Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Tyranicon]

"pg 83 of the DMG says that the ideal party size is 3-5 players"

That's all well and good for PnP where every player has their own character, but in a single-player campaign CRPG where much of the fun strategic decisions involve building an effective and interesting party, how can a 4-person cap be incline?

Also, as an aside to everyone celebrating TB only as incline and grognard, I hope you realize that the real reason it's preferred by Larian for BG3 is because it is much easier to control with a gamepad than RTwP. It's not about preserving PnP rules. They just want to make sure their eventual next gen console ports control well.

Larian is going with a four-person party for the reason most devs do: it's easier, less taxing on hardware, and they don't have to scale combat for larger parties.

I'll admit, I'm converting from 4-max to 5-max parties in my games and the difference in combat balance is huge. That being said, I'm one guy in a basement, not 350 people.

 

[rhollis]

LoL so the D&D is the way BG should be played,no alignments,4 people party and dumbed down mechanics . Dumb TB fanatics would slurp any shit as long as it is TB,even if it is broken TB like DOS games. What a sad bunch of retards,muh it is turn based slurp slurp.

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

BG3 tagline: "Gather your party. It won't take long... Just pick up the other few guys at Fort Joy beach miscellaneous sandy river bed."

 

[Delterius]

LoL so the D&D is the way BG should be played,no alignments,4 people party and dumbed down mechanics . Dumb TB fanatics would slurp any shit as long as it is TB,even if it is broken TB like DOS games. What a sad bunch of retards,muh it is turn based slurp slurp.

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

BG3 tagline: "Gather your party. It won't take long... Just pick up the other few guys at Fort Joy beach miscellaneous sandy river bed."

isn't it nice when the villain just gathers your party for you

sarevok never did that for me

 

[ArchAngel]

Separately, can any of the Swen apologists explain to me how players will be able to experiment with diverse party builds in a four-person party system and why it makes sense from a gameplay perspective to limit the party to four in 5e?

I'm not a Swen apologist, I can't stand BG3's guts from what I've seen so far, but 4 is the actual, real "default" and presumed party size in the tabletop modules / campaigns for 5E, so that is why.

That is because around the table more players means each of the players gets less chance to do something and have fun and also harder for DMs to run the sessions.

 

[fantadomat]

LoL so the D&D is the way BG should be played,no alignments,4 people party and dumbed down mechanics . Dumb TB fanatics would slurp any shit as long as it is TB,even if it is broken TB like DOS games. What a sad bunch of retards,muh it is turn based slurp slurp.

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

BG3 tagline: "Gather your party. It won't take long... Just pick up the other few guys at Fort Joy beach miscellaneous sandy river bed."

isn't it nice when the villain just gathers your party for you

sarevok never did that for me

I will bet that half of them will end up as your enemy just like in dos2,it so fucking innovative guyz. And all that origins,just like in dos2,that one was a mindblowingly original too guyz.

 

[Rostere]

LoL so the D&D is the way BG should be played,no alignments,4 people party and dumbed down mechanics . Dumb TB fanatics would slurp any shit as long as it is TB,even if it is broken TB like DOS games. What a sad bunch of retards,muh it is turn based slurp slurp.

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

BG3 tagline: "Gather your party. It won't take long... Just pick up the other few guys at Fort Joy beach miscellaneous sandy river bed."

isn't it nice when the villain just gathers your party for you

sarevok never did that for me

Irenicus did, though.

But he kicked Khalid out of the party At least he was kind enough to replace him with this trustworthy Yoshimo guy.

 

[Tyranicon]

LoL so the D&D is the way BG should be played,no alignments,4 people party and dumbed down mechanics . Dumb TB fanatics would slurp any shit as long as it is TB,even if it is broken TB like DOS games. What a sad bunch of retards,muh it is turn based slurp slurp.

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

BG3 tagline: "Gather your party. It won't take long... Just pick up the other few guys at Fort Joy beach miscellaneous sandy river bed."

isn't it nice when the villain just gathers your party for you

sarevok never did that for me

Irenicus did, though.

But he kicked Khalid out of the party At least he was kind enough to replace him with this trustworthy Yoshimo guy.

Also opened up that hot mother figure romance option.

 

[deuxhero]

LoL so the D&D is the way BG should be played,no alignments,4 people party and dumbed down mechanics . Dumb TB fanatics would slurp any shit as long as it is TB,even if it is broken TB like DOS games. What a sad bunch of retards,muh it is turn based slurp slurp.

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

BG3 tagline: "Gather your party. It won't take long... Just pick up the other few guys at Fort Joy beach miscellaneous sandy river bed."

isn't it nice when the villain just gathers your party for you

sarevok never did that for me

Gorion tried to

Khalid: Fighter
Jaheira: Fighter/Druid
Imoen: Thief (Plot wise, she's be in the group if she wasn't a last minute addition to give an early game good thief and the story of BG2 was worked out already)
Gorion: Wizard

Level balance aside (four 1st level and one 8th level), that would be a good starting group.

 

[Lacrymas]

Imoen was a mistake.

 

[Cryomancer]

Can anyone explain to me (a) how a modder has the manpower to add TB to Pathfinder: Kingmaker, (b) how Owlcat has the manpower to add TB as an on-the-fly toggle for WotR, and (c) how Obsidian has the manpower to add a fully-fledged TB mode to Deadfire, but Larian can’t leverage its 350-person team to balance a RTwP version?

Nice point. Amazing questoin. IMO ideally they should give options ie - rtwp or tb?

 

[Rostere]

Can anyone explain to me (a) how a modder has the manpower to add TB to Pathfinder: Kingmaker, (b) how Owlcat has the manpower to add TB as an on-the-fly toggle for WotR, and (c) how Obsidian has the manpower to add a fully-fledged TB mode to Deadfire, but Larian can’t leverage its 350-person team to balance a RTwP version?

Nice point. Amazing questoin. IMO ideally they should give options ie - rtwp or tb?

You already start in a crashed ship and can throw random objects from your inventory to damage enemies. Just keep making this Arcanum 2.0....

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Four PCs has been the official default since 3e actually, but every group I've ever played with viewed six as optimal.

Four is not enough for group diversity, you almost have to go fighter-mage-cleric-thief just to cover the basics.

 

[Dorateen]

Four characters became the default because nu-D&D players don't have any friends.

 

[Ulysa]

I wish internet would stop fighting over Turn based vs RTWP. Can't people like different things? That's not the issue here.

 

[Delterius]

Four characters became the default because nu-D&D players don't have any friends.

i don't have friends either which is why i like bigger parties in my crpgs

 

[Delterius]

I wish internet would stop fighting over Turn based vs RTWP. Can't people like different things? That's not the issue here.

how fucking dare you

 

[RNGsus]

I wish internet would stop fighting over Turn based vs RTWP. Can't people like different things? That's not the issue here.

There can be only one thing.

 

[Sacibengala]

I wish internet would stop fighting over Turn based vs RTWP. Can't people like different things? That's not the issue here.

There can be only one thing.

I can only like something if the things everybody elses likes are discredited or destroyed. I'm a pretty healthy internet person, by the way.

 

[Tyranicon]

I wish internet would stop fighting over Turn based vs RTWP. Can't people like different things? That's not the issue here.

There can be only one thing.

I can only like something if the things everybody elses likes are discredited or destroyed. I'm a pretty healthy internet person, by the way.

That's like the definition of a healthy internet person.

 

[Xamenos]

healthy internet person

There is no such thing. Internet use and mental health are pretty perfectly anticorrelated.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

WTF.

I stroked out and had a seizure from that picture. Just got back from the hospital. What a fucking horrible picture. Is this some sort of secret government cyber warfare you got your hands on? Shit is awful. Had to leap for my ativan and grab my phone and start screaming for siri to call 911.

It's just anime.

I knew it.

 

[Theodora]

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

Huh, those must be temporary companions or something then.

 

[Saerain]

i don't mind the rp style dialogue but the past tense feels weird

why wouldn't it be like "I don't trust this man, I draw my weapon" or "Ask where he appeared from"

the way it is makes it sound like you're recounting a story after the fact

I'm sort of expecting a shift to present-tense later in the game as a way of highlighting a time jump or getting the tadpole out of your brain. It'd be a little bit cute.

 

[Tyranicon]

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

Huh, those must be temporary companions or something then.

Swen used the word follower, so maybe we'll get hirings.

 

[fantadomat]

but there's already at least 5 person parties in screenshots

Swen confirmed 4 person party on twitter: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/status/1233431915274870784?s=20

Huh, those must be temporary companions or something then.

Either they will become your enemy after you don't manage to save X number or you will be able to change your party composition like in other games. Tho i am waging on them becoming a bunch of mindflayers after you get to save three of them. The same shit was in dos2,you choose your party after you get the option to play with all of them and the rest dies.