Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Ontopoly]

I am happy and unhappy. I love Larian games but the restart of bg (with bg3) was a complete disappointment to me. I don't even want to comment. I am extremely happy with what I have seen, but at the same time I feel sorry for no reason.

A strange dead end street.

This collective sadness just strikes me as odd because of the nature of the license. There's already Beamdog working on a couple of Baldur's Gate titles, and given their work with the infinity engine you're going to see something much closer to home. It's probably going to be bemoaned by the codex for it's supposed ~sjw writers~ but the point is that WotC is going to keep licensing out the name, and although Larian bagged the sequential title it doesn't mean they'll keep that forever, or that there won't be games in various cRPG iterations.

Chin up, mate.

They like to whore out the BG series. Let the damn thing rest. WOTC is shit.

 

[Ontopoly]

Nice to see positivity between Larian and Owlcat and vica verca:

They already tainted Baldur's Gate. Why doesn't he shut his mouth instead of tainting WOTR just by association?

 

[rhollis]

Did you all know about this? What kind of sick shit is this? Yaoi Tentai?

EDIT: Can we get an avatar of this guy's face? It captures the character's personality better than the official Larian version.

 

[Theodora]

you guys are like the fun gestapo

 

[Cat Dude]

It is nice seeing the combat is turn based. Turn based is what every rpg should have been in the first place.

 

[Ruchy]

This is going to be a great RPG, near 1 to 1 implementation of the actual fucking rules in a turn based game, 4 man team because no nerd in reality has a full 5 other people they can play with normally so again, true to form.
I wish they had titled this differently but that blame lies with WoTC.

The Autism that is the last 400 pages is unreal, If this was called "A Forgotten realms tale" or some such you would all be jumping for joy.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, get over your fucking nostalgia. Seems a lot of the haters would of never been satisfied with anything other than 1992 infinity engine sprites and shitty RTwP 2nd ed rules.

You're complaining about the rain, just eat what it helps grow.

 

[Jackpot]

I've tried to read through the thread/through other sources on the internet, but do we know if the UI/environments are final or more of placeholders?
Definitely think the game could turn out decent if it gets a distinct "BG" feel different from Divinity: OS 2 and maybe slightly better writing than what we've been shown so far.

 

[Ontopoly]

This is going to be a great RPG, near 1 to 1 implementation of the actual fucking rules in a turn based game

Whole team goes all together so it's not even that. Your npc canned response doesn't even work. You might have to actually think for yourself.

 

[Ruchy]

This is going to be a great RPG, near 1 to 1 implementation of the actual fucking rules in a turn based game

Whole team goes all together so it's not even that. Your npc canned response doesn't even work. You might have to actually think for yourself.

I have to question that, what do you mean the whole party goes together?

Also your petty insults are quite childish but enjoyable enough, please continue.

 

[Theodora]

I've tried to read through the thread/through other sources on the internet, but do we know if the UI/environments are final or more of placeholders?
Definitely think the game could turn out decent if it gets a distinct "BG" feel different from Divinity: OS 2 and maybe slightly better writing than what we've been shown so far.

It's pre-alpha, and planned to go through Early Access. It really is hard to think it's anywhere near done as a result, but no one here wants to consider that just because it's not RTwP.

Whole team goes all together so it's not even that. Your npc canned response doesn't even work. You might have to actually think for yourself.

Still way closer than anything we've seen in a long-ass time.

 

[Valky]

This is going to be a great RPG, near 1 to 1 implementation of the actual fucking rules in a turn based game

Whole team goes all together so it's not even that. Your npc canned response doesn't even work. You might have to actually think for yourself.

Side initiative or something like that is the name of the 5E rule that allows you to have party initiative instead of turn based, so it remains faithful to the ruleset. Read the thread, your asshole is bleeding all over it.

 

[rhollis]

I've tried to read through the thread/through other sources on the internet, but do we know if the UI/environments are final or more of placeholders?
Definitely think the game could turn out decent if it gets a distinct "BG" feel different from Divinity: OS 2 and maybe slightly better writing than what we've been shown so far.

It's pre-alpha, and planned to go through Early Access. It really is hard to think it's anywhere near done as a result, but no one here wants to consider that just because it's not RTwP.

Jackpot , I think this video is the best resource to give an idea of where things are at. Press got to see / ask more than we saw on the stream, and I think this guy from Fextralife does a better job of summarizing than anyone else.

 

[Quillon]

There is nothing wrong making DOS style BG3 but they just need to make the presentation/animations more grounded, when you shove someone over a ledge he shouldn't fly 10 meters f.i.

And can someone kidnap Swen and make him understand that its shitty being able to control companions in conversations in single player? plx. Why let fucking co-op spill over single player ffs when it should be so easy to fix.

Also resting seems very cheap; just loaded a basic rest area with a campfire and when its over reloaded back and no time has even passed. They should totally lift Kingmaker's rest system :D

 

[Jackpot]

Jackpot , I think this video is the best resource to give an idea of where things are at. Press got to see / ask more than we saw on the stream, and I think this guy from Fextralife does a better job of summarizing than anyone else.

Thanks, I skimmed through the hour long game play video but this summarizes it a lot better.
Looks like I'll have to wait to complain as more information gets released.

 

[Ontopoly]

Jackpot , I think this video is the best resource to give an idea of where things are at. Press got to see / ask more than we saw on the stream, and I think this guy from Fextralife does a better job of summarizing than anyone else.

Thanks, I skimmed through the hour long game play video but this summarizes it a lot better.
Looks like I'll have to wait to complain as more information gets released.

It's Larian. You know what you're getting. Get an early start and just shit talk them right now.

 

[Theodora]

It's Larian. You know what you're getting. Get an early start and just shit talk them right now.

Kettle, black, etc. with the 'npc lines'.

 

[Ontopoly]

It's Larian. You know what you're getting. Get an early start and just shit talk them right now.

Kettle, black, etc. with the 'npc lines'.

All I see is everyone else taking this shit lying down. I'm the only one standing up for what I believe. I'm the only one saying some brave shit, even when everyone disagrees and cries about it. That doesn't sound npc to me. I'm honestly starting to think the codex isn't hardcore enough. I joined because I respected how you guys called out decline but it turns out you're just as decline as Reddit. I need to move to the next stage, what is that? 4chan? I fucking hate 4chan.

 

[Valky]

It's Larian. You know what you're getting. Get an early start and just shit talk them right now.

Kettle, black, etc. with the 'npc lines'.

All I see is everyone else taking this shit lying down. I'm the only one standing up for what I believe. I'm the only one saying some brave shit, even when everyone disagrees and cries about it. That doesn't sound npc to me. I'm honestly starting to think the codex isn't hardcore enough. I joined because I respected how you guys called out decline but it turns out you're just as decline as Reddit. I need to move to the next stage, what is that? 4chan? I fucking hate 4chan.

You're a mad little man because the decline of RTWP is purged in totality from this game. There are concerns about non combat specific aspects of the game, but going with TB is one thing that opens up the possibility of it being good at all. RTWP would have truly been dead on arrival.

 

[Ontopoly]

It's Larian. You know what you're getting. Get an early start and just shit talk them right now.

Kettle, black, etc. with the 'npc lines'.

All I see is everyone else taking this shit lying down. I'm the only one standing up for what I believe. I'm the only one saying some brave shit, even when everyone disagrees and cries about it. That doesn't sound npc to me. I'm honestly starting to think the codex isn't hardcore enough. I joined because I respected how you guys called out decline but it turns out you're just as decline as Reddit. I need to move to the next stage, what is that? 4chan? I fucking hate 4chan.

You're a mad little man because the decline of RTWP is purged in totality from this game. There are concerns about non combat specific aspects of the game, but going with TB is one thing that opens up the possibility of it being good at all. RTWP would have truly been dead on arrival.

Larian has and always will be decline. Even if turn based was superior it still wouldn't be able to help them put out a good game.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

Can anyone explain to me (a) how a modder has the manpower to add TB to Pathfinder: Kingmaker, (b) how Owlcat has the manpower to add TB as an on-the-fly toggle for WotR, and (c) how Obsidian has the manpower to add a fully-fledged TB mode to Deadfire, but Larian can’t leverage its 350-person team to balance a RTwP version?

Separately, can any of the Swen apologists explain to me how players will be able to experiment with diverse party builds in a four-person party system and why it makes sense from a gameplay perspective to limit the party to four in 5e?

I can explain ! Because adding two modes in the same game is completely retarded, two modes if done right are radically different . Larian team is not retarded, so they dont waste time on this and just doing a real D&D game, something that has not happened since kotc .
4characters party builds still alows many combinations, most real D&D 5E group are no bigger , more could make the combat too slow 4 is a good spot. There's probably technical limitations as well , balancing for 6 members means adding more monsters , someday they will have to port this on the switch too.

What are these combinations? Bard/rogue to pick locks, fighter/paladin to tank, cleric/druid to heal, sorc/wiz to dps & cc? Where's the ranged (ranger) or melee dps (barbarian) class fit in? Porting to Switch--agreed that's the reason.

You have never played D&D 5, right? Each class can fill so many more roles. Druids, clerics and barbarians make excellent tanks, fighters and rogues are the best damage dealers (both ranged and melee). Anyone can pick locks, you don't need an entire character devoted to that. And there are many more examples. You can build very diverse party combinations even with 4 slots, but it would obviously be more fun with 5 or 6.

sounds zoomer shit, like everyone gets a trophy and everyone is awesome and speshul or they might throw a tantrum or come into the room with an Ar-15

 

[Theodora]

All I see is everyone else taking this shit lying down. I'm the only one standing up for what I believe. I'm the only one saying some brave shit, even when everyone disagrees and cries about it. That doesn't sound npc to me. I'm honestly starting to think the codex isn't hardcore enough. I joined because I respected how you guys called out decline but it turns out you're just as decline as Reddit. I need to move to the next stage, what is that? 4chan? I fucking hate 4chan.

Hahahahaha this is the funniest fucking thing. Ego issuuuues.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I don't get why they are meddling (AGAIN) with the initiative system.
Why change a basic feature that distinguishes the "dexterity based" classes?
It's really the main thing that bothers me a lot. I can live with 4 PCs, even if I'd have preferred more.

Here's why:

“Combat works on a simultaneous turn-based method, which basically means it was their turn, it’s now my turn,” as Larian CEO and game director Swen Vincke put it in a press demo. “This is a change that we did to the system which leads to quite a lot of gameplay opportunities. It lets us do quite big battles, as you will see later,” Vincke continued.

Agree w/ Harthwain. Take a look at this footage: https://youtu.be/IZ0LJ5BqYrk?t=142

the more I see the more I feel its just way too cute and gimmicky. Larian won't be able to control themselves. Its going to be climbing and jumping and pushing creatures, stair building, boot throwing, ball dipping, and blowing random oil puddles 700 miles in the middle of the woods up over and over and over again.

Every battle will have elements of this in it, swen will force them to include at least 2 or 3 of these elements in every battle (verticality, dipping, clothes throwing, box building, monster shoving, etc.. etc..) just like he thinks including 2 funny larian responses in every conversation makes it more funny and is a selling point, he will build every single combat encounter around these gimmicks.

 

[Ontopoly]

All I see is everyone else taking this shit lying down. I'm the only one standing up for what I believe. I'm the only one saying some brave shit, even when everyone disagrees and cries about it. That doesn't sound npc to me. I'm honestly starting to think the codex isn't hardcore enough. I joined because I respected how you guys called out decline but it turns out you're just as decline as Reddit. I need to move to the next stage, what is that? 4chan? I fucking hate 4chan.

Hahahahaha this is the funniest fucking thing. Ego issuuuues.

It's not ego. It's passion and a strong sense of justice and integrity.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

You know what you're getting.

Well, they already produced two of the best strategy-combatfag RPGs in existence, so if it's like that then I'll take twenty.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

but until photorealism dies, excessively glittery, plastic fantasy is here to stay across the board.

Except that is a contradiction, because the glittery, plastic fantasy has nothing to do with "photorealism", where as the Infinite Engine games did.

In fact, that plastic fantasy shit has more to do with indie games and their so called "artistic freedom". The first time i noticed it was around the time Torchlight was released. The combination of those cartoony 3D graphics with the Matt Uelmen familiar soundtrack playing in the back ground just felt jarring as shit to me, and the first time i started to resent colorful graphics, which became endemic in the industry afterwards, with Blizzard leading the charge probably with Warcraft 3 and WoW.

I think it might have started with japanese animation. Then cartoons shit. Then millennials never growing up and watching anime and cartoon shit until they are 40. Not sure though. Might just be a small part.