more complex character progression then pathfinder

[eli]

does anyone know any CRPGs with a more complex character progression than pathfinder? I am currently playing Daggerfall and I feel it isn't that complex as the game I mentioned. thanks.

 

[racofer]

Fallout 3.

 

[Denim Destroyer]

Realms of Arkania series, just stay away from the HD versions.

 

[luj1]

Wizards & Warriors

 

[Desiderius]

does anyone know any CRPGs with a more complex character progression than pathfinder? I am currently playing Daggerfall and I feel it isn't that complex as the game I mentioned. thanks.

Complex how?



Just autolevel your toons and marvel at how they blow away all the complextards.

 

[Desiderius]

Realms of Arkania series, just stay away from the HD versions.

Were the other half of the missing spells and abilities implemented in Star Trail?

 

[Gregz]

does anyone know any CRPGs with a more complex character progression than pathfinder? I am currently playing Daggerfall and I feel it isn't that complex as the game I mentioned. thanks.

Diablo II Median XL 1.F9 or ZAngband.

The (Class X Skill Tree X Gear) variations are probably in the billions, with hundreds of viable builds.

 

[NJClaw]

Apparently, Mass Effect needs a builds guide, so I don't know what to think about character progression anymore, honestly.

 

[Serious_Business]

it isn't that complex as the game I mentioned

Which one was that

Look buddy when you get old you forget things

Just trying to level up my toons over here

 

[Chippy]

People still looking for evolution/innovation, etc in games.

Stuff is still the same as it was 20 years ago. Only thing that changes is how well the stuff is done, how much of it remains in comparison to the benchmarks set (IE games & Fallout 1 & 2), and by comparsion how much is removed. E.g. Games like Shadowrun not implementing stealth for your characters. Pickpocket being removed (in most/all games).

Complex character creation at this ppoint should be the game running on the Pathfinder ruleset, and then devlopers adding stuff to make the game more complex. Like imagine having a seperate feat selection of generic 'traits' that enable characters to do what Talion could do in Shadows Of Mordor. So: ride animals, blow up barrels, interrogate enemies, intimidate enemies, gather information on enemy weaknesses, etc.

I know it'll be like making exponentially more games with all the work, but if you compare what games could do yesterday to what they could do today - were actually getting less complex games. I could start bitching about features as well, but it's not really the same as complex character progression...

 

[Sweeper]

CRPGs

Not really.
But Diablo 2, PoE (that's Path, not Pillars), Grim Dawn.

 

[Funposter]

I am currently playing Daggerfall and I feel it isn't that complex as the game I mentioned. thanks.

Daggerfall has extremely in-depth character creation but the progression is very simple. I don't really know you'd ever use it as an example.

 

[Pink Eye]

Which game are you even talking about, OP. Anyways, Knights of the Chalice 2. The complexity lies in party building.

 

[Ataraxia]

https://www.starstable.com/en/

 

[anvi]

EverQuest which no longer exists except a few emulators. P99 is great but they spy on your computer.

 

[Jigby]

nwn with PRC installed.

 

[Darth Canoli]

does anyone know any CRPGs with a more complex character progression than pathfinder? I am currently playing Daggerfall and I feel it isn't that complex as the game I mentioned. thanks.

Wizardry 8
KotC 2
Colony Ship seems to fare very well in that department too
AoD
Darklands

 

[V_K]

Wizardry 6 to 8, Wizards&Warriors, Grimoire.
Voidspire Tactics and its sequels.

 

[Nortar]

Troubleshooter.
I would not say it rivals PKM, but the masteries system is pretty complex.