Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Can somebody post that cartoon about how hobbies get taken over and how eventually the people who liked the hobby originally get kicked out?

Here's your image:

It is what's happening, but not for the reasons you think.

Larian actually seems to be doing their best to write a decent CRPG. I think a lot of the decline is from WotC.

The mandating of Minsc (WotC brought him back), Bhaal being in the game (WotC brought him back), Jaheira (been in several WotC products lately), not including an alignment system (according to Swen this was WotC's decision, but it's clear the team wrote along the alignment guidelines anyway).

So, yeah, Wizards is ruining D&D (again), but I don't think BG3 is the issue.

It may be over the top, but so was BG2 in a lot of ways:
>Start in a dungeon as the CHILD OF A DEAD GOD
>Imprisoned by a Mysterious Wizard
>Torture chamber
>Half-sister "a kindred soul"
>Golems
>Explosions
>Giant magical devices
>Imprisoned demon
>Traveling to other planes
>Genie in a lamp
>Dryads
>Clones
>Duergar
>Vampire
>Shadow thieves assaulting the secret lair of the wizard
>Explosions
>Massive mage battle with cowled wizards taking your waifu potato-faced half-sister

You guys shilling the "but BG1 just started out in Candlekeep!" angle are being a bit disingenuous to ignore all of this.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Oh, and we have 3d model of the slayer form, so Bhaal is somehow present in the story too.

5E brought him back, yes. This is known. It would almost be strange if they didn't have him in the game, since Wizard's went to such hammy lengths to bring him back in Baldur's Gate of all places.

Spoiler

Reemergence​

For a time, it was believed that any possibility for Bhaal's resurrection had been stopped. The last known Bhaalspawn, Abdel Adrian, resisted the murderous impulses caused by his lineage and became a famed and beloved figure in the city of Baldur's Gate. In the Year of the Narthex Murders, 1482 DR, near the beginning of the era known as the Second Sundering, Viekang, another Bhaalspawn who was thought to be dead, attacked Adrian as he spoke to a crowd in the portion of town known as The Wide. While the ultimate winner of the duel is unknown, the victor transformed into a massive, blood-soaked creature and began a rampage that was only stopped when a group of adventurers new to Baldur's Gate defeated and killed the monstrosity.[21]

With all of his children dead, all of Bhaal's essence was freed, allowing for his resurrection. Bhaal was revived, and reclaimed the murder domain from Cyric.[22] However, the Lord of Murder was no longer a true deity, and was instead a being of quasi-divine status. As with Bane and Myrkul, he was effectively a mortal.[1]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal#cite_note-dia-p231-1

I know he's back, the question is...
How the fuck they will include Bhaal slayer in a story about illithids, githyanki and possibly netherese shadow magic.

 

[luj1]

D&D has changed a lot since BG1&2. So for instance, BG1 you adventure around, fight some kobolds, help some farmers, etc. end up in Baldur's Gate which is presented as almost entirely human with a few demihumans of different sorts.

BG3 in what I played of it is like 90% tieflings and drow and shit.

So we went from fantasy medieval peasantry to full blown interplanar invasion setting

Society changed, not DnD

Thats why every game is like Planescape now, just look at BG3 and WotR

Everyone must be some kind of special snowflake or overdesigned character

No sense of measure. But of course retards like you will love it

I was with you up until the last line. What's the matter, luj1? Boyfriend didn't use lube last night?

You mean, please lull me to sleep with a good homoerotic story, luj1

Well, you know what's coming in BG3, don't you?

Spoiler

Don't know, don't care

But I'm sure you are thrilled about tentacle porn making an appearance, just like other closet sodomites here

 

[Grunker]

This is the default humans... people are looking forward to this and giving them money.

In terms of globohomo, this is pretty weak.

Dwarf Fortress FORCES you to have tranny characters in every game. CDProjekt shows you tranny adverts throughout the game, and had a guy do a promo video wearing a World Economic FOrum ESG guidlines shirt. These are rookie numbers, Swen!

And seeing as how they got butthurt that everyone was making White males as their player characters, I am actually looking forward to the eventual buttblistered spergout by some dev commenting that almost NO ONE keeps the default skin tone.

Ironically, there is no one quite as sensitive as the most vociferous opponents of political correctness. Just a whiff of SJW will disturb their delicate palates and have them crying for cancellation

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

How the fuck they will include Bhaal slayer in a story about illithids, githyanki and possibly netherese shadow magic.

How will they not, dude? Seems like everyone in every plane already knows about the things, and that Bhaal is pretty much camped out in Baldur's Gate anyway, according to 5E.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Ironically, there is no one quite as sensitive as the edgy crowd. Just a whiff of SJW will provoke their delicate sensibilities

Maybe I'm just desensitized to it?

When I'm used to seeing things like The Sims 4, where they have male-bodied pregnancies and an LGBT-friendly character creation or Cyberpunk dangling a tranny dick in your face during character creation, I kind of give a pass to "negro girl as the default model".

 

[Dadd]

They need to fix the lurid color scheme and excessively smooth/soft-looking textures. Otherwise it will be painful to play, even if the mechanics were great.

This thread and the Dragon Age thread are indistinguishable. It's probably too late to fix the art style though.

 

[mediocrepoet]

When I'm used to seeing things like The Sims 4, where they have male-bodied pregnancies

What? Seriously? In the base game? Is it an option, or just something that happens?

 

[Fedora Master]

Larian actually seems to be doing their best to write a decent CRPG.

In the same way PDX tries to make good GSGs.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Can somebody post that cartoon about how hobbies get taken over and how eventually the people who liked the hobby originally get kicked out?

It may be over the top, but so was BG2 in a lot of ways:
>Start in a dungeon as the CHILD OF A DEAD GOD
>Imprisoned by a Mysterious Wizard
>Torture chamber
>Half-sister "a kindred soul"
>Golems
>Explosions
>Giant magical devices
>Imprisoned demon
>Traveling to other planes
>Genie in a lamp
>Dryads
>Clones
>Duergar
>Vampire
>Shadow thieves assaulting the secret lair of the wizard
>Explosions
>Massive mage battle with cowled wizards taking your waifu potato-faced half-sister

You guys shilling the "but BG1 just started out in Candlekeep!" angle are being a bit disingenuous to ignore all of this.

Yeah, I don't think we're the ones disingenuous here.
Focus for a second here, because this is kind of important part - BG2 is not the first game in the storyline. It's not a low level adventure. It's a mid-high level adventure.
Weird wizard dungeon is appropriate for it.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

When I'm used to seeing things like The Sims 4, where they have male-bodied pregnancies

What? Seriously? In the base game? Is it an option, or just something that happens?

Welcome to clown world. It was added with a patch ages ago. I've never bought it, but you can go on youtube and see the options:

 

[rusty_shackleford]

reminder that bg2 had nothing to do with baldur's gate and was the one with the inappropriate title, not bg3

 

[Reinhardt]

What about Imoen?

he's also big homo

 

[Fedora Master]

reminder that bg2 had nothing to do with baldur's gate and was the one with the inappropriate title, not bg3

Reminder that this person played and enjoyed Fallout 76

 

[rusty_shackleford]

reminder that bg2 had nothing to do with baldur's gate and was the one with the inappropriate title, not bg3

Reminder that this person played and enjoyed Fallout 76

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/wobbledogs.139215/

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Yeah, I don't think we're the ones disingenuous here.
Focus for a second here, because this is kind of important part - BG2 is not the first game in the storyline.

And neither is BG3. That's why there's a 3. This may not be a direct sequel, but it's still a sequel. I can see why they'd want to one-up BG2.

It's stupid that you're starting out with clearly experienced adventurers, a gith soldier, a mage that knows Mystra etc., and you're still low-level, but the mere inclusion of high-fantasy is understandable.

It may not be what you personally want, but it was bound to have all of this stuff, since Wizard's is trying to promote campaigns like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur's_Gate:_Descent_into_Avernus

Character levels 1–13

And this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelljammer:_Adventures_in_Space

Character levels 5–8

Pay attention to the recommended character levels there.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

first 5 minutes of bg1 you see two epic level mages capable of fighting dragons duel it out to the death lmao
just because the graphics suck doesn't mean it isn't true

 

[Fedora Master]

This may not be a direct sequel, but it's still a sequel

"it's not a sequel but it's a sequel"

 

[NecroLord]

Just why the fuck did they bring back Bhaal?
I thought he was dead for good.
After all, his essence was either dispersed or merged with Gorion's Ward, who, in turn, becomes a deity(Throne of Bhaal).
Don't tell me they follow that Abdel Adrian shit?

 

[NecroLord]

Forgotten Realms deities are fucking dumb.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Gentlemen, I think

Just why the fuck did they bring back Bhaal?
I thought he was dead for good.
After all, his essence was either dispersed or merged with Gorion's Ward, who, in turn, becomes a deity(Throne of Bhaal).
Don't tell me they follow that Abdel Adrian shit?

Yes. But no.
IIRC Abdel Adrian is canon, but not exactly his book version.

 

[Fedora Master]

Just why the fuck did they bring back Bhaal?
I thought he was dead for good.
After all, his essence was either dispersed or merged with Gorion's Ward, who, in turn, becomes a deity(Throne of Bhaal).
Don't tell me they follow that Abdel Adrian shit?

Wizards is just nostalgia baiting because all the new shit they came up with flopped. Remember the Raven Queen?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

"it's not a sequel but it's a sequel"

I said "direct". As in, with the same main character.

It still obviously has other characters, and still involves Baldur's Gate and Bhaal.

Hardly the first sequel to do this sort of thing either. Are you playing the same character in Divinity: Original Sin 2? What about in NWN 2?

 

[Grunker]

Just why the fuck did they bring back Bhaal?
I thought he was dead for good.
After all, his essence was either dispersed or merged with Gorion's Ward, who, in turn, becomes a deity(Throne of Bhaal).
Don't tell me they follow that Abdel Adrian shit?

because all the new shit they came up with flopped

Isn't 5E a huge success? The internet seems rife with all the shitty non-characters that came out of the nu-lore

 

[rusty_shackleford]

fallout 2 isn't a sequel to fallout because you don't play the same main character