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Gyor

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You assume that the humaniod races not being evil was started as a reaction to events in 2020, I believe it was actually already in motion, but political events 2020 pushed them to go further on that front then originally intended, but that they were already heading in that general direction.

Look at RA Salvatore's last novel Relentless, look at Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, look at how Eberron deals with humaniods (including how it treats Gnolls), look at how Theros changed Minotaurs (they were beastly before, barely having culture and all of a sudden they got their own city and deep culture), and look at how Larian treats goblins, as people, instead of angry sacks of xp (this shift would have to have been in motion before the race riots to be in the first chapter of the game). This shift in perpective had to have started BEFORE the racist woke Orcs are black people bullshit, it just accessorated and expanded it.

Plus Orcs and Kobolds having negative modifiers was wildly unpopular when Volo's Guide to Monsters came out and Vistani have getting WotC well deserved flack for years now.

Because Social Justice started yesterday. WotC was always quite progressive in the last few years, the race stuff is 100% reactionary politics.
Also Vistani flak well deserved? Fuck off, they were a cool part off the adventure. Also much better portrayed than 99% of Europe views Gypsies.

The trend and work on the mystery book with racial variants started at least a year or more ago, Wildemount started several years before being published earlier this year, Eberron goes back to 3e and the 5e version bucked the earlier trends of 5e like Gnolls are uniformily chaotic evil insane monsters. RA Salvatore started writing Rentless at least last year at some point.

So the whole trend of no more humaniods as inheriantly evil as wasn't the case in early 5e, was already set in motion several years ago, and was largely driven by the shift in settings away from FR and larger cultural moves away from that type of thinking in fantasy.

The driving force behind this was a mix of World of Warcraft, Everquest, Matt Mercier, Eberron fans, and other cultural influences shifting away from human races (species) being inheriantly evil.

The whole Orcs are racist stupidity was likely an idiot blending that trend with woke bullshit to take a reasonable cultural shift into the realm of the absurd and ironically racism.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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You assume that the humaniod races not being evil was started as a reaction to events in 2020, I believe it was actually already in motion, but political events 2020 pushed them to go further on that front then originally intended, but that they were already heading in that general direction.

Look at RA Salvatore's last novel Relentless, look at Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, look at how Eberron deals with humaniods (including how it treats Gnolls), look at how Theros changed Minotaurs (they were beastly before, barely having culture and all of a sudden they got their own city and deep culture), and look at how Larian treats goblins, as people, instead of angry sacks of xp (this shift would have to have been in motion before the race riots to be in the first chapter of the game). This shift in perpective had to have started BEFORE the racist woke Orcs are black people bullshit, it just accessorated and expanded it.

Plus Orcs and Kobolds having negative modifiers was wildly unpopular when Volo's Guide to Monsters came out and Vistani have getting WotC well deserved flack for years now.

Because Social Justice started yesterday. WotC was always quite progressive in the last few years, the race stuff is 100% reactionary politics.
Also Vistani flak well deserved? Fuck off, they were a cool part off the adventure. Also much better portrayed than 99% of Europe views Gypsies.

Not just WOTC. Been attacking comic, cartoons, movies, hollyeood for quite a while. Lately its also trying to destroy all of japanese anime/manga and just say modt is child porn hentai. Might have a point but a lot of art online is artists creating porny situations off of characters already out there.

Ya'll remember the 90s and the porny games in the chip n bits ads in the computer magazines? Recall the pc-98, 88, fm-towbs, etc and some ads for games which were either VN like porn or games with that element to get the characters nude and lewd. I look at the backlog of old games from japan and they fucking awful. Those CPUs had to fill out with western games or make better shit.

Yeah i read that wotc article on "MONSTER LIVES MATTER". Or do they even use monster?

MONSTER LIVES MATTER

Dungeons & Dragons changes policy to fight racism
OTHER22 JUN 2020
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Drizzt Do'Urden, probably the only non-evil dark elf in the Forgotten Realms (Image credit: Wizards of the Coast)

Wizards of the Coast, makers of Magic: The Gathering and Dungeons & Dragons, are going out of their way to change their books and present their fantasy characters in a different light in an effort to increase inclusivity and diversity in the Forgotten Realms.

The move is undoubtedly inspired by the growing wave of anti-racism protests going on worldwide and the increase of popularity of the Black Lives Matter movement.

The changes
Wizards published a special article on the D&D website detailing their decision to amend the game in hopes of decreasing racial stereotyping and increasing inclusivity. The step-by-step list goes as follows:

  • Orcs and drows (dark elves) are presented in a new light in D&D's latest book releases - Eberron: Rising from the Last War and Explorer's Guide to Wildemount.
The new faces of these iconic enemy races will now be “morally and culturally complex as other peoples.” In the close to five-decade-long history of the game, these two races have been traditionally depicted as stereotypical bad guys, little more than monsters. The current version of the Monster Manual describes the drow as “the wickedest of elves” and “cruel and selfish” and gives them a Neutral Evil status. Orcs are depicted as “savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces”, who are Chaotic Evil.

  • With every reprint of an already published D&D book, there will be amendments to mistakes, including “errors of judgment” - namely, texts that Wizards deems “racially insensitive”. Reportedly, this will be an ongoing process.
  • One such change will be the classic and massively successful book Curse of Strahd - a gothic horror vampire-slaying adventure featuring the Vistani, a fantasy race built upon the folklore stereotype of the Romani culture.
Wizards will be hiring a Romani consultant to change the Vistani into a state that’s viewed as inoffensive.

  • Wizards will be actively seeking insights from sensitivity readers, as well as hiring more diverse talent to join their staff and team of freelance writers and artists.
The reaction
As could be expected from a massive politically-charged move by a gaming company and especially the retroactive amendment of already published work, the community has been expressing mixed reactions.

There seems to be a large portion of the D&D player base who’s appreciative of the new direction and welcomes Wizards' efforts to increase representation in their favorite roleplaying game.

On the other hand, there are those who disagree with the decision for multiple reasons. Some players have expressed the opinion that real-world racial politics have no place in a game of dwarves and elves, that they simply don’t like their game changed or even those who claim that comparing real-world people of color to made-up monsters is condescending and degrading, and that Wizards is sending the wrong message.

For better or worse, the makers of D&D seem to have their priorities set and the ship is already steered towards a social justice direction. We’re curious to see if this policy will be extended to their video game offerings, including the upcoming action RPG Dark Alliance.

For more gaming news, analysis, and opinions, keep reading EarlyGame.

Nikola Petrov

tell that to grogs. A smelly old fucking orc is XP.
Plain and simple and its a possible portable loot box.
 

Mortmal

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and look at how Larian treats goblins, as people, instead of angry sacks of xp (this shift would have to have been in motion before the race riots to be in the first chapter of the game).
Larian as nothing to do with this, its from paizo , "we be goblins!" , a very popular campaign for pathfinder.
Also in kingmaker:
 

Ol'man

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Basically Mercer/Critical Role and streams being such an enormous push for 5e's explosive growth is why we're going to see race =/= evil/good/neutral. As much as I'd be inclined to shrug and say, it's reactionary, it's really just following the money, and if that dovetails with other nonsense that gets wotc brownie points with another crowd, they're fine by that.

It's also why I can't see Dark Sun coming out in some non-neutered fashion. How would modern day wotc handle a setting that incorporates slavery that heavily.
 

Theldaran

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Well, Wizards have permabanned some "racist/derogatory" cards in Magic after the Floyd case...

In the Magic background, the one who wanted transhumanism was the evil guy... and the bigoted people like the Church of Tal were always ivul. So why this? To say "hey, we care too!".
 

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Will some races be inherently evil in this or have they changed that now?

50/50, they changed their stance on that during development. Presumably no, since WOTC would have known their new race agenda before announcing it, and they worked closely with WOTC. Maybe yes if it was too late to change.

Mindflayer's are scum of the universe. Purge those evil bastards!
Acknowledge this Gith's agenda.

You assume that the humaniod races not being evil was started as a reaction to events in 2020, I believe it was actually already in motion, but political events 2020 pushed them to go further on that front then originally intended, but that they were already heading in that general direction.

Look at RA Salvatore's last novel Relentless, look at Explorer's Guide to Wildemount, look at how Eberron deals with humaniods (including how it treats Gnolls), look at how Theros changed Minotaurs (they were beastly before, barely having culture and all of a sudden they got their own city and deep culture), and look at how Larian treats goblins, as people, instead of angry sacks of xp (this shift would have to have been in motion before the race riots to be in the first chapter of the game). This shift in perpective had to have started BEFORE the racist woke Orcs are black people bullshit, it just accessorated and expanded it.

Plus Orcs and Kobolds having negative modifiers was wildly unpopular when Volo's Guide to Monsters came out and Vistani have getting WotC well deserved flack for years now.

Well as far back as in PoR, you came across women and children Kobolds, and could have option to spare thankful others. Even then it was alluded through giving snippets of family life, culture, feeling of fear and other emotions that the 'monster' races weren't just 'evul for teh lulz'.
 

Grauken

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Basically Mercer/Critical Role and streams being such an enormous push for 5e's explosive growth is why we're going to see race =/= evil/good/neutral. As much as I'd be inclined to shrug and say, it's reactionary, it's really just following the money, and if that dovetails with other nonsense that gets wotc brownie points with another crowd, they're fine by that.

It's also why I can't see Dark Sun coming out in some non-neutered fashion. How would modern day wotc handle a setting that incorporates slavery that heavily.

Dark Sun BDSM edition for the kinky roleplayer
 

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Aren't you supposed to be the number one stalker?

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Ontopoly bg3 blog is better.
I feel like Lilura has an obligation to be more critical in her blog posts. If she truly wants to be authoritative than she has to accept the duty that comes with that. You can't stay neutral on a moving train. The train is moving and she is more concerned with how her blog is doing than what really matters. When my blog comes out, I promise to be critical of everything, including Baldur's Gate.
 
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Woah, an announcement for an announcement of a date of beta test? With no prior warning? Slow down, what's the rush.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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I guess by "erasing" some art and writing it just magically disappears from all human society. Floyd was a fucking druggy criminal. No one cares he's dead. The irony the lie of BLM and choking/oppression yet they want to choke/and oppress the world. Fucking wearing masks is fucking oppression. I have to wear one for my 11 hour flight coming up. FUCK!! Bitches afraid of getting sick. I had it twice and I didn't die. Had it bad. Pussies!
 
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KeighnMcDeath

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Derailing more likely. I watch too much youtube vids on attacks on the entertaimnent industry. Tranny npc? Bisexuals? Gays? Pussying males and saying monsters have rights? I wouldn't be surprised if there are "good" illithids in BG3 and tentacle fucks for romance. Illithids are mostly a dark mauve, purple skin brain raping/eating fucks. Drow/dark elves have always been pussywhipped soyboy assholes by their SJW overladies. And Orcs are mutant things worth xp (and fucking for the human hicks that love some piggy fucking).

How much VN shit will be in the game. I guess if i watch some more Divinity playthroughs or try a bit myself, I might get an idea. I hope to get a better idea of the game when there is some good footage of gameplay.

3 hours and 30 min mutha fuckas!!!
 

KeighnMcDeath

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NSFW OR YOUR SOUL!!
Ain't full on furry unless its FUTA-FURRY!
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And monster rapey
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Gyor

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Woah, an announcement for an announcement of a date of beta test? With no prior warning? Slow down, what's the rush.

Woah, its a possibly date that could change, what is your rush?
 

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