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[Morenatsu.]

One can deprive meaning from all things that can be put into words, the very words them-self form meaning. Not all meaning are true/valid/objective. Not all meanings are of use, of benefit. Plentiful as if they were sand grains, by them-self they are worth-less.

The sentence argues that the value of the words is more important than the craft, yet this does not seem to be supported on many economical cases "words are cheap" thus the true value cannot be placed in its meaning. Without the product of the craft, these is not much meaning which can be deprived.

Nobody means the definitions of words when they talk of ‘meaning’ in things. And just because something can be meaningless doesn't mean meaning isn't important. And I disagree, real meaning is quite rare. And by the way, you meant ‘derive’, not ‘deprive’.

‘Words are cheap’ means the opposite of what you think it means. Words are cheaper than action, and talent is cheaper than wisdom, because words are just another craft that isn't inherently meaningful. Do you understand what I mean?

The works of Michelangelo contradict such statements. His degree of sculpting art/skill/craft provided/included detail not seen before, or rarely seen, the detail/depiction of blood-veins on stone(details are important) thus he is regarded among the highest of his craft/art/caliber in these times. There is less room, less variation in meaning, while other works/sculpting/statues have the same/similar meaning, despite that his works are most valued(the true value in craft over meaning).

Nobody really cares about how detailed a painting or sculpture is, that's not what makes them interesting.

 

[samuraigaiden]

Somebody thinks they are smart because they went to college.

 

[Rincewind]

Somebody thinks they are smart because they went to college.

Or because they didn't.

 

[samuraigaiden]

If the cap fits let them wear it, but my jab was aiming at insight and his text formating diarrhea.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Pfft, college? I didn't even finish middle-school!

 

[Viata]

Pfft, college? I didn't even finish middle-school!

Any reason? I dropped high-school because I had to work in a farm to help parents.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Pfft, college? I didn't even finish middle-school!

Any reason? I dropped high-school because I had to work in a farm to help parents.

because i didnt want to

 

[samuraigaiden]

I wouldn't tell my kids to drop out, but some of the smartest people I know didn't finish school. Formal education alone doesn't take a person anywhere without the drive for knowledge. I'm living proof

 

[Rincewind]

I wouldn't tell my kids to drop out, but some of the smartest people I know didn't finish school. Formal education alone doesn't take a person anywhere without the drive for knowledge. I'm living proof

True to some extent, but smartness can only take you so far. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you because I learned programming from magazines and books when I was a kid, so the university didn't teach me that many new things about programming (to be honest, this is more a fault of that particular uni programme, though, because decades later I'm still finding *tons* of new things to learn).

But there's plenty of other areas that just cannot be self-taught and higher education is pretty much the only route. E.g. becoming a surgeon, pharmacist, architect, lawyer, or any other profession where a degree is required by law (and for good reason, you don't want enthusiasts to be designing high-rise buildings, bridges and aeroplanes). Even if you take someone like an artist, sure, you can be very "talented", but arguably, given the right guidance, your progress would be faster than having to discover everything by yourself from first principles or by sheer luck.

Having said that, many college/university degrees are garbage and they're not a substitute for natural intelligence

 

[Viata]

becoming a surgeon, pharmacist, architect, lawyer, or any other profession where a degree is required by law

It's not that it can't be self-taught, but I don't think anyone would trust in a surgeon that is self-taught. On the other hand, you have courses like Engineering that can be self-taught and is still required a degree by law.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Yeah but do they teach esoteric metaphysics?? nope!!!

 

[Rincewind]

becoming a surgeon, pharmacist, architect, lawyer, or any other profession where a degree is required by law

It's not that it can't be self-taught, but I don't think anyone would trust in a surgeon that is self-taught. On the other hand, you have courses like Engineering that can be self-taught and is still required a degree by law.

Yeah, true. Don't forget about mandatory site visits for construction engineers, mandatory clinical practice for doctors, practice mock trials for lawyers, etc. So if you add all that up, you almost end up with the original uni programme

 

[Viata]

If that is required, I pity any student that is majoring during those covid times, they are not having any of those.

 

[Bigg Boss]

I chose 9 because hardly anything inspires awe these days.

 

[Matador]

More 2D Fighters pixel art. More SNK stuff. Other day will post Capcom(Street Fighter,etc.) and Arc system works.

 

[BLOBERT]

BRO MY FAV

 

[tritosine2k]

These are "transfers" with imperfections (pixelation, hardly noticeable on CRT).

 

[Rincewind]

These are "transfers" with imperfections (pixelation, hardly noticeable on CRT).

Yeah the hires ones seem more like 24bit paintings tbh (if that's what you mean), but most of the lower res ones were clearly drawn one pixel at a time. The one with the piggies, for example, that's my favourite, and that's definitely pixeled.

 

[samuraigaiden]

If that is required, I pity any student that is majoring during those covid times, they are not having any of those.

I was talking about this stuff just the other day to an acquaintance of mine who works with education. Before the pandemic, you could hire someone with no experience and make them sit next to you and learn the job. Nowadays, you pretty much have to hire people with experience because it's virtually impossible to have them learn on the job when everybody is working from home. Believe me, I tried. And if this home office situation continues for another 5 years - which might sound pessimistic but isn't far fetched at all - this is going to become a really big problem.

 

[Perkel]

and for good reason, you don't want enthusiasts to be designing high-rise buildings, bridges and aeroplanes

I am yet to see any modern building that can survive 200 years let alone 2000. The idea that certification prevents something is idiotic and goes against nearly 10 000 of human history. How doctors previously were trained ? They first started as helpers to doctors and then they slowly learned their craft. Which wasn't any different from any other proffesion. All of old towns in europe were build by people who did not have certification as well and yet they are literally tourist trap.

Because certification was not created to prove someone can do something but as a insurance scam, meaning that if you had certification someone couldn't sue you and you could just move fault to other factors. Previously if you fucked up it was your own fault regardless of other factors.

 

[Viata]

Previously if you fucked up it was your own fault regardless of other factors.

The Code of Hammurabi had these laws on house building:

229. If a builder build a house for some one, and does not construct it properly, and the house which he built fall in and kill its owner, then that builder shall be put to death.
230. If it kill the son of the owner the son of that builder shall be put to death.
231. If it kill a slave of the owner, then he shall pay slave for slave to the owner of the house.
232. If it ruin goods, he shall make compensation for all that has been ruined, and inasmuch as he did not construct properly this house which he built and it fell, he shall re-erect the house from his own means.
233. If a builder build a house for some one, even though he has not yet completed it; if then the walls seem toppling, the builder must make the walls solid from his own means.

Now I ask, do you think there was a single house builder in Babylon that had the balls to try to innovate while building a new house for his client? While those laws are good(the last two are great, in fact), they lead to stagnation.

meaning that if you had certification someone couldn't sue you

They can as long as it can be proved that the fault lies on your side, not on someone else's. If you, as an engineer, made wrong calculations all over the construction, you can lose your engineering license and perhaps never work as an engineer ever again.

 

[InSight]

Nobody means the definitions of words when they talk of ‘meaning’ in things.

Thus the probability of confusion/misunderstanding/deceit increases.

And I disagree, real meaning is quite rare.

Example and explanation have not been provided to "real meaning".
"Real meaning" can simply be translated as truth. Truth seems quite plentiful otherwise it hard to imagine how societies/cultures/countries still function, let alone the existence of the world.
If one seeks real meaning in painting,sculpture ,video games and the like (which are all arts/crafts/works of Illusion), than they will constantly/often/frequently be rare for illusion is a deceit/lie, the opposite of what is real/true.

Words are cheap’ means the opposite of what you think it means. Words are cheaper than action, and talent is cheaper than wisdom, because words are just another craft that isn't inherently meaningful. Do you understand what I mean?

No/nay/negative.
The opposite of "words are cheap" and "words are cheaper than action" would be "action are cheap" and action are cheaper then words".
Why is talent cheaper than wisdom?

Words have purposes, a function; a summarized type of info. Meaningful means its has purpose, a function thus words are a craft that is inherently meaningful.
One can argue/assume/theorize that he very first words spoken by a baby are meaningful, even if it is a simple meaning as binary 0 and 1(there is meaning or there is not), the 1st meaning can be to connect with the parent, the 2nd meaning is to practicing/mastering/developing such ability.
When such ability is what elevates us above other living creation on earth, one should consider firsthand that they are meaningful and full(contain all that is normal or possible) of meaning.

Nobody really cares about how detailed a painting or sculpture is, that's not what makes them interesting.

By that line of reasoning/logic/thinking a mere polygon ,empty shapes, a flat block of stone or clear canvas would be the most interesting. The very artist/creators/craftsmen cared, otherwise they would not have bothered to add them, which requires more energy, resources and skill(art).

 

[Perkel]

Now I ask, do you think there was a single house builder in Babylon that had the balls to try to innovate while building a new house for his client? While those laws are good(the last two are great, in fact), they lead to stagnation.

Except people did innovate and it didn't lead to stagnation.

It was normal to be responsible with your head for your work.

Certification is what removed that. Now you can be certified banker, steal money and don't lose your head because you were certified and worked within laws. If laws were not there then people who lost money would just kill you.

Like i said certification is insurance scam.

 

[Morenatsu.]

Nobody means the definitions of words when they talk of ‘meaning’ in things.

Thus the probability of confusion/misunderstanding/deceit increases.

And I disagree, real meaning is quite rare.

Example and explanation have not been provided to "real meaning".
"Real meaning" can simply be translated as truth. Truth seems quite plentiful otherwise it hard to imagine how societies/cultures/countries still function, let alone the existence of the world.
If one seeks real meaning in painting,sculpture ,video games and the like (which are all arts/crafts/works of Illusion), than they will constantly/often/frequently be rare for illusion is a deceit/lie, the opposite of what is real/true.

Words are cheap’ means the opposite of what you think it means. Words are cheaper than action, and talent is cheaper than wisdom, because words are just another craft that isn't inherently meaningful. Do you understand what I mean?

No/nay/negative.
The opposite of "words are cheap" and "words are cheaper than action" would be "action are cheap" and action are cheaper then words".
Why is talent cheaper than wisdom?

Words have purposes, a function; a summarized type of info. Meaningful means its has purpose, a function thus words are a craft that is inherently meaningful.
One can argue/assume/theorize that he very first words spoken by a baby are meaningful, even if it is a simple meaning as binary 0 and 1(there is meaning or there is not), the 1st meaning can be to connect with the parent, the 2nd meaning is to practicing/mastering/developing such ability.
When such ability is what elevates us above other living creation on earth, one should consider firsthand that they are meaningful and full(contain all that is normal or possible) of meaning.

Nobody really cares about how detailed a painting or sculpture is, that's not what makes them interesting.

By that line of reasoning/logic/thinking a mere polygon ,empty shapes, a flat block of stone or clear canvas would be the most interesting. The very artist/creators/craftsmen cared, otherwise they would not have bothered to add them, which requires more energy, resources and skill(art).

This is your brain on autism.

 

[Viata]

Except people did innovate and it didn't lead to stagnation.

Not in Babylon.