Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Lacrymas]

Why!?

It's getting money from people to alpha/beta test your game. They've done it for a while now, they even do that in-house. Swen also uses volunteers for events, rather than pay for staff.

 

[The Wall]

Realms Beyond and Black Gaysir will be true.TM Baldur's Gate 3. Swen, change my mind

 

[Bara]

I forget now did DOS2 release on gogs as a "in development" game or did we have to wait for full release.

 

[frajaq]

Black Gaysir

whats going on with that game anyway, I remember some time where codex talked a lot about it

 

[Ontopoly]

Black Gaysir

whats going on with that game anyway, I remember some time where codex talked a lot about it

They haven't put anything out in a while. I think the last thing was just them going through the first dungeon and showing some dialogue and combat.

 

[Nano]

I miss Bubbles

? I thought BEvers was Bubbles's new account.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I miss Bubbles

? I thought BEvers was Bubbles's new account.

I... didn't know.

 

[GhostCow]

Early access needs to die. Releasing this on early access when they have a huge team and plenty of funding is shameful and disgusting

 

[Lacrymas]

People take the bait because it's not overtly exploitative. They think of it as a bonus to their preorder, as opposed to a scummy business practice. I'm neutral about it because I respect the ingenuity and there are no actual victims; people get the game they paid for after that anyway, and they get to feel like they are contributing to development, which is kinda true in a minute statistical way.

 

[The Wall]

Early access needs to die.

Then with it all hopes for new decent to genious indie and AA RPGs die. Do you realize that literally 9/10 Codex RPG darlings, including AoD and Underrail, in past 5-8 years have been in Early Access and that without it, as flawed abused system as it might be, there would be no financial possibilities for these mini companies to make anything except flappy bird spin offs. Hatred for Early Access is like hatred for second amendment, sure it produces few victims but secures existance of many. Early Access is financing and enabling 90% of incline, and that's fact

 

[Elex]

Early access needs to die.

Then with it all hopes for new decent to genious indie and AA RPGs die. Do you realize that literally 9/10 Codex RPG darlings, including AoD and Underrail, in past 5-8 years have been in Early Access and that without it, as flawed abused system as it might be, there would be no financial possibilities for these mini companies to make anything except flappy bird spin offs. Hatred for Early Access is like hatred for second amendment, sure it produces few victims but secures existance of many. Early Access is financing and enabling 90% of incline, and that's fact

And i loved uderrail during beta.

 

[luj1]

Preorders, early accesses, kickstarters, stretchgoals, all this needs to die in purifying flames.

 

[DalekFlay]

Enough money to have 350 people working on it but not enough money to just release a finished game? GTFO.

 

[Lacrymas]

Then with it all hopes for new decent to genious indie and AA RPGs die. Do you realize that literally 9/10 Codex RPG darlings, including AoD and Underrail, in past 5-8 years have been in Early Access and that without it, as flawed abused system as it might be, there would be no financial possibilities for these mini companies to make anything except flappy bird spin offs. Hatred for Early Access is like hatred for second amendment, sure it produces few victims but secures existance of many. Early Access is financing and enabling 90% of incline, and that's fact

Apples and oranges. We aren't talking about 3 people or a Serb in a basement (for which I'm 100% for early access), Larian are a company with 350 employees (or at least that's how many are working on BG3). They have money to release/develop the game.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[The Wall]

Apples and oranges. We aren't talking about 3 people or a Serb in a basement (for which I'm 100% for early access), Larian are a company with 350 employees (or at least that's how many are working on BG3). They have money to release/develop the game.

Sure, lemons and watermelons better reflect it thou. Difference between Colony Ship, next Iron Tower game, and Baldur's Gate 3 is yugeee! Yet, both will participate in Early Access

Let's look at it from this angle: Larian needz fresh capital injection and has unfinished game and you want Baldur's Gate 3, don't care how much it's incomplete and you need it early, need it right nhow! Early Access makes both of your wishes true. If you don't want to play unfinished Baldur's Gate 3, you'll wait. But we both know you probably won't. Maybe you're concerned that ea will further delay release. Ok, but after 20 years, what's one more

Bought and forgot until release or on release, what's the true difference? Maybe 10$

 

[Darth Canoli]

Apples and oranges. We aren't talking about 3 people or a Serb in a basement (for which I'm 100% for early access), Larian are a company with 350 employees (or at least that's how many are working on BG3). They have money to release/develop the game.

If they're able to release something half as good as KotC with their 350 people, everything is forgiven ...

 

[The Wall]

They have money to release/develop the game.

Agreed with this part, thou. Main reason for Early Access in this case is good old greed. Perhaps incompetence, financial and managerial too

 

[Harthwain]

They have money to release/develop the game.

Agreed with this part, thou. Main reason for Early Access in this case is greed. Perhaps incompetence, financial and managerial too

I wouldn't discount players' feedback as one of the reasons behind them going for the Early Access route, as lukaszek pointed out.

 

[Alienman]

Don't forget, some people enjoyed that game. I hated it (mostly), but there were people that liked it from the get go, warts and all. The reason I hated it was ingrained in the design of the game, so I don't really get what EA would have magically changed in that case?

 

[Lacrymas]

I wouldn't discount players' feedback as one of the reasons behind them going for the Early Access route, as lukaszek pointed out.

I'm skeptical of the feedback quality they get from Early Access. Their ability to filter that feedback is also suspect. Not only that, they implemented ridiculous changes to D:OS2 when it was already out of EA, like round robin. At most, I trust EA to catch obscure bugs. Most bugs should be caught internally by QA testers.

 

[Curratum]

Do you really think that a massive game with tons of production value is going to change considerably and meaningfully thanks to player feedback?

That may work for indies that are smaller, less asset and production-intensive and generally easier to drag back to the drawing board, but for something as expensive and big, player feedback is going to make zero actual difference.

 

[luj1]

Apples and oranges. We aren't talking about 3 people or a Serb in a basement (for which I'm 100% for early access), Larian are a company with 350 employees (or at least that's how many are working on BG3).

They have money to release/develop the game.

Then the cuck apologists will come out and say, b-b-but $30 million is not enough money, they need more

 

[Grotesque]

To make a game with early access available is a sure way to cheapen and dilute the impact of the gaming experience the finished product would've had on the buyer if released without early access.


First you fail to impress with a polished game the players whose hobby is to beta-test your game.
Then there are the players who get spoilers because of the inevitable spillage of the game's details because of butthurt beta-testers, because they are genuinely interested of your game and can't help themselves because curiosity.

So the best gaming experience at launch will have the casuals that only learned of the game's existence one day before it 's properly released.
In this case, ignorance is truly bliss.

 

[Infinitron]

From Larian's perspective, they've had good experiences with Early Access - D:OS 1 & 2. So why shouldn't they continue?