Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 is Trash

[Drakortha]

You can't even make your own custom party.

You can. Either by playing co-op or by recruiting tokens (or however they were called) somewhat later in the game.

Hirelings do not make a custom party. They are just Larian premades.

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Hirelings

Another incomplete feature in this 'Masterpiece'

 

[jackofshadows]

They are just Larian premades.

You can respec all of them. Does appearance matter to you that much? For full custom there's co-op, like I said. But yeah you need 3 other people to start it. I imagine a proper custom single party start was a very low priority feature if it ever was. Why some grognards who used to it would play this in the first place anyway? You yourself is an example: you talk about these features but even if they would've been there you would just find some other stuff to complain about.

 

[Drakortha]

You can't even make your own custom party.

You can use hirelings like you could in pillars. You have to be lvl 3 though.

I played Pillars. You could create your Hirelings from scratch, including their gender, name, race, and background.

In BG3 you are stuck with what Larian gives you, because only Larian knows what's best for your roleplay.

 

[Litmanen]

I've read your opinion, that's why I'm here. So, your point doesn't make any sense, like anything else you have ever said.

I've just said "Stop wasting our time". Do not repeat useless, unsupported and idiotic things (like "TOW is better"). Focus on your hate for Bethesda just because you want to suck their dicks (and that says everything on your RPGs' taste) and they don't care about your mouth.

At least, for a brief moment, we give your mouth its importance here.

This is my thread, and I'm the one giving your mouth importance here by responding to you. You should be grateful that I'm even responding to your lame attempts to get under my skin, you little ringworm. Now go crawl back into whatever orifice you oozed out from.

You are giving importance to no one. You just opened this thread because you needed attentions and we are giving them to you. But we cannot also tell you're right. That would be so much effort for a pathetic moron like you.

 

[Drakortha]

They are just Larian premades.

Does appearance matter to you that much?

It's supposed to be a crpg. The gender, names, appearance, and background of my companions are pretty central to that.

It's also called Baldur's Gate 3. What if I wanted to re-create my custom party from 1&2? Shit out of luck, I guess. Only 4 character parties, too.

The Codex was seething when Deadfire had 5. Yet they defend BG3. It's a joke.

 

[Swen]

Outside of this schizo thread in the real world, it has 628k+ steam user reviews with a 96% positive rating.


You're a fringe minority that doesn't like it, cope and seethe about it all you want in this containment thread but BG3 is the de facto new gold standard for rpg's.

Can you actually cite a reason why BG3 isn't hot garbage? Because saying "628k retards like this game" is not convincing me.

Who won music artist of the year last year? Lady gaga or something? Eminem? Snoop dog? It's all dogshit despite it's popularity.. But calling it out as junk music isn't me coping and seething, it's just facts..

I guess you can't account for shit taste, huh?

My good friend, the music of BG3 won a lot of awards last year but I assume they don't count because it doesn't fit your cope agenda.

 

[Litmanen]

They are just Larian premades.

Does appearance matter to you that much?

It's supposed to be a crpg. The gender, names, appearance, and background of my companions are pretty central to that.

It's also called Baldur's Gate 3. What if I wanted to re-create my custom party from 1&2? Shit out of luck, I guess. Only 4 character parties, too.

The Codex was seething when Deadfire had 5. Yet they defend BG3. It's a joke.

Yeah, you mean the successor to the two games that didn't give you the chance to hire mercenaries (and respec them) and stick with companions who were given to you?

So, you are complaning about something that is present and doable in BG3 and saying more or less "it was better in BG1&2, where this thing was completely impossible."

 

[Hydro]

locations like that burning mansion being separated from the rest of the start levels makes much more sense.

For single player game, yes. For co-op ready game, no. I too hate with passion theme park level design but what we have here is a compromise. Imagine people would be waiting much more time for other party players than they have to if all the points of interest would have been properly separated.

You can't even make your own custom party.

You can. Either by playing co-op or by recruiting tokens (or however they were called) somewhat later in the game.

But a game crafted with love doesn't leave out basic fundamental features, such as a world map. Who crafts a game world with love and leaves out a map?

Like I pointed out already, the portal system have made the world map redundant so they discarded it in-game but included in the artbook. Another compromise.

That's some mental acrobatics. The fact that it’s a compromise doesn’t justify the shit world design. They had to cater to a plenty of types of poop eaters so it’s one hell of a compromise.

 

[cvv]

The entire Baldur's Gate saga is of questionable quality. The only truly excellent part of the entire package is the soundtrack of the first game. Everything else is acceptable at best.

I've always thought BG1&2 are stupidly overrated on Codex but this is an isofag-supremacist site and I accept it. I still like being here, despite most Dexers inability to see the clear superiority of blobbers. It's not like I could last more than a few seconds on any other site with my views.

As for BG3 I enjoyed it way more. At least it has a proper combat system instead of that RTwP abomination that rightfully disappeared into the shitter of history. And apparently it has pronouns too but I for one never noticed because I picked an origin char as my MC (which is always a good idea in a Larian game) so I've never had to deal with the character creator (plus the game doesn't perma-display pronouns for your enjoyment in the fucking character screen like Avowed).

 

[ShiningSoldier]

Outside of this schizo thread in the real world, it has 628k+ steam user reviews with a 96% positive rating.


You're a fringe minority that doesn't like it, cope and seethe about it all you want in this containment thread but BG3 is the de facto new gold standard for rpg's.

I understand what you mean, but "popular" doesn't mean "good". Or you have to admit that songs of Cardi B, for example, is a gold standard for music. Because she's popular.

 

[ShiningSoldier]

The entire Baldur's Gate saga is of questionable quality. The only truly excellent part of the entire package is the soundtrack of the first game. Everything else is acceptable at best.

I've always thought BG1&2 are stupidly overrated on Codex but this is an isofag-centric site and I accept it. I still like being here. It's not like I could last more than a few seconds on any other site with my views.

As for BG3 I enjoyed it way more. At least it has a proper combat system instead of that RTwP abomination that rightfully disappeared into the shitter of history. And apparently it has pronouns too but I for one never noticed because I picked a legacy char as my MC (which is always a good idea in a Larian game) so I've never had to deal with a character creator (plus the game doesn't perma-display pronouns for your enjoyment in the fucking character screen like Avowed).

I think combat system in BG1&2 was awful, but I disagree that it's "proper" in BG3. For example, mage has only one really useful damaging spell - Fireball. Warriors spend all battles just spamming simple attacks. I played as monk and beat the entire game on Tactician by using 2 attacks.

 

[jackofshadows]

It's supposed to be a crpg. The gender, names, appearance, and background of my companions are pretty central to that.

It all matters a lot for "origin" characters. For your basically silent combat dudes that doesn't really matter just like in older RPGs.

It's also called Baldur's Gate 3. What if I wanted to re-create my custom party from 1&2?

What custom party lmao. There it was too possible only via multiplayer gimmick.

The Codex was seething when Deadfire had 5. Yet they defend BG3. It's a joke.

I haven't seen anyone defending 4 party limit, same goes for Solasta btw.

That's some mental acrobatics. The fact that it’s a compromise doesn’t justify the shit world design. They had to cater to a plenty of types of poop eaters so it’s one hell of a compromise.

How it's a mental acrobatics when I myself said I hate it? Underdark and the whole 2 act (arguably 3 too) are much, much better in that regard though.

 

[cvv]

I think combat system in BG1&2 was awful, but I disagree that it's "proper" in BG3.

By proper I mean turn-based. As for the details, I agree, I've said in my revioo I consider Larian's own combat system they used in D:OS 1/2 way better. But the BG3 combat is still TB and it still offers acceptable fun.

 

[Drakortha]

It's also called Baldur's Gate 3. What if I wanted to re-create my custom party from 1&2?

What custom party lmao. There it was too possible only via multiplayer gimmick.

Ah, you're right. My bad. It was the Enhanced Editions that I recently played. Beamdog added full custom groups from the new game screen.

I guess then it's reasonable to expect that Larian will be adding it in with love and care with the BG3 Enhanced Edition.. oh wait..

 

[jackofshadows]

Ah, you're right. My bad. It was the Enhanced Editions that I recently played. Beamdog added full custom groups from the new game screen.

I guess then it's reasonable to expect that Larian will be adding it in with love and care with the BG3 Enhanced Edition.. oh wait..

I'm reading now you don't need 3 other people, it's possible just run 3 another instances of BG3 on your own PC etc. There're probably mods for that too now (as well as for increasing party limit). As for Larian, they were setting priorities according to their TA like any reasonable company would do and they succeeded. By the way, I too only by one foot there in the TA at best but I'm just for trashing a game for the right reasons, not made up ones.

 

[Drakortha]

As for Larian, they were setting priorities according to their TA like any reasonable company would do and they succeeded.

Larian's priorities were:

"How can we re-use every square inch of our Original Sin 2 mould? Re-use and recycle is our motto"

"If it doesn't fit the mould, cut it. We're not making this game for Baldur's Gate fans, anyway"

"How much of our budget can we spend on motion capture and cutscenes and still have money left over for marketing, live panel events, and bribing Youtube reviewers?"

Something like that probably?

Swen is such the fraud he makes Todd Howard green with envy.

 

[jackofshadows]

Larian's priorities were:

To go full "cinematic", yeah. And to up their production values in general as much as possible. But they also invested a lot into reactivity, it's very impressive. And in terms of mechanics the game is rich too, unlike all those "movie-games" for consoles and such. That's indeed in large part was heritage of DOS 2 but not in terms of assets in general. They've made a massive amount of work there, you just haven't seen anything beyond the start of the game it seems.

 

[Silverfish]

I've just said "Stop wasting our time".

"I chose to click on a thread I knew I wouldn't like and then kept reading. This is your fault."

Larian's priorities were:

Make the game for Critical Role's audience and coomers.

 

[Butter]

It's really shocking that people tolerate Larian UI game after game.

 

[Swen]

Outside of this schizo thread in the real world, it has 628k+ steam user reviews with a 96% positive rating.


You're a fringe minority that doesn't like it, cope and seethe about it all you want in this containment thread but BG3 is the de facto new gold standard for rpg's.

I understand what you mean, but "popular" doesn't mean "good". Or you have to admit that songs of Cardi B, for example, is a gold standard for music. Because she's popular.

But the reviews are literally good from actual gamers to critics. So whatever angle you look at it, BG3 is a good game. Only on this fringe schizo forum are some seething about its success.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Outside of this schizo thread in the real world, it has 628k+ steam user reviews with a 96% positive rating.


You're a fringe minority that doesn't like it, cope and seethe about it all you want in this containment thread but BG3 is the de facto new gold standard for rpg's.

I understand what you mean, but "popular" doesn't mean "good". Or you have to admit that songs of Cardi B, for example, is a gold standard for music. Because she's popular.

But the reviews are literally good from actual gamers to critics. So whatever angle you look at it, BG3 is a good game. Only on this fringe schizo forum are some seething about its success.

It's because as soon as the options are available for deviant gay sex, they can't help but choose them, so they have to act offended that they're there in the first place. It's not that they're gay degenerates, it's the dev's fault for including options.

 

[Hydro]

Larian's priorities were:

To go full "cinematic", yeah. And to up their production values in general as much as possible. But they also invested a lot into reactivity, it's very impressive. And in terms of mechanics the game is rich too, unlike all those "movie-games" for consoles and such. That's indeed in large part was heritage of DOS 2 but not in terms of assets in general. They've made a massive amount of work there, you just haven't seen anything beyond the start of the game it seems.

Yes, reactivity. Can’t forget how the game refused to react to anything slightly deviating from the “intended” path.

 

[Litmanen]

Outside of this schizo thread in the real world, it has 628k+ steam user reviews with a 96% positive rating.


You're a fringe minority that doesn't like it, cope and seethe about it all you want in this containment thread but BG3 is the de facto new gold standard for rpg's.

I understand what you mean, but "popular" doesn't mean "good". Or you have to admit that songs of Cardi B, for example, is a gold standard for music. Because she's popular.

But the reviews are literally good from actual gamers to critics. So whatever angle you look at it, BG3 is a good game. Only on this fringe schizo forum are some seething about its success.

It's because as soon as the options are available for deviant gay sex, they can't help but choose them, so they have to act offended that they're there in the first place. It's not that they're gay degenerates, it's the dev's fault for including options.

Since I joined this forum less than a year ago, this is something I’ve often found myself saying: people should embrace their homosexuality and not make it a big deal. I wouldn’t judge them for that, quite the opposite. I judge them for being moron.

 

[gurugeorge]

They are just Larian premades.

Does appearance matter to you that much?

It's supposed to be a crpg. The gender, names, appearance, and background of my companions are pretty central to that.

It's also called Baldur's Gate 3. What if I wanted to re-create my custom party from 1&2? Shit out of luck, I guess. Only 4 character parties, too.

The Codex was seething when Deadfire had 5. Yet they defend BG3. It's a joke.

It's all relative, the standards have lowered even further than in Deadfire's day (and Deadfire is quite liked these days anyway, as is Pillows 1, at least with the DLC).

The plain fact of the matter is that if you're talking about contemporary non-indie CRPPS, only Owlcat and Larian games are worth a damn, imperfect though they may be in many dimensions.

The key thing about BG3 is reactivity and C&C btw, along with reasonably fun tactical gameplay, if you crank it up. The out-of-the-box experience is a bit too tainted with wokery, but if you mod that out as much as it can be modded, BG3 will reward you with some "magic moments" that you traditionally get with good CRPGs, where your sense of immersion in the virtual world and your engagement with the gameplay and story create a "magic eye" feeling of something that's more than the sum of its parts, that "pops" as an adventure simulation. That's the only real CRPG criterion worth a damn, if you can get that feeling, everything else is seondary or the product of analysis. And the Owlcat and Larian games, for all their faults flaws and quirks, do deliver moments like that, as the BioWare of yore used to.

 

[Old Hans]

I will say this game has possibly the worst crime system ever designed

and nothing ruins the moment of being a sneaky rogue ambusher, when you attack a neutral NPC and get an annoying little dialog scene that states you are being arrested for assault