Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Darth Roxor]

Jesus christ can you breathe for two seconds, you have seen a few leaked screenshots with zero context in pre-early access development timeframe and conclude the enterity of the dialogue will be written in that way. Grab your asthma inhaler and relax.

pretty sure it's an informed conclusion given that it's the same kind of shit as the tardo dialogue in dos2, except with a different pointless quirk (past tense instead of second person)

@Darth Roxor thoughts?

gave zero fucks, still do

 

[Saravan]

Just how butthurt and insecure do you have to be

Imagine being retarded

 

[JarlFrank]

The first person narrative of the dialog is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in a video game. Ever. It is horrible. This is what I mean about Larian and their goofy-ass approach to things. Why do they do this? What is the benefit of introducing such a horribly clunky narrative style? It is pure garbage, infuriating to read. Any half-decent writer in English would have told Sven this is a terrible fucking idea.

I'm not strictly a fan of this approach, but in all honesty I also don't give a shit about it and I think for all intents and purposes it's practically inconsequential.
I'd be curious to read something *rational* about why do you people care so fucking much about trivial shit like this.

In practical terms the difference between a non-voiced
"Yes, I agree"
and a non-voiced
*I told him I agreed*
is entirely flavor. It doesn't change a fucking thing.

It feels weird and impersonal. It felt jarring in Div: OS2 and made my character feel quite... well, character-less.

 

[Theodora]

Baldur's Gate and D&D are two different things. Temple of Elemental Evil had a much better implementation of true D&D combat than Baldur's Gate did but you wouldn't call it a better Baldur's Gate game.

Barring the fact the writing and tone of the game isn't actually as good as we remember it, it's still a fact that Baldur's Gate was as much about the adventure as it was a combat game, probably more so in the first one where 70% of the game was just an endless series of trash combat punctuated by a tough fight or two for every map you explored until you got to Baldur's Gate (of course, they were trying to replicate Fellowship of the Ring they had to keep it simple or it wouldn't have worked for that open world, exploratory part of the game).

But really, the point is that this doesn't look like Baldur's Gate 3. It looks like Original Sin 3 except now it's D&D. Maybe a best case scenario considering the alternatives but certainly not exactly a successful sequel to that game, not for any of us who remember what it was like when Baldur's Gate hit the market.

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I know exactly what you describe when you talk about the mystery of fantasy and wanting to relive it. It's like the difference between Tolkien's writing and Peter Jackson's movies.

I don't take issue with that, I just think decreeing the quality of the game at this stage, based off leaked screenshots of an unfinished product, is unwise.

And most of all, I don't think the combat being turn based has any bearing that or 'a sense of real adventure'.

 

[Lacrymas]

While it is unusual, I know why they do the indirect speech thing. There's quite a difference between how a well-educated nobleman, a merchant, a peasant, or a sub-80 IQ orc would express themselves. The word choices, sentence structure and topics are all different, so it's weird to have all of these characters talking the same way.

 

[fantadomat]

Not sure which is uglier, the actor or the character model.

Spoiler

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Combatfags are the only true citizens of Arpigian.

I myself prefer TB and value good gameplay, but this false dichotomy of storyfags and combatfags is shit. While some of us can tolerate bad gameplay when there is a good story to be experienced (or vice versa), a true RPG connoisseur should demand both good combat and good story from their games.

The dichotomy comes from game journos and people bad at games who argue combat should be optional because they suck at it.

Beyond that there seems to be this level of gamer snobbery where if you admit you like killing things and leveling up you're no better than the average popamole CoD player. You must like RPGs for their sophisticated, monocled thematic elements like elegant allegory of Plato's cave, not base pleasures such as slaughtering your foes and stealing their stuff.

 

[FranticDistortion]

The first person narrative of the dialog is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in a video game. Ever. It is horrible. This is what I mean about Larian and their goofy-ass approach to things. Why do they do this? What is the benefit of introducing such a horribly clunky narrative style? It is pure garbage, infuriating to read. Any half-decent writer in English would have told Sven this is a terrible fucking idea.

I'm not strictly a fan of this approach, but in all honesty I also don't give a shit about it and I think for all intents and purposes it's practically inconsequential.
I'd be curious to read something *rational* about why do you people care so fucking much about trivial shit like this.

In practical terms the difference between a non-voiced
"Yes, I agree"
and a non-voiced
*I told him I agreed*
is entirely flavor. It doesn't change a fucking thing.

It feels weird and impersonal. It felt jarring in Div: OS2 and made my character feel quite... well, character-less.

I think biggest drawback of that delivery is forcing player to be the character, which immediately creates subconscious pushback amongst the lines of "But this monk named Asscrackin Fist is not supposed to be me at all".

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

It feels weird and impersonal. It felt jarring in Div: OS2 and made my character feel quite... well, character-less.

Yeah, it does and as I said I'm not a fan.
I still think it doesn't fucking matter in the end.

I'm orders of magnitude more concerned about how they are going to handle their itemization that about having dialogue options listed as indirect dialogues.

 

[Reinhardt]

Combatfags are the only true citizens of Arpigian.

I myself prefer TB and value good gameplay, but this false dichotomy of storyfags and combatfags is shit. While some of us can tolerate bad gameplay when there is a good story to be experienced (or vice versa), a true RPG connoisseur should demand both good combat and good story from their games.

The dichotomy comes from game journos and people bad at games who argue combat should be optional because they suck at it.

Beyond that there seems to be this level of gamer snobbery where if you admit you like killing things and leveling up you're no better than the average popamole CoD player. You must like RPGs for their sophisticated, monocled thematic elements like elegant allegory of Plato's cave, not base pleasures such as slaughtering your foes and stealing their stuff.

If you can't kill things and leveling up it's not an rpg.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Divinity Gate 3: Baldur's Original Sin

 

[Theodora]

Divinity Gate 3: Baldur's Original Sin

I can't wait to seduce Baldur and call him a naughty bitch.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Baldur's Gate and D&D are two different things. Temple of Elemental Evil had a much better implementation of true D&D combat than Baldur's Gate did but you wouldn't call it a better Baldur's Gate game.

Barring the fact the writing and tone of the game isn't actually as good as we remember it, it's still a fact that Baldur's Gate was as much about the adventure as it was a combat game, probably more so in the first one where 70% of the game was just an endless series of trash combat punctuated by a tough fight or two for every map you explored until you got to Baldur's Gate (of course, they were trying to replicate Fellowship of the Ring they had to keep it simple or it wouldn't have worked for that open world, exploratory part of the game).

But really, the point is that this doesn't look like Baldur's Gate 3. It looks like Original Sin 3 except now it's D&D. Maybe a best case scenario considering the alternatives but certainly not exactly a successful sequel to that game, not for any of us who remember what it was like when Baldur's Gate hit the market.

[... click up top if you want to read the rest.]

I know exactly what you describe when you talk about the mystery of fantasy and wanting to relive it. It's like the difference between Tolkien's writing and Peter Jackson's movies.

I don't take issue with that, I just think decreeing the quality of the game at this stage, based off leaked screenshots of an unfinished product, is unwise.

And most of all, I don't think the combat being turn based has any bearing that or 'a sense of real adventure'.

Well, we can't say whether the game will be shit or not, but i think it's obvious what kind of game this is going to be.

At this point it might just be best to forget this is called Baldur's Gate and appraise it as Original Sin except now it's D&D and call it a day.

 

[Lord Commissar Alexer]

Hopefully we get a female elve companion for le-...i mean for romance.
I liked Sybille in D:O2.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

if you admit you like killing things and leveling up you're no better than the average popamole CoD player

 

[FranticDistortion]

Divinity Gate 3: Baldur's Original Sin

I can't wait to seduce Baldur and call him a naughty bitch.

You want to open Baldur's "gates"?

 

[Theodora]

Well, we can't say whether the game will be shit or not, but i think it's obvious what kind of game this is going to be.

At this point it might just be best to forget this is called Baldur's Gate and appraise it as Original Sin except now it's D&D and call it a day.

I GET why you're saying it, I just don't think you can get a full picture from a couple of screenshots... how many times have our first impressions been wrong before? There's so many elements that add to atmosphere of a game like this that aren't touched, and even that which we can see might only be a small portion of the content. It's not an official media release and therefore we can't expect it to be representative of what they're trying to achieve.

 

[Lyric Suite]

How long before the "official" unveiling?

 

[GhostCow]

How long before the "official" unveiling?

about 5 hours

 

[fantadomat]

Good morning codex,oh BG3 has 20 pages jump overnight...interesting.
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[TheImplodingVoice]

Divinity Gate 3: Baldur's Original Sin

I can't wait to seduce Baldur and call him a naughty bitch.

You want to open Baldur's "gates"?

Couldn't think of better way to write it. Feel free to add your own

 

[Dramart]

What race is that? Orc and goblin?

 

[Lacrymas]

What race is that? Orc and goblin?

Read the dialogue choices.

 

[Goromorg]

What race is that? Orc and goblin?

A feminist

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Seemed like a given this was going to be TB considering Larian made two well-received TB RPGs already.

Not sure why some people prefer RTwP. RTwP has always been seen as a grudging concession to the wider market and the nexus of playability vs design, not superior in it's own right. It's like how some people actually prefer the taste of Diet Coke.

Strange times we live in.