.

[Bad Sector]

Gameplay is more than just mechanics though. Let's take this very simple mechanic: You press the forward button but your PC doesn't move because there's a wall in front of him. Now let's apply that exact same mechanic in a different context: You press the forward button but your PC doesn't move because there's an NPC in front of him. Now the player might be compelled to chat with the NPC, to wait until he moves away, or attempt to kill him so he no longer blocks the way, but the NPC won't budge, he's like a wall but with different graphics. Now, are these two experiences the exact same thing?

The only difference between the two is indeed the visual representation and not the mechanics - or core gameplay (vs visual or narrative features), as Wikipedia puts it. Of course this assuming that the only interaction between said NPC and the PC is the one you described - ie. there isn't even a way to talk (even with a precanned response) and the NPC doesn't move at all. In practice at least, even the most primitive of JRPGs made in the most primitive of JRPG engines like RPGMaker 95 do have some additional interactivity, like a speech bubble and NPCs often tend to randomly wander around.

But if things are only just as you describe, a wall is a wall regardless of how it looks. As far as mechanics / core gameplay are concerned of course (and usually they aren't called walls but something more generic, like blocker or obstacle). From a narrative or visual design perspective it can be a wall, a very deep pond that your character can't cross, a building, a tree, a boulder, a lava pit or whatever else that still behaves the same.

 

[dacencora]

The JRPG subgenre is a type of CRPG with a narrative focus and simplified game mechanics

I think it really depends on the game/sub-sub-genre of JRPG. I wouldn't, for example, say that Shin Megami Tensei has simplified game mechanics, nor would I say that about Etrian Odyssey. Both series are also lighter on story elements than other JRPGs. Sometimes the mechanics are simple, yet elegantly designed (Fire Emblem and Dragon Quest come to mind). I guess I think that you may have this a bit backwards. I typically play JRPGs for the excellent gameplay. When I want to play a storyfag game, I go for the Western ones like VTMB/New Vegas/Witcher/etc. In general, I think that modern JRPGs are the closest thing to classical CRPG gameplay, and are typically the only place to find modern blobbers (Grimrock and Grimoire excepted).

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what you guys call the same exact games except with only one character.

 

[Bastardchops]

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what you guys call the same exact games except with only one character.

Not sure you could try coining a term, in the meantime let's call them rusty_shacklefords.

 

[Cryomancer]

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what you guys call the same exact games except with only one character.

First person dungeon crawler?

 

[dacencora]

The whole “issue” is that dungeon crawler used to refer to:

• Wizardry
• Might and Magic
• Dungeon Master
• Eye of the Beholder
• Etc

But after some time, it became a meaningless term because I’ve seen people refer to Diablo as a dungeon crawler, and Zelda as a dungeon crawler, and on and on. So some people started referring to those OG crawlers as blobbers. I don’t disagree that it’s sort of a silly term, but the point is that it’s mostly used on this site, and pretty much everyone here understands what you mean. The better term is DRPG and it captures all of the various “blobbers”, including single-character ones.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Classic dungeon blobbers, kind of interesting approach to the term.

Markland Blake Clevemore is a moron. So if you're quoting him for proof, well see my original statement.

Here comes a new challenger!
Cleveland Mark Blakemore

 

[Atlantico]

Classic dungeon blobbers, kind of interesting approach to the term.

Markland Blake Clevemore is a moron. So if you're quoting him for proof, well see my original statement.

Here comes a new challenger!
Cleveland Mark Blakemore

Shit for brains as stupid as yourself couldn't stir up drama on this forum if you fell face first into one.

Clefford has already checked out of this discussion.

 

[Atlantico]

Has someone forgotten that interaction with world is bidirectional? Finger of Death or Tolberti's eradication. Good luck passing them with single character.

Not really; according to the braintrust here, there is absolutely no requirement for a "blobber" to have "party members" interact with the world in any independent way, e.g. the way Dungeon Master "party members" have a "position". A "blobber" has the party members behave as one, move as one, fight as one, etc.

So basically: "party based Skyrim" is blobber. Gotcha.

See you're starting to learn. It's not so hard. Have sticker and sit in the corner for being a good boy.

QED

 

[Dexter]

Look the meltdown:

Yeah, we're looking.

You will note, one is ratings in a single thread over the course of 20 minutes while someone reads it and comes upon particularly retarded posts by a particularly retarded member. The other is the butthurt reaction of an Autist stumbling upon these ratings, starting to REEEEEEE internally, then immediately searching through the other's posting history and going on a rating and quoting Spree across 6 different topics that are entirely unrelated to the original one over a span of 3 minutes, most of which contain mentally ill gibberish that have nothing to do with and add nothing to the topic. Now which one of these would an Autist do?

 

[Serus]

Has someone forgotten that interaction with world is bidirectional? Finger of Death or Tolberti's eradication. Good luck passing them with single character.

Not really; according to the braintrust here, there is absolutely no requirement for a "blobber" to have "party members" interact with the world in any independent way, e.g. the way Dungeon Master "party members" have a "position". A "blobber" has the party members behave as one, move as one, fight as one, etc.

We've been there already. Only in some selected situations they behave as one and not in others. It is characteristic that you always mention movement - which is something that everyone agrees on. They move as one. Yes. Fight? Not really.
Tell us PLEASE: In which single character game you have a mechanic that have your armour protect a select part of your skills and abilities but not other abilities - of the same kind? Because that happens in blobbers.

Edit. To be even more clear. In a blobber you can have the ability to, say, cast some type of spells from two sources - two spellcasters. In a single character game all such abilities of the same kind will be protected or die at the same time. In a blobber one character might die and leave you with half the amount of said ability. I have trouble to imagine such mechanic existing or making sense in a single player first person game. But maybe i'm incorrect.

Sigh, i'm so gonna regret this...

 

[Atlantico]

You will note, one is ratings in a single thread over the course of 20 minutes while someone reads it and comes upon particularly retarded posts by a particularly retarded member. The other is the butthurt reaction of an Autist stumbling upon these ratings, starting to REEEEEEE internally, then immediately searching through the other's posting history and going on a rating and quoting Spree across 6 different topics that are entirely unrelated to the original one over a span of 3 minutes, most of which contain mentally ill gibberish that have nothing to do with and add nothing to the topic. Now which one of these would an Autist do?

funny you should mention that Dextard

You're also the author of the most butthurt/autistic post on this forum ever.

Spoiler

Do you remember when you had that autistic sperg and rated more than 4 pages of my posts "retarded". Good times, Captain.

I remember when I had a single one of your posts open in a window and would just rate it "retadred", and you would go searching through entirely unrelated threads mass-rating my posts "retadred" in return, then I'd unrate it and rate it again and you would continue going on your sperg spree for literally dozens of posts like a trained monkey that presses buttons on command for like an hour: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...lso-windows-store.126774/page-25#post-6065008

Or that time when you got butthurt for being rated "retadred" and I just did it back to you to see how long you'd keep up with it, till you thought you were being clever and started deleting your own ratings, saying that I "photoshopped" them trying to make it look like I started it and it wasn't just another one of your usual spergouts: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...t-wrongthink-list.133889/page-17#post-7313328

Or just a few days ago when you'd go through almost the entirety of the Afghanistan thread and do the same, even though the posts are literally just Twatter posts with videos from the ground: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-end-of-the-afghanistan-war.125889/page-40#post-7450483

Not to mention that this is a pattern with you that you went through with various other people (and you have your spergouts what feels like weekly or something at this point) with a few examples as mentioned in above thread, you just have to search for "Atlantico autism" and "Atlantico rating" and you can easily find a lot more:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...e-was-free-shoes.133186/page-668#post-6810401
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-eulogy-for-alignment-in-crpgs.135251/page-21#post-6962180
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-longer-on-page-1.32721/page-913#post-7296582
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-eulogy-for-alignment-in-crpgs.135251/page-18#post-6960078
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...reality-deniers.101527/page-4717#post-6940449
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...in-the-viking-age.127024/page-17#post-6689788

And your newest tick, where you pop up in entirely unrelated threads that have nothing to do with either you or the vaccine to proliferate your mental illness and bark out your raging butthurt like an angry Chihuahua, because someone dared disagree with you about vaccines:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-war-comes-to-pc.125953/page-216#post-7439360
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...g-dumping-ground.90469/page-3030#post-7439457
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...remaster-trilogy.132957/page-113#post-7328579
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-end-of-the-afghanistan-war.125889/page-40#post-7450452

You even started to mention my name in every other of your posts for the past few days.


It's a fun game of "Poke the Sperg" at this point, it's very easy to "push your buttons" (literally) and I like to explore what other fun things one can get you to do by triggering your Autismo.

The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.

 

[Atlantico]

We've been there already. Only in some selected situations they behave as one and not in others. It is characteristic that you always mention movement - which is something that everyone agrees on. They move as one. Yes. Fight? Not really.

I refer you to another expert on "blobbers"

So basically: "party based Skyrim" is blobber. Gotcha.

See you're starting to learn. It's not so hard. Have sticker and sit in the corner for being a good boy.

Tell us PLEASE: In which single character game you have a mechanic that have your armour protect a select part of your skills and abilities but not other abilities - of the same kind? Because that happens in blobbers.

Deus Ex, where you have physical attacks protected by armor (e.g. your hands and feet can become disabled on their own) and augmentations which are independent of that.

Edit. To be even more clear. In a blobber you can have the ability to, say, cast some type of spells from two sources - two spellcasters. In a single character game all such abilities of the same kind will be protected or die at the same time. In a blobber one character might die and leave you with half the amount of said ability. I have trouble to imagine such mechanic existing or making sense in a single player first person game. But maybe i'm incorrect.

While it is often as you say, it isn't required. Skills and or abilities can easily be blocked, removed or disabled in a single character game.

A character could be blinded, lose his sword arm, feeble minded etc.

The fact that most RPGs are so streamlined that they don't bother with this is not a proof of anything other than dumbed down game design. It doesn't mean they couldn't have more depth.

 

[Dexter]

Well, pointing out your mental issues to people unsolicited is certainly progress. Maybe you could modify your Animu avatar you're so obsessed with with some accessories like this though, so people don't engage you by mistake:

 

[mondblut]

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what you guys call the same exact games except with only one character.

We call them dumbed down.

 

[Atlantico]

We know you do. Good you have a hat to warn people.

Your posts and obsessions are proof positive on this forum. No hat needed.

Now go shill for covid vaccinations like the (((subversive))) little shit you are.

(tellingly you are obsessed over some unsolicited irrelevant shit instead of posting on topic, typical of an autist)

Maybe you could modify your Animu avatar

That's the thing, Dextard. I can change the avatar any time, but you will always be a retard.

Turns out, having an extra chromosome isn't the plus you thought it would be.

 

[Dexter]

tellingly you are obsessed over some unsolicited irrelevant shit instead of posting on topic, typical of an autist

The topic is you being an Autistic retard, this thread wouldn't even exist without your imbecilic Screeching in that News post/Poll result for pages and pages: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/rpg-codex-top-ten-vintage-rpgs-poll-results.141815/#post-7727164

Honestly, you shouldn't hide your accomplishments behind a Spoiler:

Do you remember when you had that autistic sperg and rated more than 4 pages of my posts "retarded". Good times, Captain.

I remember when I had a single one of your posts open in a window and would just rate it "retadred", and you would go searching through entirely unrelated threads mass-rating my posts "retadred" in return, then I'd unrate it and rate it again and you would continue going on your sperg spree for literally dozens of posts like a trained monkey that presses buttons on command for like an hour: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...lso-windows-store.126774/page-25#post-6065008

Or that time when you got butthurt for being rated "retadred" and I just did it back to you to see how long you'd keep up with it, till you thought you were being clever and started deleting your own ratings, saying that I "photoshopped" them trying to make it look like I started it and it wasn't just another one of your usual spergouts: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...t-wrongthink-list.133889/page-17#post-7313328

Or just a few days ago when you'd go through almost the entirety of the Afghanistan thread and do the same, even though the posts are literally just Twatter posts with videos from the ground: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-end-of-the-afghanistan-war.125889/page-40#post-7450483

Not to mention that this is a pattern with you that you went through with various other people (and you have your spergouts what feels like weekly or something at this point) with a few examples as mentioned in above thread, you just have to search for "Atlantico autism" and "Atlantico rating" and you can easily find a lot more:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...e-was-free-shoes.133186/page-668#post-6810401
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-eulogy-for-alignment-in-crpgs.135251/page-21#post-6962180
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-longer-on-page-1.32721/page-913#post-7296582
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-eulogy-for-alignment-in-crpgs.135251/page-18#post-6960078
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...reality-deniers.101527/page-4717#post-6940449
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...in-the-viking-age.127024/page-17#post-6689788

And your newest tick, where you pop up in entirely unrelated threads that have nothing to do with either you or the vaccine to proliferate your mental illness and bark out your raging butthurt like an angry Chihuahua, because someone dared disagree with you about vaccines:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-war-comes-to-pc.125953/page-216#post-7439360
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...g-dumping-ground.90469/page-3030#post-7439457
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...remaster-trilogy.132957/page-113#post-7328579
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-end-of-the-afghanistan-war.125889/page-40#post-7450452

You even started to mention my name in every other of your posts for the past few days.


It's a fun game of "Poke the Sperg" at this point, it's very easy to "push your buttons" (literally) and I like to explore what other fun things one can get you to do by triggering your Autismo.

I even explained the image you posted in there, I was experimenting to see how to better inflame your raging hemorrhoids, because poking at the Sperg is fun. Like that one time I had one of your posts open in a separate tab and I kept rating and unrating it "Retadred" again and again every few minutes to see how long you'd keep it up like a trained monkey while I was doing something else, and it was for like over an entire hour. Dozens more of your Spergout sessions afterwards, I was experimenting to see how long you'd keep it up if someone did what you constantly do (like to Atlet and several other people and me at least twice during the course of this thread alone) back to you.

The result was you not only Sperging out like always, but additionally showing that you're a underhanded dickless autistic manlet tranny in the process. You kept doing it at first, then you started removing your ratings and claiming I "photoshopped" you doing it, even though this is like every other day for you at this point with over a dozen people that manage to inflame your raging butthurt about any number of things, or simply by rating your posts what they deserve.

I mean, some Mod had to remove and Retardo one of your butthurt Autistic rating/quoting sprees and aptly name it "Atlantico necro meltdown" the other day, where you managed to quote Darkozric 12 times in the span of 10 minutes across a dozen different topics and necro various old threads in the process: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/atlantico-necro-meltdown.141871/

Just imagine getting so buttmad about people using the word "Blobber" in conversations that have nothing to do with you. This simple word triggers you so much that you even started expanding your Autism into other unrelated threads about games just labeled "Blobber", because you couldn't contain it to the two or three that already existed: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...end-in-dev-blobber.140099/page-3#post-7736487

That's the thing, Dextard. I can change the avatar any time

Obsession and self-identification with some specific obscure Animu character, to the point that you have several rotating avatars of it that you change every other month is also a sign of Autism.

 

[Atlantico]

tellingly you are obsessed over some unsolicited irrelevant shit instead of posting on topic, typical of an autist

The topic is you being an Autistic retard, this thread wouldn't even exist without your imbecilic Screeching in that News post/Poll result for pages and pages: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/rpg-codex-top-ten-vintage-rpgs-poll-results.141815/#post-7727164

Honestly, you shouldn't hide your accomplishments behind a Spoiler:

Do you remember when you had that autistic sperg and rated more than 4 pages of my posts "retarded". Good times, Captain.

I remember when I had a single one of your posts open in a window and would just rate it "retadred", and you would go searching through entirely unrelated threads mass-rating my posts "retadred" in return, then I'd unrate it and rate it again and you would continue going on your sperg spree for literally dozens of posts like a trained monkey that presses buttons on command for like an hour: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...lso-windows-store.126774/page-25#post-6065008

Or that time when you got butthurt for being rated "retadred" and I just did it back to you to see how long you'd keep up with it, till you thought you were being clever and started deleting your own ratings, saying that I "photoshopped" them trying to make it look like I started it and it wasn't just another one of your usual spergouts: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...t-wrongthink-list.133889/page-17#post-7313328

Or just a few days ago when you'd go through almost the entirety of the Afghanistan thread and do the same, even though the posts are literally just Twatter posts with videos from the ground: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-end-of-the-afghanistan-war.125889/page-40#post-7450483

Not to mention that this is a pattern with you that you went through with various other people (and you have your spergouts what feels like weekly or something at this point) with a few examples as mentioned in above thread, you just have to search for "Atlantico autism" and "Atlantico rating" and you can easily find a lot more:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...e-was-free-shoes.133186/page-668#post-6810401
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-eulogy-for-alignment-in-crpgs.135251/page-21#post-6962180
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-longer-on-page-1.32721/page-913#post-7296582
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-eulogy-for-alignment-in-crpgs.135251/page-18#post-6960078
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...reality-deniers.101527/page-4717#post-6940449
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...in-the-viking-age.127024/page-17#post-6689788

And your newest tick, where you pop up in entirely unrelated threads that have nothing to do with either you or the vaccine to proliferate your mental illness and bark out your raging butthurt like an angry Chihuahua, because someone dared disagree with you about vaccines:
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-war-comes-to-pc.125953/page-216#post-7439360
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...g-dumping-ground.90469/page-3030#post-7439457
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...remaster-trilogy.132957/page-113#post-7328579
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-end-of-the-afghanistan-war.125889/page-40#post-7450452

You even started to mention my name in every other of your posts for the past few days.


It's a fun game of "Poke the Sperg" at this point, it's very easy to "push your buttons" (literally) and I like to explore what other fun things one can get you to do by triggering your Autismo.

I even explained the image you posted in there, I was experimenting to see how to better inflame your raging hemorrhoids, because poking at the Sperg is fun. Like that one time I had one of your posts open in a separate tab and I kept rating and unrating it "Retadred" again and again every few minutes to see how long you'd keep it up like a trained monkey while I was doing something else, and it was for like over an entire hour. Dozens more of your Spergout sessions afterwards, I was experimenting to see how long you'd keep it up if someone did what you constantly do (like to Atlet and several other people and me at least twice during the course of this thread alone) back to you.

The result was you not only Sperging out like always, but additionally showing that you're a underhanded dickless autistic manlet tranny in the process. You kept doing it at first, then you started removing your ratings and claiming I "photoshopped" you doing it, even though this is like every other day for you at this point with over a dozen people that manage to inflame your raging butthurt about any number of things, or simply by rating your posts what they deserve.

I mean, some Mod had to remove and Retardo one of your butthurt Autistic rating/quoting sprees and aptly name it "Atlantico necro meltdown" the other day, where you managed to quote Darkozric 12 times in the span of 10 minutes across a dozen different topics and necro various old threads in the process: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/atlantico-necro-meltdown.141871/

Just imagine getting so buttmad about people using the word "Blobber" in conversations that have nothing to do with you. This simple word triggers you so much that you even started expanding your Autism into other unrelated threads about games just labeled "Blobber", because you couldn't contain it to the two or three that already existed: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...end-in-dev-blobber.140099/page-3#post-7736487

That's the thing, Dextard. I can change the avatar any time

Obsession and self-identification with some specific obscure Animu character, to the point that you have several rotating avatars of it that you change every other month is also a sign of Autism.

Autism: the post.

Imagine a "normal" person writing that wall of text with citations for months. About being perennially triggered. With all your imagined grievances categorized, probably by date.

Normal people don't do that. You do though, you absolute autistic vaxxatard shill.

Nobody is reading that drivel, but it does confirm the diagnosis:

10/10

 

[Serus]

We've been there already. Only in some selected situations they behave as one and not in others. It is characteristic that you always mention movement - which is something that everyone agrees on. They move as one. Yes. Fight? Not really.

I refer you to another expert on "blobbers"

So basically: "party based Skyrim" is blobber. Gotcha.

See you're starting to learn. It's not so hard. Have sticker and sit in the corner for being a good boy.

Tell us PLEASE: In which single character game you have a mechanic that have your armour protect a select part of your skills and abilities but not other abilities - of the same kind? Because that happens in blobbers.

Deus Ex, where you have physical attacks protected by armor (e.g. your hands and feet can become disabled on their own) and augmentations which are independent of that.

Edit. To be even more clear. In a blobber you can have the ability to, say, cast some type of spells from two sources - two spellcasters. In a single character game all such abilities of the same kind will be protected or die at the same time. In a blobber one character might die and leave you with half the amount of said ability. I have trouble to imagine such mechanic existing or making sense in a single player first person game. But maybe i'm incorrect.

While it is often as you say, it isn't required. Skills and or abilities can easily be blocked, removed or disabled in a single character game.

A character could be blinded, lose his sword arm, feeble minded etc.

The fact that most RPGs are so streamlined that they don't bother with this is not a proof of anything other than dumbed down game design. It doesn't mean they couldn't have more depth.

Experts? One of those you call, and I quote, "morons"? Or one of those who claim that Deus Ex is not a crpg?

But let's be serious. Are the arms or augments really independent from each other in Deus Ex? No abilities that require two hands at all? As i said, I didn't play Deus Ex so i concede a point to You. But see below. Anyone with something to add on Deus Ex, be my guest.

I hoped you would go with "most crpg are streamlined" route. If that is your opinion then i'm ok with that. Because if what you just said applies to most crpgs then it applies to blobbers as well. So while some blobbers might be, i quote, "streamlined" or "dumbed down" (like for example the M&M series) and not have internal positioning within the blob, others aren't and have it. In fact the most iconic and influential series and games in the subgenre qualify (Wizardry series and Dungeon Master). Some have characters with their own agenda as well.

In other words you cannot compare one or two single character hand-picked games that suit you and then say that Dungeon Master or Wizardries don't count in the discussion. Because if that's the case so doesn't Deus Ex being a very atypical crpg. And then my original point is still valid. Can't eat cake and have that cake, sorry.

The question remains, is in your extravagant* understanding of blobbers, a blobber with internal positioning or one with party members with their own agenda - a game with distinct mechanics than a one character crpg or not? I don't ask about every blobber ever made.

And don't restart with "experts" jokes, please. Not funny.


*don't kill me, i didn't mean offence, extravagant is not an insult.

 

[KateMicucci]

The better term is DRPG and it captures all of the various “blobbers”, including single-character ones.

Deutsch RPG?

 

[dacencora]

The better term is DRPG and it captures all of the various “blobbers”, including single-character ones.

Deutsch RPG?

Yes.

(It’s actually for Dungeon RPG, if you’re curious. There’s a thread for an exhaustive list of Dungeon-RPGs but I’m pretty sure it’s in the JRPG forum)

 

[Atlantico]

Experts? One of those you call, and I quote, "morons"? Or one of those who claim that Deus Ex is not a crpg?

Self-declared experts on "blobbers". My opinion of them is neither here nor there.

In other words you cannot compare one or two single character hand-picked games that suit you and then say that Dungeon Master or Wizardries don't count in the discussion. Because if that's the case so doesn't Deus Ex being a very atypical crpg. And then my original point is still valid. Can't eat cake and have that cake, sorry.

The question remains, is in your extravagant* understanding of blobbers, a blobber with internal positioning or one with party members with their own agenda - a game with distinct mechanics than a one character crpg or not? I don't ask about every blobber ever made.

Attempting to create a genre or category of games, from the perceived movement of imagined characters is meaningless out of the gate.

On a PC where you have only one view, because you have only one monitor and one user at a time, games are always going to tend to favor the POV of a single person and move your party as a single entity, no matter how many or few are in said party.

That goes back to the nature of PC games, that they necessarily tend to favor:
1) Single POV, no matter number of party members
2) Single POV, because of single user playing the game

At the same time, both of the above are fundamental to the (absurd) definition of "blobber" and both are fundamental to PC game design and this is why almost nobody concurs on what a "blobber" really is. Blobber can be just about anything you want it to be.

Then there is the problem of attempting to categorize games by "type of movement", since that will inevitably lump completely unrelated games together, e.g. jrpgs and Dungeon Master.

These are just some of the issues with attempted usage of the term. The term itself doesn't help much, because it has a faux illusion of simplicity.

How do you define "blobber"?
"Bro it's in the name".

Yet almost everyone seems to have their own definition of what constitutes as a "blobber", so the name isn't even very good. After all there's also "gridder" and "DRPG" to address.

 

[Atlantico]

Experts? One of those you call, and I quote, "morons"? Or one of those who claim that Deus Ex is not a crpg?

So, in your opinion, the gameplay of Might and Magic 1-5 is bad?

Blobbers are not CRPGs

What is a "blobber"?

Party based first person dungeon crawler. Why do you ask?

But it doesn't have to be first person, though.

Gold Box games are also dungeon crawlers.
Diablo is a dungeon crawler.
Ultima Underworld and Arx Fatalis are dungeon crawlers.
Knights of the Chalice is a dungeon crawler.

The important difference is how you crawl the dungeons in those games.

In blobbers, you crawl them as a blob.

Are you saying octavius is wrong?

*And of course most JRPGs are blobbers, but that's another anime infested can of worms.

What about this guy?

I thought the blobbing part refers to the movement, piece by piece with sharp acceleration and deceleration. Like you'd move on an ice/oil patch hence blob lmao.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Implying that The Quest and Swords and Sorcery - Underworld are in different subgenres is as dumb as implying that Underrail and ATOM RPG are in different subgenres.

 

[dacencora]

Implying that The Quest and Swords and Sorcery - Underworld are in different subgenres is as dumb as implying that Underrail and ATOM RPG are in different subgenres.

I think this is the first post in here that you made that I agree with. Those two certainly belong in the same genre. But I’m far from a purist because I would put Wasteland and Bard’s Tale in the same category too, even though Wasteland utilizes top-down exploration.