After 5 years of No Games, Sony leaks they'll announce PS5 Pro on September 10th (edit: Revealed. $700 and no disc drive. Come laugh at it.)

[PulsatingBrain]

this is 100% false. As I'm playing through Space Marine 2 right this moment, a game that looks about as modern as modern games get, I'm noticing alot of shit that could look much better. We're not even close to "Pixar level graphics".

His wording is not great, but he's referring generally to the level of fidelity possible with current hardware, not necessarily that every team produces grade A work. Aren't you on a console anyway?

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

this is 100% false. As I'm playing through Space Marine 2 right this moment, a game that looks about as modern as modern games get, I'm noticing alot of shit that could look much better. We're not even close to "Pixar level graphics".

His wording is not great, but he's referring generally to the level of fidelity possible with current hardware, not necessarily that every team produces grade A work. Aren't you on a console anyway?

Nothing he said made sense. He's mentally retarted.

 

[Ezekiel]

PlayStation 5 Pro Shows the Futility of the Video-Game Graphics Race

It’s become redundant to say that a modern game has “great graphics,” the way everyone did in the 1990s or early 2000s. These days, they all do.

this is 100% false. As I'm playing through Space Marine 2 right this moment, a game that looks about as modern as modern games get, I'm noticing alot of shit that could look much better. We're not even close to "Pixar level graphics".

How can you speak like this after all the damage the impossible pursuit of realistic looking games has caused?

 

[The Decline]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

 

[PulsatingBrain]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

This approach would have the positive side-effect of shrinking the art team and growing the programming side.

 

[The Decline]

 

[ind33d]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

yeah Oblivion's Radiant AI getting cut is mighty suspicious

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

And despite the negative feedback in regard to the PS5 Pro, Sony is already deep into making the PS6, with backwards compatibility being of high importance.

 

[deuxhero]

PS6 with backwards compatibility would make PS5 Pro even less interesting. Given previous official claims about PS5 entering the later stage of its lifespan (meaning, at most generous, its past halfway till total end of production because anything else would be an even sooner end), PS6 would be coming before mid 2026, so you could up up the ass to get mildly better looking games (capped at 120 FPS because LOL HDMI) for just two years.

 

[Morgoth]

PS6 won't arrive before 2027 at the earliest. Probably 2028.

 

[JC'sBarber]

I can't even believe they're even 'considering' a PS6 when their current console lacks even a single worthwhile exclusive. Most of their meagre offerings, like Horizon and God of War, can even be played on a PS4 just fine. This is by far the most worthless console generation we've had yet. I can't even imagine a PS6.

 

[ultimanecat]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

I agree but those are largely programming challenges - the processors have been able to handle interesting NPC behavior for decades now. There’s just no interest from the production side to make anything more complicated than we already have.

Maybe with AI gaining speed we could have some interesting behavior but first you’d probably have to fire half the industry because they see AI as a threat to their jobs and will fight to keep it out of development.

 

[tritosine2k]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

And yet RAGE with its companion spiderbot is "shit" , " I see blurry texture I'm dying"

Cyberpunk with the obscene amount cutscene stuff is "divine"

Carmack "owned" by realtime gfx with humungous hw load and homeopathic "divine" path tracing that can't converge in 4 frames at sub60.

That's reality.

 

[Alienman]

PS6 with backwards compatibility would make PS5 Pro even less interesting. Given previous official claims about PS5 entering the later stage of its lifespan (meaning, at most generous, its past halfway till total end of production because anything else would be an even sooner end), PS6 would be coming before mid 2026, so you could up up the ass to get mildly better looking games (capped at 120 FPS because LOL HDMI) for just two years.

Wake me up when they add forwards compatibility.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

PS6 with backwards compatibility would make PS5 Pro even less interesting. Given previous official claims about PS5 entering the later stage of its lifespan (meaning, at most generous, its past halfway till total end of production because anything else would be an even sooner end), PS6 would be coming before mid 2026, so you could up up the ass to get mildly better looking games (capped at 120 FPS because LOL HDMI) for just two years.

Pretty much, holy shit. Might as well save up money for PS6 instead of buying PS5 Pro.
Or just buy a PC. Or even just save money and buy the coming next gen of processors and cards. Something like a 5080/5090 + 9800X3D is probably better than the PS6. Hell, 7900X3D + 4080/4090 is probably better than the PS6.

 

[Azdul]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

I agree but those are largely programming challenges - the processors have been able to handle interesting NPC behavior for decades now. There’s just no interest from the production side to make anything more complicated than we already have.

Maybe with AI gaining speed we could have some interesting behavior but first you’d probably have to fire half the industry because they see AI as a threat to their jobs and will fight to keep it out of development.

There are several problems with making more advanced NPCs.

1. It collides with storytelling.

Even in unpatched Baldur's Gate 1, during Chapter 1, Gorion could kill Sarevok if he got lucky with critical hits. IMO it's a great emergent story, but some storyfags complained. 3D made this problem 1000x worse.

2. It requires a lot of work to animate.

There is a reason why Dwarf Fortress has very simple graphics. Visualizing every possible behavior in a convincing way would take decades.

3. People buy consoles.

Playstation 3, Playstation 4, Xbox One S, Wii U had horrible, terrible, not very good CPUs. NPCs moving in the world in an intelligent, unpredictable way require a lot of horsepower.

You cannot exactly scale down pathfinding for weaker platforms, so lowest common denominator decides how advanced NPCs will be.

BTW - PS5 Pro has the same CPU as vanilla PS5.

 

[ultimanecat]

One of the (retarded) original selling points of the Xbox One was that MS also runs Azure and that developers could offload computing to the cloud. You could simulate the entire game world at all times, and not just the immediate vicinity of the player! NPCs could have rich, fleshed out schedules and routines even when the player isn’t around to see it! The game world could evolve even when the system was off!…

…but it never happened, because nobody wanted to program it (not even MS). Honestly, local generative AI is probably the only chance we have for more complicated NPCs, because it removes the unwilling developer from the process entirely.

 

[Morgoth]

Unless you can create, automate, scale and extrapolate animations as easily as the rest of the graphics pipeline, there won't ever be another graphical, or for that matter, gameplay revolution. Just more DigitalFoundry pixel hunt wank.

 

[Konjad]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

yeah Oblivion's Radiant AI getting cut is mighty suspicious

+ Azdul

You guys might want to chime in
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/artificial-intelligence-in-games.146485/

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

And if the PS5 wasn't enough of a farce, here's Final Fantasy 16 shitting the bed after a firmware update.

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

Super Nintendo: Mario World, Gradius III, F-Zero, Pilotwings.

PSX: Battle Arena Toshinden, Ridge Racer, Destruction Derby.

N64: Mario 64, Shadows Of The Empire, Turok

PS2: Ridge Racer V, Tekken Tag Tournament, Midnight Club, Unreal Tournament

Wii: Games like you haven't played them before.

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PS5 Pro: Ye olde stuff remade, remastered, sequelized -- or "enhanced"!




Not that this'd be any fundamentally different on PC. In another 25 years time, Sony, MS and Nvidia may have to actually seriously CONVINCE people of buying and upgrading to da next shit.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Gaming hardware improvements over the past 15-20 years should have gone toward npc behavior/ai and gameplay systems complexity.

They probably will be going forward. Better graphics isn’t really something people give a shit about now...which is why the best selling console at the moment is the fucking Switch, and three fourths of PS5 users play on performance mode instead of graphics. That 3/4 stat, while not surprising at all, (given the Switch) kind of makes one wonder what the fuck Sony is even thinking with the PRO. But, people were going nuts about all that animation and character interaction stuff Rockstar was doing in the trailer for GTA 6.

The future isn’t going to be raw graphic power, it’s going to be NPC behavior and ai, it’s going to be lighting, it’s going to be frame rates, and it’s going to be how much shit you can have on screen at the same time. There was a moment in the ‘90s where it seemed like NPC AI was where things would go, but you can’t sell NPC AI in a still picture in a magazine or some website. But the gaming magazines are dead, and video on the Internet is easily accessible to everyone now. So the shift to things that previously couldn’t be sold in a still image is coming. It should’ve starting coming at least a decade ago, but the gaming industry is increasingly slow moving now.

 

[The Decline]

But, people were going nuts about all that animation and character interaction stuff Rockstar was doing in the trailer for GTA 6.

GTA fans are retards so no surprise there.

 

[Konjad]

But, people were going nuts about all that animation and character interaction stuff Rockstar was doing in the trailer for GTA 6.

GTA fans are retards so no surprise there.

are you guys sure these weren't just - may dogs forgive me for what I'm about to say - gaming "journalists"?

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

Sony's scraping the bottom of the barrel again, because Horizon: Zero Dawn is getting a remaster.