Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

Also, I highly recommend everyone take advantage of the option to "ignore" posters if you find that their contributions to the discussion are more often than not irrelevant to the topic.

Interesting!

 

[Gargaune]

Also, I highly recommend everyone take advantage of the option to "ignore" posters if you find that their contributions to the discussion are more often than not irrelevant to the topic.

Manly men don't need automation to ignore people.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

disrupt the conversations here

ahahaha

Hey, I actually try, sometime.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Since we want to actually talk about the game, take a look at the reddit groupies downvoting a thread about the day/night cycle because it's not about fucking Astarion:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/npq0df/advantages_of_a_daynight_cycle_just_a_bit_of/

Man, I hate these people with a genuine passion.

 

[Reinhardt]

I bet you 10 years from now P:K will be praised

Lol, nigga, 10 years from now codex will be busy replaying Mass Effect ReRemaster.

 

[Shrimp]

You made a big mistake if you went on Reddit expecting actual discussion instead of corporate worshipping.

 

[Gargaune]

people

Regarding the day/night cycle, this Levinian approach of "we can't make it realistic so we won't make it all" is a very dubious proposition. It worked in System Shock, didn't in Bioshock, and downright sucks in BG3. Also, your redditor missed another argument, in that the dynamic time needed for it would enable a proper translation of spell durations. Whereas BG3 made stuff like Shield of Faith permanent and only has the Concentration requirement to leverage.

 

[Lacrymas]

It's not so much a dubious proposition as much as an artistic/design choice. Since they don't feel comfortable doing a day/night cycle without "proper" mechanics to back it up, I don't see a reason to blame them for it.

 

[underground nymph]

I see a reason to blame them for not implementing proper mechanics though.

 

[Gargaune]

Artistic choices can be incorrect relative to the whole and you have to consider their mechanical and narrative implications. In the case of eliminating NPC interactions in System Shock vs. BioShock, "everybody's dead" was an easier sell in the writing as opposed to "everybody's violently crazy and trying to kill you on sight." In the case of the day/night cycle in Baldur's Gate, locking the time of day has knock-on effects on how the player perceives the scope of the world and their traversal of it, and a locked time frame makes it feel "smaller" - you're not having an adventure in a massive, independently-functioning world so much as engaging in very particular moments in one. The abstraction of space and time becomes even more jarring with the camp implementation. By comparison, the IE features sufficed to leave the player with that "big, autonomous world" impression, even if they didn't match Bethesda's detailed AI routines. Larian didn't need to sacrifice dynamic time for the sake of verisimilitude, they're not making Deus Ex here.

Bottom line, BG3 stopping the clock isn't a gamebreaker by any means, but it's not the ideal choice for it either.

 

[Lacrymas]

Since there is a time and budget aspect of this, you as an AA+ developer have to prioritize. If you want proper day/night mechanics, you have to sacrifice something else to achieve this. They have decided to focus these resources on something else.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I'll take being able to kill any NPC and still being able to advance the plot over a purely cosmetic day and night cycle, thanks.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

decided to make a mod that just adjusts the screen brightness over time so you can have a ~real~ day/night cycle that totally changes the game completely, it will be an entirely new game

 

[underground nymph]

I’ll sacrifice cinematic blow jobs and origin system for day/night cycle.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

I'll take being able to kill any NPC and still being able to advance the plot over a purely cosmetic day and night cycle, thanks.

I'll take having a proper day/night cycle and the whole constellation of minor design adjustments that come with it over the "amazing feature" of being able to replay the entire game as each one of my companions.

 

[Butter]

I'd take a cosmetic day/night cycle over Larian companions.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I'll take being able to kill any NPC and still being able to advance the plot over a purely cosmetic day and night cycle, thanks.

I'll take having a proper day/night cycle and the whole constellation of minor design adjustments that come with it over the "amazing feature" of being able to replay the entire game as each one of my companions.

I remember when vignettes were considered a good thing
larian derangement syndrome.

 

[Fedora Master]

It's not so much a dubious proposition as much as an artistic/design choice. Since they don't feel comfortable doing a day/night cycle without "proper" mechanics to back it up, I don't see a reason to blame them for it.

They seem pretty confident with making a game with a ruleset they don't comprehend though.

 

[NJClaw]

I'll take being able to kill any NPC and still being able to advance the plot over a purely cosmetic day and night cycle, thanks.

being able to advance the plot

the plot

Dude, this is a Larian game... what do you think the plot is going to be? "A princess wanted to have sex with her cat so she turned him into a human to fuck him and he became a powerful sorcerer"?

No wait, they already did that.

It's easy to always be able to advance the plot when nothing you do even matters.

 

[Lacrymas]

It's easy to always be able to advance the plot when nothing you do even matters.

Yes! This is what I've always thought when people say "you can kill anyone in this vidya gaem".

 

[rusty_shackleford]

belgian man bad!

 

[rusty_shackleford]

hello fellow codexers, I also hate game you hate because it doesn't have visual-only day/night cycle
haha please give me brofists I hope you guys like my opinion that you also share that I share because it makes me cool

p.s.
choice in RPGs is bad, all RPGs should be linear visual novels

 

[NJClaw]

Rusty what are you saying? Do we need to call you an ambulance?

You're replying to two people that already stated multiple times this game doesn't need a visual-only day/night cycle. I know you don't read posts, but we need to find a way to help you understand what's going on.

 

[Larianshill]

Since we want to actually talk about the game, take a look at the reddit groupies downvoting a thread about the day/night cycle because it's not about fucking Astarion:

This subreddit is an awful fucking place, and it's a shock a thread about Reactions got some serious positive traction there recently.

That being said, I don't think a day/night cycle would benefit the game in any way at all.

 

[The_Mask]

That being said, I don't think a day/night cycle would benefit the game in any way at all.

Other than, say... mantaining the standard that both the previous games had it, and it meant something... ?