had not played in awhile so I went to the workshop to look at any new mods I might add to my LW2 game but every single MOD seems to need WoTC. But its pointless to get WoTC if I am only going to play LW2 since they are not compatible.

But I had been having fun and making progress in LW2 previously--although I don't think I had come anywhere near to finishing it. I had stopped playing for awhile thinking the LW2 modders might somehow merge WoTc with Lw2 at some point, but it does not seem like its going to happen, so I think I am going to go ahead and start playing it again.

There is a modder that is trying to do that but that mod is very far away from being finished.
And once Phoenix Point is released it might not even matter.

 

[Mazisky]

I hope they go back to the classic XCOM feel with it, I think I'm off the train if not. 2 had its interesting bits but in practice the ways it departed from the original formula really illustrated how much of that original formula was what made XCOM so magical. I'm mostly talking about setting stuff here since the first one of course departed from the DOS games a lot too, but just losing that incongrous sense of "aliens in ordinary/pastoral setting" was a big deal. Probably didn't help that XCOM 2 has a grand total of *1* UFO mission, which is set to trigger and then populate very late in the campaign.

It also used scripted missions a lot more extensively than the first one, which I think didn't help matters. I'm sure that made it play better for press/reviewers, but I far preferred the vague gestures at a systemic game they managed in 1, even if that was flawed compared to the DOS versions. 1 basically only had the alien base + final track as feeling very scripted and on rails, that feeling is more present throughout all of 2.

I agree with that, the overal mood and theme was the weakest point of Xcom 2 imho. I would prefere a return to the horror vibe and the hitech organization vs alien invasion.

 

[eXalted]

The reason I asked at all was because I had not played in awhile so I went to the workshop to look at any new mods I might add to my LW2 game but every single MOD seems to need WoTC. But its pointless to get WoTC if I am only going to play LW2 since they are not compatible.

Actually there are quite a lot LW2 compatible mods.

You can check the mods that I currently play with - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1812065953 .

Mostly quality of life mods, as close to vanilla LW2 feel as possible. No custom classes and other shit. Some good map mods too. No Armor Cosmetics and Voicesets included.

 

[Perkel]

Imho they should go for apocalypse like design.
Paying for destroyed buildings, human organizations working for aliens etc.
I always liked that game and loved concept.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

okay, thanks those are helpful responses actually. I much prefer the 'down to earth' guerilla soldier feel. In fact I would like it to be even more like that really, so WoTC would defiantly not be my kind of thing.

The reason I asked at all was because I had not played in awhile so I went to the workshop to look at any new mods I might add to my LW2 game but every single MOD seems to need WoTC. But its pointless to get WoTC if I am only going to play LW2 since they are not compatible.

But I had been having fun and making progress in LW2 previously--although I don't think I had come anywhere near to finishing it. I had stopped playing for awhile thinking the LW2 modders might somehow merge WoTc with Lw2 at some point, but it does not seem like its going to happen, so I think I am going to go ahead and start playing it again.

There is a modder that is trying to do that but that mod is very far away from being finished.
And once Phoenix Point is released it might not even matter.

that is the other thing I am thinking too, that PHX point will make it moot.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

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The reason I asked at all was because I had not played in awhile so I went to the workshop to look at any new mods I might add to my LW2 game but every single MOD seems to need WoTC. But its pointless to get WoTC if I am only going to play LW2 since they are not compatible.

Actually there are quite a lot LW2 compatible mods.

You can check the mods that I currently play with - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1812065953 .

Mostly quality of life mods, as close to vanilla LW2 feel as possible. No custom classes and other shit. Some good map mods too. No Armor Cosmetics and Voicesets included.

oh I have a lot of mods. I was just checking the most popular mods released in the last 6 months list and noticing those in particular all seemed to be made for WoTC . I have like 50 mods added to my Lw2 game at least, most are just visual or quality of life.