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The Chad pimpled face nerd vs the virgin soy hipster faggot.
So ancient nerds were high T individuals?
Learn by use makes the main level irrelevant. Maybe they don't even implement one.
Didn't Wiz 8, Prelude to Darkness, Jagged Alliance, Dungeon Master, Betrayal at Krondor, and many other well-regarded RPGs use such systems with great effect? The Elder Scroll system is so prone to 'abuse' because making you the master of all trades and factions was the goal not because the system itself is so prone to abuse. As for our take on it:Vault Dweller any thoughts re: the comments here on “improve by using” skill systems and it’s implementation in the Colony Ship RPG?
I realize you don’t have an open world and there are caps per fight/action but since you’ve given it more thought than a lot of the armchair quarterbacks here, I’m curious about your take.
E.g. in Skyrim the optimal way to play a melee character is to take as many hits as possible in each minor encounter to increase you armor skill. Which is retarded.
An open world and a learn by doing system doesn't bode well IMO.
Wiz 8?An open world and a learn by doing system doesn't bode well IMO.
Wait.. Wizardry games are not made by japs?Wiz 8?
Why give such advantage to heavy armor only? Isnt there light armor and some sort of medium armor, or just heavy armor and dodging-evasion?Armor: When the enemy hits your party member, that character gains learning points equal to damage resisted by the armor until the pool is depleted, so the heavier the armor the faster you’d develop the skill.
What actually differentiates solving with diplomacy only from solving with diplomacy and then killing everyone? Say, im careful to solve it through diplomacy instead of just randomly clicking all dialogue options and then i kill everyone.You gain 10lp every time you pick a tagged line (the points go to the skill matching the tag) plus 100 bonus points if you solve a quest with diplomacy. This way a pure talker would have much higher dialogue skills than a chatty killer (a man who clicks on all dialogue options first to gain all LP, then kills everyone anyway).
I haven't played it, but I've played Morrowind and a little Oblivion.Wiz 8?An open world and a learn by doing system doesn't bode well IMO.
You should, it's a very good game.I haven't played it, but I've played Morrowind and a little Oblivion.Wiz 8?An open world and a learn by doing system doesn't bode well IMO.
First, the current design is nothing but a starting point. We'll see what the players have to say after playing the combat demo and tweak accordingly. As for armor, the progression is similar to AoD. You start with light (and less restrictive) armor and slowly acquire heavier armor. Heavier isn't necessarily better for your character as it reduces your AP and sneaking (it didn't matter much in AoD but it will matter a lot in this game).Why give such advantage to heavy armor only? Isnt there light armor and some sort of medium armor, or just heavy armor and dodging-evasion?Armor: When the enemy hits your party member, that character gains learning points equal to damage resisted by the armor until the pool is depleted, so the heavier the armor the faster you’d develop the skill.
Since it's not a sandbox game, the learning opportunities are hand-crafted and thus limited.Is there any limit to which and how many of different skills each character can take? Or is the limit achieved just by the fact a single character would, for example, fix everything and so increase the mechanical and electronic skills while others then wont be able to find enough of stuff to repair and salvage?
In most cases you won't be able. For example, in one of the early quests you'd have to deal with some thugs extorting a local trader. You can kill them or convince them to leave. If you choose the latter, they're gone when the conversation is over, so there isn't anyone left to kill. Essentially, the early quests are about choosing which skills you want to develop and it's usually a trade off.What actually differentiates solving with diplomacy only from solving with diplomacy and then killing everyone? Say, im careful to solve it through diplomacy instead of just randomly clicking all dialogue options and then i kill everyone.You gain 10lp every time you pick a tagged line (the points go to the skill matching the tag) plus 100 bonus points if you solve a quest with diplomacy. This way a pure talker would have much higher dialogue skills than a chatty killer (a man who clicks on all dialogue options first to gain all LP, then kills everyone anyway).
Such combat will be extremely difficult and only a combat specialist (who wasted no time on non-combat skills) would be able to pull it off. Think of wiping out the mountain pass' garrison in AoD. Maybe a few dozen players were able to do it.What if I get diplomacy points, go away and then return later and kill everyone in that location?
No. It's not about wearing a disguise but acting the part (i.e. the right attitude, mannerism, way of talking, etc).Will impersonate require anything else except dialogue choices?
That doesnt tell me much. Do you mean that skills like medicine, electronics and others will be only gained from the gameplay decisions? Not a part of character creation? Or everyone starts will all skills "available" but can only improve those which character uses?Since it's not a sandbox game, the learning opportunities are hand-crafted and thus limited.
Evasion won't be as powerful as AoD's dodge, so it will be more like a strong bonus rather than primary defense. There will be cover, smoke grenades, and gadgets such as energy shield (extra DR) or distortion field (penalty to hit for enemies) or cloaking field (you'll become visible for a brief moment when you attack).Alright. Seems reasonable.
If i got that correctly, characters with lighter armor will then use dodge and evasion primarily as a defense, similar how it is in AoD?
We'll consider all suggestions after the demo is released. Right now both skills (armor and evasion) seems to be going up at an appropriate rate.In that case giving heavy armor such advantage would make sense. Maybe - just maybe, hard to say not knowing other details, LP points gained from light armor damage could be spent on evasion skill? maybe 50% of them, less, something?
Just a thought.
All skills will be available to all characters, you'll be able to increase them in chargen, during gameplay interactions, and via learning machines.That doesnt tell me much. Do you mean that skills like medicine, electronics and others will be only gained from the gameplay decisions? Not a part of character creation? Or everyone starts will all skills "available" but can only improve those which character uses?Since it's not a sandbox game, the learning opportunities are hand-crafted and thus limited.
We'll consider all suggestions after the demo is released.
Our animator is seriously ill. He's been hospitalized but it didn't help much, so his progress is slow. We're still looking at two months of work.
What, even I could do it and I'm 60% tactically disabled.Maybe a few dozen players were able to do it.
E.g. in Skyrim the optimal way to play a melee character is to take as many hits as possible in each minor encounter to increase you armor skill. Which is retarded.
You are retarded, not the system. Optimal way? What is optimal about that? Optimal means efficient. If you are an OCD'd retard with a grinding playstyle ready to waste hours and hours on dumb shit then that's your problem.