Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Curratum]

The people anticipating majestic incline might want to consider that the game has critical crashes, no save system, massive AI issues and is "a couple of months away" from its early access launch.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

All masterpieces among the RPG genre are extremely unbalanced. Baldur's Gate 2? ... Diablo 1 and 2?

BG is hardly a masterpiece, and let's not even talk about Diablo.

Might & Magic VI? Your party composition will determine the game difficulty.

Good party building is an important aspect of any party based rpg. If a player decides to make a party solely composed of the same class the game should be fucking hard, to punish the idiot for not properly thinking about that aspect.

Beating DS2 as a Rapier of Chaos(or spearman) Hexer or a Black knight Halberd Paladin is far easier than with a unarmored swordsman without a shield.

Sure those migth be the strongest builds, but that doesn't mean the game is broken as all other builds are perfectely viable and the game still holds a fair amount of challenge even with those 2 builds.
I think you have a very Sawyer idea of balance.

On VtMB, there are no way to make the Nosferatu curse(being deformed and not being able to even be seen by kine without breaking the masquarede) and not make a highly social game exponentially harder than a Ventrue gameplay.

That's the whole fucking point of the Nosferatu class challenge.
It's not unbalanced as the devs knew that and provided the player with the means to complete game and even gave a lot of content and outcomes unique to the Nosferatu class.

All Gothic games(except arcania) have you going from nothing to one of the most powerful entities on the world.

Games with progression systems that doesn't give the players a sense of, get this, progression are obviously doing something wrong.

on the beginning, i din't even had magic, i had to find someone able and willing to teach me, spend some levels only on ancient knowledge and once i learned my first water magic spell, i could only cast 6 or 3 Ice Lances per rest(3 if charged). In end game? A image worth more than just words

The problem is not that the player gets powerful by using that playstyle, the problem is if the player gets so powerful that he triviallizes every challenge in the game (specially the late game ones) and even worse if that playstyle pretty much makes all others obsolete and useless.

 

[Reinhardt]

The people anticipating majestic incline might want to consider that the game has critical crashes, no save system, massive AI issues and is "a couple of months away" from its early access launch.

Nigga, we played PoE and Kangmaker.

 

[Theldaran]

The people anticipating majestic incline might want to consider that the game has critical crashes, no save system, massive AI issues and is "a couple of months away" from its early access launch.

I'm taking it into account. So:

- Early Access coming "sometime" 2020
- Possible release 2021
- Polishing the game... maybe 2022

I'm not saying I'm not ever gonna get it, I just say it'll take time if I finally do it, and right now the game is very, very barebones.

Oh, also I don't know about the "faithful representation of D&D"

 

[Elex]

100 pages in 24 hours

 

[Lacrymas]

Well rather:

-No one plays BG for writing anyway
-Turn based > RTwp
-faithful implementation of DnD
-3D environment where much more could be done
-Shouldn't have been named BG3 but it's a majestic incline nonetheless

Also skill checks and physical feats during exploration, skill checks in dialogue, hopefully non-linear maps, no retarded random itemization, positioning before combat, etc.

 

[DraQ]

I never understood how RTWP got so popular from a P&P adaptation of all things. The devs just created extra work for themselves. P&P combat rules can be copied almost 1:1 in most CRPGs.

Baldur's Gate happened.
A company - let's call them VivoCargo, to protect the guilty - was trying to make a fantasy RTS (because RTSes were kind of THE thing back then) but changed direction completely for whatever reason and ended up making cRPG instead with already working RTS engine. The game ended up popular because there are only so many times you can play Fallout, besides it wasn't half ugly either. Then a few follow-up games happened on the same engine that pretty much happened to cover most of the spectrum of what people look for in RPGs - storyfaggotry, combatfaggotry, BG even managed to trick some unfortunate souls into thinking it has exploration.

And then RTWP was established as the golden standard and the way to make cRPGs(TM).

Same with Kingmaker. The devs could have copied the encounters directly from the AP if they had used TB combat, no need for so many trash fights.

But maaan...

Barduls Gate!

 

[Cryomancer]

I think you have a very Sawyer idea of balance.

My point is simple. If i choose to play warthunder inside a Me 262, i wanna feel like i an piloting the place. I wanna historically accuracy on his speed, climb rate, weaponry(ie - the 4 x 30mm cannon should tear bombers apart in one burst). At the same way, if i choose to play a RPG as a necromancer, i wanna feel like i an a necromancer in another universe. HAving restrictions that makes no sense like cooldowns, limiting me to one or two summons, kill my immersion in the game.

I an playing Gothic 2 with returning addon as a necromancer. There are no hard cap on how many demons or undead i can summon but one summon takes a mana upkeep over time. Create and maintain a army of 60+ demons would destroy your gold saving in potions but is possible and i used against the most powerull dragons; And to learn how to summon even a lesser demon, you need to

• Learn circle 1/2/3/4(minimum chap 4)
• Learn mana regen
• Learn demonology
• Learn how to craft the rune
• Find the ingredients (some like the heart of a demon require you to destroy demons)
• Purchase a scroll
• Craft the rune
• Enjoy a spell that costs 150 mana and has a huge mana upkeep

the problem is if the player gets so powerful that he triviallizes every challenge in the game (specially the late game ones) and even worse if that playstyle pretty much makes all others obsolete and uselless.

Then is a problem of a lot of things. Encounter deisng, etc; IA, etc; HAving a paladin having a much easier time vs undeads than a sorcerer of silver draconic bloodline that know mostly cold based spells is not a problem.

 

[Lilura]

Overall, Baldur's Gate is the greatest D&D-based computer RPG ever made. ToEE has the best combat system and ruleset implementation, though.

 

[Dramart]

Have you all played BG and IWD knowing the D&D rules? Be honest.

 

[Reinhardt]

At the same way, if i choose to play a RPG as a necromancer, i wanna feel like i an a necromancer in another universe. HAving restrictions that makes no sense like cooldowns, limiting me to one or two summons, kill my immersion in the game.

Except in first case you have technical details about plane and in second you just want to play imaginary necromancer from your head who can't even be possible in this "another universe".

 

[new fucking guy]

Have you all played BG and IWD knowing the D&D rules? Be honest.

I'd seen a d20 in a shop once

 

[Theodora]

Roguelikes are "full fledged RPGs" lol. ToME is free, go play it and see the difference.

The number of cRPG fans that haven't touched roguelikes is baffling. Y'all missing out on some good, timeless shit.

 

[Lilura]

Create and maintain a army of 60+ demons would destroy your gold saving in potions but is possible and i used against the most powerull dragons

That would be meaningful if even a non-mage couldn't just buy summon demon/golem scrolls and use them to pwn dragons. You only need one scroll per dragon, and there are only 4 dragons.

 

[Theodora]

Have you all played BG and IWD knowing the D&D rules? Be honest.

It's not fair to ask them to admit they've got no friends.

 

[Reinhardt]

Have you all played BG and IWD knowing the D&D rules? Be honest.

BG was actually first rpg game that i bought and played on my own first pc. Seen it once before in magazine and it was love from first sight.

 

[Lilura]

Baldur's Gate taught me THAC0.

 

[Curratum]

Overall, Baldur's Gate is the greatest D&D-based computer RPG ever made. ToEE has the best combat system and ruleset implementation, though.

What madness is this? I'm about to brofist a Lilura post??

 

[Cryomancer]

Except in first case you have technical details about plane and in second you just want to play imaginary necromancer from your head who can't even be possible in this "another universe".

I have the fictional world lore. Is awful when NPC necromancers can raise armies and the PC is limited to one or two summons.

Have you all played BG and IWD knowing the D&D rules? Be honest.

No, but i learned the rules by playing it.

 

[Jimmious]

Have you all played BG and IWD knowing the D&D rules? Be honest.

I actually had started playing D&D not long before BG came out and that made the experience even more exciting

 

[AwesomeButton]

RPG Codex went full retard complaining about writing and graphics while ignoring the fact that this is the first DND game since ToEE that doesn't butcher DND's ruleset.,

You are right, though it's little consolation that you have correct D&D impementation when you are playing a by-the-numbers campaign, with the "larian humor", "Chosen One" story, etc.

 

[Black]

You're right, Larian will never be capable of writing such masterpieces as Lilarcor, tranny Edwin or Jan Jansen.
And BGs definitely did not have an "average peasant boy/girl turns out to be a demigod". That's something only saint Bioware could come up with.

 

[Dramart]

Reinhardt Theodora Nil new fucking guy So the answer is no.

No, but i learned the rules by playing it.

That's hard to believe but okay. Maybe you learned something simple, like what AC is, but not every rule.

 

[Reinhardt]

Well, why should i learn more than enough to let me play game? Why should i care about this nerdy mumbo-jumbo at all?

 

[Cryomancer]

That's hard to believe but okay. Maybe you learned something simple, like what AC is, but not every rule.

THAC0, how saves and etc works, the most basic things; to be able to play the game din't undertood initiative until i played most recent games.