Manjuice Nutella
Arcane
What? Only Hlaalu ceased to exist because of being ostracized as Empire sellout traitors. Telvanni is fine. Although Redoran is the most powerful house overall, Telvanni is the intellectual elite now.
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Yet Another Morrowind Thread
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What? Only Hlaalu ceased to exist because of being ostracized as Empire sellout traitors. Telvanni is fine. Although Redoran is the most powerful house overall, Telvanni is the intellectual elite now.
Clockwork Knight
Arcane
The Telvanni got facerolled by the argonian invaders after the Red mountain shat all over the place.
Serves them right. Century-old wizards should've known that a guild that runs on backstabium doesn't last long.
Serves them right. Century-old wizards should've known that a guild that runs on backstabium doesn't last long.
DraQ
Arcane
But it's oblibians?
Manjuice Nutella
Arcane
Utgard-Loki
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"Circa 4E 6, the last remaining stronghold of the House was sacked by the Argonian invasion force and Great House Telvanni fell. It is documented that some survivors attempted to flee aboard The Pride of Tel Vos, a ship which was later found wrecked along the coast of Skyrim, east of Winterhold."
i don't know if this first popped up in skyrim, or one of the books. either way it's fucking stupid. i can just imagine centuries old, artifact bling wearing, daedra pet keeping wizards that can teleport and fly, cowering in fear of the
my reinterpretation of that is that the argonians just killed off the non-magelord noble house telvanni members and a bunch of retainers/mercenaries while trying not to get too close to port telvannis and other death-raining-from-the-sky hotspots.
Clockwork Knight
Arcane
Being an awesome wizard sitting on your awesome tower probably doesn't count for much when you have waves and waves of opportunistic invaders intent on bringing ITZ to your kind, one by one. The argonians aren't just retarded zerg rush spearchuckers, either.
House Telvani definitely still exists, not only is that dude in Dragonborn but he also talks about the House as still being around and lets you join it.
I read somewhere a long time ago the head of the Blades in Oblivion was originally supposed to be Cosades but they changed it during development. That could have been a load of shit someone made up, but they do look alike to some degree.
I read somewhere a long time ago the head of the Blades in Oblivion was originally supposed to be Cosades but they changed it during development. That could have been a load of shit someone made up, but they do look alike to some degree.
DraQ
Arcane
Wizard needs food badly.
Also this. Argonians may lack in terms of technical civilization (durr, swamps), but they are intelligent and have magical aptitude on par with Dunmer, on average basis.
They have magic users and quite certainly some badass ones too, even if they have been glossed over by the lore written so far.
I would expect some unaccounted for survivors (Fyr, for instance), but other than that it had to be messy.
They probably still had it better than most of Dres, though.
Clockwork Knight
Arcane
Genma:TheDestroyer
Arcane
Sad thing is the one I really wanted to survive, Baladas...would have stood his ground.
At least there's the satisfaction of knowing Arvs-Drelen probably housed a metric shit-ton of Argonian corpses by the end. You don't walk into the lair of a millenia old Telvanni who studied and built Dwemer constructs and had a Daedra summoning circle then walk out in one piece.
At least there's the satisfaction of knowing Arvs-Drelen probably housed a metric shit-ton of Argonian corpses by the end. You don't walk into the lair of a millenia old Telvanni who studied and built Dwemer constructs and had a Daedra summoning circle then walk out in one piece.
Genma:TheDestroyer
Arcane
Anyway, yeah, join the Telvanni. This sums it up:
"If you steal from another Telvanni, but still live, then clearly you deserve whatever you stole. Murdering your opponents by magic or treachery is the traditional way of settling disputes. If you win, then clearly your argument has more merit." - Master Aryon
"If you steal from another Telvanni, but still live, then clearly you deserve whatever you stole. Murdering your opponents by magic or treachery is the traditional way of settling disputes. If you win, then clearly your argument has more merit." - Master Aryon
DraQ
Arcane
Except, you know, Caius wasn't a Breton.He could be Caius under another name, since he's a spymaster and all.
Actually that would be quite possible - Arvs Drelen was deep in Redoran territory - not a place hordes of angry lizards would visit looking for Telvanni blood.
The one obstacle I can see is that Ba(la)das may have been dead by canon even by the time of Oblivion - there was a writ on his life in Morrowind.
Clockwork Knight
Arcane
iirc Brand-Shei is just sure he's the last of his family, which were all massacred by the argonians. He initially isn't even sure if he's really a telvanni. Brelyna is from an actual wizard family. Since they can afford sending their daughters on exchange programs, there's likely plenty of Telvanni left, only not numerous and powerful enough to have political power.
Construction Set data isn't canon
(can you tell Bretons and Imperials apart without looking at their names? I sure can't)
On a more serious note:
Except, you know, Caius wasn't a Breton.He could be Caius under another name, since he's a spymaster and all.
Construction Set data isn't canon
(can you tell Bretons and Imperials apart without looking at their names? I sure can't)
On a more serious note:
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deuxhero
Arcane
I remember a character in Morrowind telling me he holds his skooma surprisingly well, so yeah, likely faking it.
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DraQ
Arcane
Or maybe he just doesn't have absolute infallible knowledge, similarly to pretty much every character in TES?
Dustin542
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I'm just referring to the "heir to house telvanni" bit in the journal you find.
Clockwork Knight
Arcane
The journal's author (Brand-Shei's dad) probably assumed they were the only survivors, since they were hidden in a basement while they could hear the argonians killing everyone outside. But since Brandy states he was adopted by an argonian, the implication is that they were found later and one of the invaders took pity on him. He imports his wares from Morrowind, so he's probably aware there are other Telvannis still alive.
The TES lore people (what's left of them) often make a point of saying characters don't know everything and can assume or make shit up. That's a big thing for them, not taking every bit of dialog as canon evidence.
I would certainly say there is enough evidence to assume Telvani still exist on some level.
I would certainly say there is enough evidence to assume Telvani still exist on some level.
DraQ
Arcane
This. Two important things about TES lore is that people can be wrong and make shit up and that player isn't told when or what is actually true.
One of the major failures of oblivion is not that it contradicted stuff previously stated in game, but that it contradicted a lot of stuff that was verifiable, common knowledge.
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