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[Elex]

How do classes work in 5E ?
Is it a multiclassing orgy like the third edition or do you pick a class and stick to it ?

Multiclassing is an optional rule.
So a DM have to explicit allow it.

 

[Riddler]

The lack of variety and depth makes it boring in the long run though, regardless of whether you are a munchkin or not.

I agree, the scarcity of build options is my biggest criticism of it, but realistically how many times are you going to play through BG3? You have 8 classes to start with (they said they'll reveal more later) and if it's a 100+ hour RPG you have quite a lot of playtime on your hands.

She fell to 0hp with a normal hit, failed a death save, was hit while downed (another failure), then failed the least save at the start of the next turn. Larian's implementation of death mechanics is actually more forgiving than 5E rules (which aren't particularly lethal in the first place). In 5E, any successful attack against an unconscious character is a critical hit and gives 2 death save failures. (Both companions would've died early in the encounter with those rules.) Larian also made it more forgiving by allowing characters to use potions as a bonus action, among other things.

But the encounters seem more deadly. 5E encounters are usually only a minor threat to your characters, even those which are classified as highly dangerous. There might also be a "core rules" difficulty option, which removes potions as bonus actions and restores PnP death mechanics.

I meant in the context of PnP. You go through the same amount of material in a day in a computer game that you do in years of PnP gaming.

 

[FeelTheRads]

But the blob is a single entity! As a kid i was always wondering how those party based things looked from the opposite site. I imagined to be a big blob of flesh with 8 hands,feet and eyes.

I see you you kept the same IQ ever since.

 

[Reinhardt]

I imagined to be a big blob of flesh with 8 hands,feet and eyes.

Only pleb plays blobbers where there is only 4 person party.

 

[Silly Germans]

Does it have feats and skills or does your class fully determine your abilities ?

 

[fantadomat]

I imagined to be a big blob of flesh with 8 hands,feet and eyes.

Only pleb plays blobbers where there is only 4 person party.

Begone troll!

 

[Volrath]

Let's get real, no Codexer really knows whether 5E (or for that matter 4E) are really "inferior" because they've never played a CRPG that used those systems (with the exception of those few who played the Solasta demo which is no longer available). Everybody's just going off what they've heard from tabletop nerds, but since when did we give a fuck about them?

I read PnP material with frequency and 5e is just DnD for casual RPG players, 3.5 e is still the best DnD got. The only quality is has is that it is better than 4e.

3.5e is complete and utter shit compared to AD&D.

 

[Reinhardt]

I imagined to be a big blob of flesh with 8 hands,feet and eyes.

Only pleb plays blobbers where there is only 4 person party.

Begone troll!

There is 11 eyes, fag.

 

[FranticDistortion]

Does it have feats and skills or does your class fully determine your abilities ?

There are skills like Stealh, Persuasion, Athletic etc. Some items give abilities, like talking with the dead.

 

[Fairfax]

But the encounters seem more deadly. 5E encounters are usually only a minor threat to your characters, even those which are classified as highly dangerous.

That's not true. Have you even played it? 5E encounters are only a minor threat if that's what the DM wants. And even WotC has published modules that are filled with deadly encounters.

Sorry, I am not used to "you don't die when you have no health in combat". I meant this...:

Spoiler

...moment when she gets one-hit downed, then killed while she lies down. It's pretty brutal result overall.

Yeah, I was referring to that moment.

 

[Lacrymas]

Does it have feats and skills or does your class fully determine your abilities ?

There are some feats, but like multiclassing it's an optional rule. At levels where you are supposed to gain an attribute, you can opt to get a feat instead. They aren't that many and they aren't as deciding as 3.5E.

 

[Elex]

She fell to 0hp with a normal hit, failed a death save, was hit while downed (another failure), then failed the least save at the start of the next turn. Larian's implementation of death mechanics is actually more forgiving than 5E rules (which aren't particularly lethal in the first place). In 5E, any successful attack against an unconscious character is a critical hit and gives 2 death save failures. (Both companions would've died early in the encounter with those rules.) Larian also made it more forgiving by allowing characters to use potions as a bonus action, among other things.

Potion as a bonus action is a common house rule (i think that critical role use the same rule).

And is fine, it’s common in a 5e game to have a lot of houserules, the game is easy to adapt.

only the initiative make no sense.

 

[Theodora]

Magnat is posting Arch like a 4D troll?

 

[Lacrymas]

That's not true. Have you even played it? 5E encounters are only a minor threat if that's what the DM wants. And even WotC has published modules that are filled with deadly encounters.

I mean the way they are classified in the books in relation to the characters. Monsters are quite a lot weaker than the characters. You can make them deadly, sure, but most out-of-the-box encounters aren't. I've seen people defeating 3x deadly encounters at the same time.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Magnat is posting Arch like a 4D troll?

I like the Norseman, so yeah. Giving him some free publicity.

And he basically resumes my position of BG3 being D:OS 2.5 (though without the extra negativity).

 

[Elex]

5e is a decent enough system if you don't mind a few glaring design issues and the fact that some classes/feats/whatever were obviously playtested by people with no comprehension of what makes combat fun.

Like champion fighters. Who in the hell thought of that? Best get your best RP face on and get ready to do the same thing over and over again. You're practically a npc at that point.

Champion is the tutorial character for people that never played an rpg.
Also really good for multiclassing (for example with a barbarian or a warlock hexblade).

Champion is perhaps the worst class in the game. It's lame, it's boring, it's static and has almost nothing going for it.

They are exactly like 2e a fighter.

the banneret is the worst fighter subclass.

 

[Theodora]

And he basically resumes my position of BG3 being D:OS 2.5 (though without the extra negativity).

youre an eclectic mofo if ever there was

 

[Elex]

But the encounters seem more deadly. 5E encounters are usually only a minor threat to your characters, even those which are classified as highly dangerous.

That's not true. Have you even played it? 5E encounters are only a minor threat if that's what the DM wants. And even WotC has published modules that are filled with deadly encounters.

Sorry, I am not used to "you don't die when you have no health in combat". I meant this...:

Spoiler

...moment when she gets one-hit downed, then killed while she lies down. It's pretty brutal result overall.

Yeah, I was referring to that moment.

Yes official campaign are extremely deadly.

for example in baldur’s gate: descent into avernus the party is getting fireballed at level 2.

 

[DraQ]

It is not about TB and RTwP,despite what TB fanatics are spewing.

You know who is spewing the most shit about TB ITT?

Spoiler

You.

Shut the fuck up already.

Any deviations from the traditions of old should be eradicated with fire!!!

Yes, let's never ever improve upon anything.

fanatical (...) should be burned till nothing but ashes remain. It is not a boogyman but a scum that beat the shit with a big piece of wood or a nice iron pipe!

This is true, but BG storyline is done and the company that made it is long gone so there couldn't ever be a "real" sequel. Baldur's Gate is just a recognizable name in D&D CRPGs. They could have called it Pools of Radiance instead for all it matters.

Pools of Butthurt, more like.

*dips weapon in RTWPtards' tears*

 

[Heroic Liberator]

And he basically resumes my position of BG3 being D:OS 2.5 (though without the extra negativity).

youre an eclectic mofo if ever there was

Must've been a decadent poet in a previous life.

 

[prodigydancer]

If you think that's hilarious, wait until you find out that elven warlock-sorcerers have essentially infinite spell slots (coffeelocks).

Spontaneous arcane casters are generally OP in CRPGs even without such munchkin multicallssing options. In the CRPG context many D&D spells are inevitably situational or outright useless, so the spell selection limits aren't as limiting as trey're supposed to be.

Sorcerer was the strongest single-class character in BG2. In the 3e/3.5e days (NWN, NWN2, etc.) everyone was obsessed with Dragon Disciple. In PF:KM any sorc with the Heighten Spell feat is bonkers (at L10+ it's practically impossible to run out of spell slots).

 

[Cryomancer]

Spontaneous arcane casters are generally OP in CRPGs even without such munchkin multicallssing options

Wizards are far more versatile than sorcerers/warlocks...

And in some games, be a mage is far harder than be a martial guy. See Gothic 1/2 for eg...

 

[Theodora]

Must've been a decadent poet in a previous life.

I am very quietly Big On Fash Poetry. And Yeats, though he didn't have the balls to be a fascist.

Still find people like Arch who randomly into talking about 'teh j00s' a bit clownish thooooooooo.

Anyway I expect at least half the naysayers to buy BG3 within a year of 1.0, knowing ~gamers~.

 

[hell bovine]

Sure as hell was, having my invisible thief scout ahead removing all traps. Then advancing with Kagain wearing Gauntlets of Dexterity on point followed by an archer who one shot those kobolds. Did you just barge in?

Firewine and Ulcaster school ruins are supposed to be dangerous. The fact that they were designed to challenge the player first and foremost by exploration and area design is to be commended. Your combat tactics have to be completely different than outdoors and respawning enemes make sure that once you go in you don't have a safe way out.

No, I barged out. Watching the pathfinding ai battle the narrow corridors was too much excitement.

Ulcaster at least offers some challenge with scs installed. Firewine offers kobolds.

 

[DraQ]

It's actually terrible in a real time tactical game with movement and positioning.
In Frozen Synapse I've ended most of the time just giving movement and attack orders for max 2s ahead that were reasonably predictable, and was waiting out remaining 3s of 5s phase in some safe "overwatch" position.

That only means the resolution phase is too long.