Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[BarbequeMasta]

D:OS2 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH better when you use mod that allows 6 characters in the party.

It's the best after running the uninstallation wizard

Even better if you install Kingmaker afterwards.

 

[Thac0]

I wonder if they have sidelined a few writers.
From talking to animals all around with the invocation that gives it for free they are written much worse than humans. Trash tier Divinity OS dialogue where they challenge you to fights over trees and shit, nothing of any significance. Maybe those are remnants from an earlier version, but hard to believe that they are written by the same person/team who did the main brunt of dialogue which is a good cut above that.

 

[whydoibother]

It sucks that Larian is insistent on bringing co-op into the picture because that's probably why they aren't willing to go beyond a party size of 4 characters.

I played Coop with 6 characters and it worked great, so I don't really know what is the problem that Larian insists on 4 members

In 5E they have easy way how to help downed character. With 6 characters, some encounters would be too easy.

And right now if a character dies, they are teleported to the camp, and you pay 200 gold to heal them and teleport them back into the fight. I don't think game balance is the issue.
Obviously this is an exploit and sucks to do, but complex games like this will ALWAYS have exploits and you can ALWAYS ruin your fun if you want to. This shouldn't be a reason not to allow more people.

 

[Robber Baron]

I'm more amazed that you can still exploit entering the combat with one character while others sneak and move freely while enemies are locked in TB combat

 

[whydoibother]

I'm more amazed that you can still exploit entering the combat with one character while others sneak and move freely while enemies are locked in TB combat

Its not a bug, its a feature. In co-op you can have the party split. You can have some characters refuse to do a fight, for roleplay reasons. And again, for balance, you can choose not to do that. If you think it ruins the game, you can choose not to ruin the game.

 

[smaug]

wait, do you have to buy the early access for $60 and buy the full game to for the same price?

 

[whydoibother]

wait, do you have to buy the early access for $60 and buy the full game to for the same price?

You preorder the game, and get early access. Buying early access for $60 is the preordering, you don't buy the game after that of course.

 

[Lacrymas]

The 4 character thing is imo for two reasons. First and foremost because it's easier to balance encounters, simple as that. People go on about "covering basics", but there have never been basics in D&D outside of a trap disarmer and arguably healing (which can be done by multiple classes, potions, and bandages). There is no disarm trap skill in 5E and traps don't work like that in this edition either way. Everyone can disarm traps if the traps can be disarmed in the first place. You could enforce a dexterity check as a DM, but everyone with the necessary tools can do it (and not every trap requires tools). There are also magical traps that do require a skill check, but it's arcana + Int modifier. Either way, my point is there are no basics in 5E, especially since short rests exist for healing. Thinking of this as an MMO is very wrong, there is no "holy trinity" of healer/tank/dps and a trap disarmer on top. The most important consideration is, like it has always been, to let players play the characters they want. Enforcing silly concepts like tank and DPS go against that and can't really work anyway because the DM controls the monsters.

The second reason is the assumed "default" party size of 5E is 4. That's it.

Maybe there's a third reason as well. Stick to what you know.

 

[whydoibother]

The "covering basics" in a VIDEO GAME version of D&D boils down to having a person who can use at least half of the loot. Do you have at least one guy who can cast the scrolls, wear the robes? At least one guy who needs the dexterity and the daggers? At least one guy who can use the amazing two hand weapon that dropped? Other than that, obviously you want one "leader" character to do the speaking, and obviously you want one "skills" character to craft or charm locks and so on, but thats it.
I think a party of 4 can cover all the basics, but it feels bad to bring a character with you for mechanical reasons, because they are strong and you need a character like that, while leaving a character you like and want to follow their story, because of skill overlap. Especially since I think you can't build characters differently from their intended development, you can't decide that the rogue will be a ranger now.

 

[Scruffy]

wtf is the difference between trade and barter?

 

[whydoibother]

wtf is the difference between trade and barter?

Trade is money for item.
Barter is item for item.

 

[Scruffy]

wtf is the difference between trade and barter?

Trade is money for item.
Barter is item for item.

right but why does the value of the item change wildly then?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

wtf is the difference between trade and barter?

Trade is money for item.
Barter is item for item.

right but why does the value of the item change wildly then?

Did you just assume an item's value? BG3 items are valuefluid.

 

[tripedal]

1d20 skillchecks should be replaced with 2d10. Right now, and given the railroaded style of the design, there's waaaaaaay too much randomness.

 

[Lacrymas]

The "covering basics" in a VIDEO GAME version of D&D boils down to having a person who can use at least half of the loot. Do you have at least one guy who can cast the scrolls, wear the robes? At least one guy who needs the dexterity and the daggers? At least one guy who can use the amazing two hand weapon that dropped? Other than that, obviously you want one "leader" character to do the speaking, and obviously you want one "skills" character to craft or charm locks and so on, but thats it.
I think a party of 4 can cover all the basics, but it feels bad to bring a character with you for mechanical reasons, because they are strong and you need a character like that, while leaving a character you like and want to follow their story, because of skill overlap. Especially since I think you can't build characters differently from their intended development, you can't decide that the rogue will be a ranger now.

You don't need to equip every piece that drops. As for skill overlap, 5E doesn't work like that anymore. Like I've said before, everyone can basically do everything almost as equally good as everyone else. Worrying too much about the proficiency bonus isn't in line with the actual game rules. And even if they've used my system of enforcing disadvantage on most non-proficient checks, most classes have a variety of skills to choose from, so you aren't limited to a handful of classes. Want to play a warlock/bard/druid/barbarian party? Go ahead. Fighter/rogue/ranger/cleric? Awesome.

1d20 skillchecks should be replaced with 2d10. Right now, and given the railroaded style of the design, there's waaaaaaay too much randomness.

It's the same in tabletop.

 

[Reapa]

Obviously if you dislike the Larian style of RPG you won't like this game either.

I just think it's funny though that for years the grognard consensus™ regarding the original Baldur's Gate games was that BioWare basically ruined the CPRG genre by 1) Establishing RTwP as the dominant combat system. 2) Neglecting choice & consequence. If only Baldur's Gate had been turn-based with lots of reactivity, we would have liked it!

Now we have a Baldur's Gate 3 made by a studio that, whatever else you want to say about them, seems obsessed with those two things, and it turns out that nope, that's not quite enough.

the mistake you are making is obvious:
you said IF BALDUR'S GATE had c&c and was turn based.
this is not baldur's gate.

 

[Jezal_k23]

Unfortunately the game always crashes for me after the transponder thing. I guess I'll be waiting on a hotfix for that...

 

[whydoibother]

You don't need to equip every piece that drops.

You don't, but it feels bad to have the best item that you ever found stuck in your inventory, and later vendored. I am not saying its bad balance, I'm saying its bad feels.

 

[curry]

btw I think it's hilarious that they call this game "Baldur's Gate 3" when it has nothing to do with the previous two games. They should have just called it Divinity Original Sin 3.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

btw I think it's hilarious that they call this game "Baldur's Gate 3" when it has nothing to do with the previous two games. They should have just called it Divinity Original Sin 3.

They don't want to taint their original IP.

 

[Storyfag]

It sucks that Larian is insistent on bringing co-op into the picture because that's probably why they aren't willing to go beyond a party size of 4 characters.

I played Coop with 6 characters and it worked great, so I don't really know what is the problem that Larian insists on 4 members

Probably WotC more than Larian. All of 5e is optimised with 4 characters in mind. Hell, I think the same had been true ever since 3e.

 

[The_Mask]

Did you just assume an item's value? BG3 items are valuefluid.

Meaning they're worth more for booze? This game just got a LOT better.



On a more serious note though: If you boys are thinking this the next BG, you're going to have a stroke. Think of this as NWN III, and things will make a lot more sense.

 

[whydoibother]

btw I think it's hilarious that they call this game "Baldur's Gate 3" when it has nothing to do with the previous two games. They should have just called it Divinity Original Sin 3.

They are racist towards grognards. Swen is a lich that feeds on the bitter jaded souls of people who refuse change.

Infinitron is right

Despite the original Baldur's Gate being full of change from the pen&paper system its based on.

 

[Delterius]

every time you find a +1 item, swen becomes stronger

 

[whydoibother]

every time you find a +1 item, swen becomes stronger

The issue is more about +1 items at vendors, rather than them dropping in the world. They don't drop THAT often. The magical items I got were unique stuff that are static drop at set locations, like the speaking with the dead medallion, or the dagger, or the goblin brand gloves.