Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Infinitron]

In case you didn't WATCH THE STREAM yet:

 

[Salvo]

Haven't watched it, not watching it, will not watch it

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Haven't watched it, not watching it, will not watch it

It has barbarians. There, saved you an hour or so.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I remember that one time I went to watch a photo gallery from Emilio Salgado. The subject of most of his pictures were distressed populations around the world. One of his comments I read back then stuck with me, about how a common human trait he noticed traveling around the globe was people's ability to grow used to the point of indifference to even the worst forms of pain, hardship and abuse over time.

In my mind, that also explains people growing more and more accepting of the Larian toilet chain.

Desensitization is also a problem with exposure to porn.

Spoiler

Larian would know about that too

 

[AwesomeButton]

It has barbarians. There, saved you an hour or so.

Indeed that's the only thing worth knowing unless you've been playing the EA, then you probably would also care about the UI changes. Other than this news, the stream is 1 hour of moronic Larian cosplay, and 2 hours Larian's streaming gameplay, which you either 1) could play yourself if you have the EA, or 2) can barely understand if you haven't played the EA, and it's not worth your time.

 

[Larianshill]

Despite Berserker Barbarian being absolute trash in the tabletop, literal bottom of the barrel, he's actually pretty damn good in BG3. I think I would actually pick him over the Bear Totem (or Bear Wildheart, because totems are cultural appropriation, apparently), at least for the first act of the game, which is a huge achievement - because Bear totem is one of the best subclasses around. This one additional attack as a bonus action is a real power spike.
From one of the worst subclasses to one of the best. What a transformation.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Despite Berserker Barbarian being absolute trash in the tabletop, literal bottom of the barrel

Is this the exhaustion talking?

 

[Larianshill]

Exhaustion mechanic makes the subclass literal garbage. I've had one player a few years back, who said that berserker gets a bad rep, and he's going to play it to prove it, and it's going to be great, because he's going to "manage exhaustion" or some shit. By level 6, he was begging me to allow him to change his subclass.
Luckily, Larian is better at balancing WotC's game than WotC, so we don't have garbage mechanics in the game of the century.

 

[jungl]

2-3 years later the game still looks like a divinity original sin mod. Those marbled white steps and the sunlight.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Exhaustion mechanic makes the subclass literal garbage. I've had one player a few years back, who said that berserker gets a bad rep, and he's going to play it to prove it, and it's going to be great, because he's going to "manage exhaustion" or some shit. By level 6, he was begging me to allow him to change his subclass.
Luckily, Larian is better at balancing WotC's game than WotC, so we don't have garbage mechanics in the game of the century.

Interesting. I happen to be playing one in another game, I should see if this holds.

 

[Larianshill]

Berserker is tolerable, if the DM is not running the game as intended (with multiple challenging encounters per day). As long as exhaustion doesn't come into play, you're fine. However, if you find yourself frenzying twice in the adventuring day, that's where the problems start. No other barbarian subclass gets punished for using his God-given features.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Berserker is tolerable, if the DM is not running the game as intended (with multiple challenging encounters per day). As long as exhaustion doesn't come into play, you're fine. However, if you find yourself frenzying twice in the adventuring day, that's where the problems start. No other barbarian subclass gets punished for using his God-given features.

Can't the berserker just opt to rage instead of frenzying?

 

[Larianshill]

You can, but at this point you're not using your subclass features. Bearbarian doesn't have to choose to be resistant to all damage only once per day, he gets that every time he rages. Is getting one additional attack (as a bonus action, mind you, so it might often conflict with GWM) during ONE encounter per day worth the opportunity cost of losing out on bear totem, wolf totem, or the Zealot's divine fury? Zealot gets 1d6+his barbarian level damage bonus, every round, for free. He doesn't get exhaustion for it.

 

[Fedora Master]

Haven't watched it, not watching it, will not watch it

It has faggots. There, saved you an hour or so.

Fixed

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

See what I mean, guys? We are doomed.
Few years of training to get used to shit and now we have even redditors majorly defending the chain system and downvoting criticism toward it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat...een_anyone_mention_this_yet_but_they/hx61ybk/

There's no light at the end of the tunnel.

I did some upvoting for you, but there is no hope.

It was my first time at that reddit and boy, what a brain cancer that is.

Yeah, I know. And even if it hardly makes a difference I appreciate the gesture.
But to be clear my worry is not winning an argument with a reddit moron. People who support a shit system worry me because they LEGITIMATE the shit in the eyes of the a developer who was already irrationally invested in defending a garbage design.

And look at how fucking stupid some of their arguments for it can be, too:

Still better than dragging squares around characters. That would be horrible. Also that's why I'm asking for more key bindings, it shouldn't be difficult to have a fixed key for each character, a key for group/ungroup, a combination of keys for select all, split group, specific commands, etc, and above all the ability to multiselect. Is ctrl + click such on outlandish concept?

This is a person that doesn't even UNDERSTAND the actual limitations of the system he's so invested in defending.
The problem with the toilet chain is that it doesn't allow "multi-selection" in any form to begin with.

Rant aside, I genuinely tried to explain it in a reply, but I'm fairly sure that will be buried in downvotes as well:

"Still better than dragging squares around characters."

No, objectively and measurably not better. It's not even a matter of opinions, there are metric on which UIs and control schemes can be measured on ("benchmarked" if you want): how long it takes to make simple, continuous actions, how quick it is to do anything, how many clicks are needed to achieve a certain result, etc.
We have hundreds of posts on the official forum (and everything else this topic was debated, really, included this very same subreddit in the past) detailing a mountain of cases where the Larian chain is systematically, unquestionably and unarguably the least efficient option of the two.

And "dragging squares around characters" (which IS quicker, more intuitive and more efficient than dragging portraits around to chain/unchain them) is only ONE of the many possible ways to make a multiple selection, so I don't really see the point of keep hanging on that strawman beatdown.
It also seems that you are misunderstanding the main problem of the chain system, which is NOT the "selection method" for multiple units but the fact that it NEVER LET YOU select multiple units. It's a system where you are constantly allowed to have a single selected character and the others rely on some form of automation/imitation.

https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat...een_anyone_mention_this_yet_but_they/hxcqyc6/

 

[The_Mask]

I'm starting to think Monks are superior.

Just kidding. I already knew that.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

In case you didn't WATCH THE STREAM yet:

1 hour of a guy playing a furry and another guy reading the player's handbook. ABSOLUTE CRINGE.

 

[Cryomancer]

2-3 years later the game still looks like a divinity original sin mod.

And it is not?

Just look to this thread. People who played BG1/2 multiple times are hating this game and Larian fans are loving. I really miss TSR. Even if you only play CRPG's. we had tons of amazing D&D CRPG's in SSI times. the true baldur's gate saga, Icewind dale, two games set in Dark Sun, two in Ravenloft, Krynn(...) And now with Woketards? Only generic wow clones, mobile cashgrabs and a DOS2 reskin

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I'm starting to think Monks are superior.

Just kidding. I already knew that.

Monks have no expenses and therefore no budget. Therefore there is no economic incentive to go adventuring, therefore monks are commies and hence not as superior as you claim.
Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

 

[Jedi Exile]

And it is not?

Just look to this thread. People who played BG1/2 multiple times are hating this game and Larian fans are loving. I really miss TSR. Even if you only play CRPG's. we had tons of amazing D&D CRPG's in SSI times. the true baldur's gate saga, Icewind dale, two games set in Dark Sun, two in Ravenloft, Krynn(...) And now with Woketards? Only generic wow clones, mobile cashgrabs and a DOS2 reskin

Well, I like this game. I am not a AD&D nerd though, so can't speak for them lol. But original BGs and IWD series are among my favourite games and I played them a lot.

 

[Swen]

2-3 years later the game still looks like a divinity original sin mod.

And it is not?

Just look to this thread. People who played BG1/2 multiple times are hating this game and Larian fans are loving. I really miss TSR. Even if you only play CRPG's. we had tons of amazing D&D CRPG's in SSI times. the true baldur's gate saga, Icewind dale, two games set in Dark Sun, two in Ravenloft, Krynn(...) And now with Woketards? Only generic wow clones, mobile cashgrabs and a DOS2 reskin

Keep it coming Victor

 

[Cnaiur]

2-3 years later the game still looks like a divinity original sin mod.

And it is not?

Just look to this thread. People who played BG1/2 multiple times are hating this game and Larian fans are loving. I really miss TSR. Even if you only play CRPG's. we had tons of amazing D&D CRPG's in SSI times. the true baldur's gate saga, Icewind dale, two games set in Dark Sun, two in Ravenloft, Krynn(...) And now with Woketards? Only generic wow clones, mobile cashgrabs and a DOS2 reskin

Liking Pathfinder is all fine and dandy, but don't come in here talking about 'Woketards' without prefacing it with a big dick disclaimer that you my friend, are a fucking hypocrite.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Complains about "HP bloat" in BG3 are also a bit questionable in the context of praising Pathfinder in contrast.

 

[Saravan]

2-3 years later the game still looks like a divinity original sin mod.

And it is not?

Just look to this thread. People who played BG1/2 multiple times are hating this game and Larian fans are loving. I really miss TSR. Even if you only play CRPG's. we had tons of amazing D&D CRPG's in SSI times. the true baldur's gate saga, Icewind dale, two games set in Dark Sun, two in Ravenloft, Krynn(...) And now with Woketards? Only generic wow clones, mobile cashgrabs and a DOS2 reskin

Liking Pathfinder is all fine and dandy, but don't come in here talking about 'Woketards' without prefacing it with a big dick disclaimer that you my friend, are a fucking hypocrite.

Which is surprising because autists are generally very consistent in nature.

 

[Cryomancer]

2-3 years later the game still looks like a divinity original sin mod.

And it is not?

Just look to this thread. People who played BG1/2 multiple times are hating this game and Larian fans are loving. I really miss TSR. Even if you only play CRPG's. we had tons of amazing D&D CRPG's in SSI times. the true baldur's gate saga, Icewind dale, two games set in Dark Sun, two in Ravenloft, Krynn(...) And now with Woketards? Only generic wow clones, mobile cashgrabs and a DOS2 reskin

Liking Pathfinder is all fine and dandy, but don't come in here talking about 'Woketards' without prefacing it with a big dick disclaimer that you my friend, are a fucking hypocrite.

I like Pathfinder RULESET and less than AD&D 2E. However, I do agree that writing in PF:WoTR is trash. And that modern Paizo is awful. But at least Paizo allowed OwlCat to maintain PF:WoTR in 1E instead of forcing the atrocious 4e/5e clone aka pf2e into then. Pf2e has all problems which plagues D&D 5e with all problems which plagues D&D 4e combined. I hate it.

Complains about "HP bloat" in BG3 are also a bit questionable in the context of praising Pathfinder in contrast.

There are a huge difference. hp bloat in a game where you can cast Absolute death :

Is 1000x less of a problem than hp bloat in a game where you can at best cast magic missile with very slow TB combat. And BTW, I prefer Kingmaker over WoTR and one of the reasons is because there are less bloat in Kingmaker.

therefore monks are commies and hence not as superior as you claim.

There are a huge difference. Monks made the vow of poverty and follow it. Commies wanna everyone else to make vow of poverty while the great leader and his friends live in absolute luxury.