Ontopoly
Disco Hitler
You sound like an Elven degenerate scum.
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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]
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Wtf I like Ontopoly now.
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I am very honestly not worth this effort dude.
Casters get better the more rests the group can take. 5e makes resting rather easy and usually leads to only 1-2 encounters per day. The (((elven))) magic supremacy is still very much alive. But if BG3 has a more restricitive resting system the martials will keep up or eclipse the mages.
In D&D 5 I'm more used to 6-8 encounters per day, with a short rest after every 2 or 3 of them.
Man how many sessions do you need to finish a day then? Combat can take 30mins to 1h depending on how many normies the group has. If you keep a healthy balance of roleplaying, exploration and combat that amounts to less than a long rest per play session.
Maybe me and my friends are the biggest nerds on the planet, but encounters rarely last more than 20 minutes and only against bosses they reach the 1 hour mark. Normal encounters usually require less than 2 full rounds, while challenging ones require between 2 and 3 rounds. "Boss" encounters can go up to 10 rounds (or even longer for very important/difficult bosses). With a pace of 2 minutes per turn (it's a group of 4 people), that's around 12 minutes for a normal encounter, 20 for a challenging one and up to 1.5 hours for a boss, but obviously there are in-between cases (usually each session has a 40 minutes mini-boss).
In the end, that's around 2 to 2.5 hours of combat in a 5-6 hours session. There are exceptions: we can have the occasional combat-focused session with two extremely big boss battles and nothing else, but that's the exception, not the general rule.
Clearly, this is possible only if everyone at the table knows his character extremely well and is able to react quickly to situations.
Ontopoly
Disco Hitler
It's not mutual. Get fucked Larian cultists. I have no respect for you
vortex
Fabulous Optimist
I'm ontopolyamorous but bashing on elven legacy and culture is where I draw the line, mister.
Swen
Scholar
fantadomat
Arcane
You still talk about shit that have nothing to do with DOS3,i take it.
Swen
Scholar
Lol at this eternal butthurt "intellectual" bulgarian gypsy spam rating my posts.
BG III will be a commercial and critical success, deal with it you ottoman rape child.
Elex
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Barbarian can even be tier-1.
Their point is baiting enemy in hitting them.
They use reckless attack, to get advantage with attacks, but the enemy also get advantage.
Barbarian in rage take half damage (from all phisical damage even magical weapons or a divine creature).
The barbarian don’t really care for stacking AC but want more HP as possible.
if the enemy ignore the barbarian he is free of focus any target , if the enemy focus the barbariarian because he is easy to hit they hit the tankiest in the party.
So a lot of “how good is the barbararian?” Depend on the AI.
Their point is baiting enemy in hitting them.
They use reckless attack, to get advantage with attacks, but the enemy also get advantage.
Barbarian in rage take half damage (from all phisical damage even magical weapons or a divine creature).
The barbarian don’t really care for stacking AC but want more HP as possible.
if the enemy ignore the barbarian he is free of focus any target , if the enemy focus the barbariarian because he is easy to hit they hit the tankiest in the party.
So a lot of “how good is the barbararian?” Depend on the AI.
BG 3 will be so commercially successful that Larian will have enough money to make a BG 4 with voice acting even for unwritten lines. Even the menu will have full voice over.
Ontopoly
Disco Hitler
They'll degenerate so much until they won't even have unspoken lines. You'll get Skyrim where its just people talking with the occasional books written by who ever they could find on the team to spare 10 minutes. Probably the intern.
Wait... they don't need to degenerate to reach that level: D:OS 1 and 2 already have voice acting for every single line of dialogue and narration description. They even have voice acting for animal sounds. Or do you mean that they will actually remove written lines? That would be quite metal.
On the "Skyrim books" topic there's an amazing video on the Polygon Youtube channel:
I know it's Polygon, but Brian David Gilbert's sketches are 10/10.
Elex
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*Meanwhile at larian zoom video conference*
“Yes, we should add menu with full voice over”
“We can add the full voiceover for journal too??”
“Yes!!”
DraQ
Arcane
That's the function of rarity and longevity (so basically lack of item treadmill), not number of modifiers to item's name.
Because magical items in BGs were rare. Varscona was pretty lame and boring weapon mechanically, actually, it's just that it was the only sword with cold damage in addition to its +2 modifiers and the fact that it fell out of a unique encounter that made it memorable.
If anything a comparably rare item that may stay with the character for comparable amount of time and also falls out of a memorable encounter is going to be far more memorable and interesting if it has crunch to match.
Actually, even randomized item you find randomly may become memorable if it's rare and serves you well for a long time.
I will share a secret with you:
Constrained inventory is small inventory, small inventory is the one you have to manage less because you cannot afford hoovering up all the random crap you find in the first place.
Scarlet Lilith
Learned
Inventory Tetris is core RPG gameplay! It was pretty lacking in the previous BG games, but it was fine since it was so small and you only had to decide on what to carry with you, that makes it interesting since you have to make choices and from what I've heard RPGs are all about them. I do prefer inventories where one arrow doesn't occupy the same space as an entire set of armor though, that's super dumb.
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Arcanum inventory (and pickpocketing) is the best I can think of off the top of my head.
Yes, but usually when a game has items with a semi-random number of properties selected by a finite set, it also has too many items (at least in my limited experience), so both rarity and longevity go straight into the trash. Right now the clearest examples I can think of are D:OS 1 and 2 and Nioh. Is there an example of a game that does this kind of items in a good way?
I agree, but, ironically, that Lohar's Two-Handed Source Hammer also is pretty lame and boring, because most of its bonuses are just "+5%" damage spelled in different ways.
Can you make an example of a recent game where the equation "weight limit = constrained inventory = less management" is actually true? Because D:OS 1 and 2 are two great examples of the exact opposite: there's a weight limit, but almost everything has a negligible weight and you find yourself carrying endless amounts of items all the time. The only meaningful effect of that limit is to stop the player from carrying too many barrels. In the end, the moment you reach the limit, you just have to teleport to a vendor, sell some stuff, go back to where you left off and keep playing as if nothing happened. That's just a minor inconvenience that adds nothing to the game and it's not fun.
Ideally, I would love a game with an extremely small inventory that forces you to make choices on what to carry around. However, seeing D:OS 1 and 2, I don't think that's the kind of game Larian is going for.
Stoneshard has a beautifully constrained inventory system, where you have a fairly small inventory, and the junk comes at just the right rate to make regularly adjusting inventory and making decisions about what to throw away and keep a piece of meaningful gameplay, but you're not overwhelmed (the icons for stuff are also beautifully designed and painted too, which makes it a cozy feeling to play with the inventory).
The other option that's tolerable if the game MUST throw loads of crap at you, is to have a huge inventory with tabs and/or several kinds of auto-sort into categories. That way you forego the pondering, and the moving of subjectively precious things around, and you lose out on that gameplay aspect to some extent, but it's ok because it's conveniently set up. The downside of that system though, I always feel, is that it doesn't feel like an inventory that you're lugging around, but like a magic meta bag with no connection to the virtual world.
I was just playing NWN2 recently, and that has the worst of both worlds - a fairly generous inventory, but loads of junk and no useful or intelligent auto-sort options (just one).
Anonona
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Right now the closest example I can think of would be Dragon's Dogma. Your character height and weight determine how much you can carry. Depending on your burden, you character will be superlight, light, average, heavy, very heavy and overburden. Usually you want to be at least light so you can move fast, consume less stamina and recover stamina faster. This means that you want at least a tall and strong party member to carry weight, skills that allow you to carry more weight are very useful, and you cannot bring too much consumables with you as they will make you slower. Armor and weapons also weight, so usually small characters will become overburden faster if you equip them with heavy armors and two handed weapons. I think it is an interesting system and there is even a quest that makes use of it by having the player transport heavy table stones out of a dungeon.
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Japenese games had been doing it for some time. Sometimes you can even chose which girl should do the voice for the menu.
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