Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[fantadomat]

It is no wonder that the AAA are in huge decline,just a few years ago we were getting a AAA garbage every month or two,now we get it once or twice a year. Even the biggest corporations noticed that there is a problem with that shit,because of all the flops from the recent years. Oh and they run out of franchise to reboot/remake.

 

[Cryomancer]

Yep. AAA industry dumbed things SO much to appeal to the lowest common denominator, that even the dumbest Teletubbies is losing interest on their games. One thing is to dumb things to Skyrim level, other thing to elder scrolls blades and fallout 76.

BG3 will probably have a good impact in the industry. People will stop saying "dos2 is the modern bg" and will realize that the mindset "hur dur withtout cooldowns i will just spam the best attack"(note : having a best attack is the problem here. things should be situational and instead of the best spell, should be the best spell for a specific enemy in specific conditions)

And being extremely optimistic, people will try BG2 and BG1, even if is the """Enhanced""" editions on the story mode because THAC0 is too complex....

 

[Roguey]

But DA:I wasn't an "isometric" RPG.

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Larian have 350 employees, that's pretty AAA, Swen just knows how to keep costs down by hiring mudbrick bakers from Somalia.

Oh sure, by budget/number of employee standards, it's AAA. It's a bit behind in graphics though. Sure, we've hit the point of diminishing returns, but no one would say that a game that looks like Knights of the Old Republic would be AAA in 2009.

 

[vortex]

Things I hate this far in presentation are writing and abundance of cutscenes. These 2 things could potentially ruin BG3.

 

[fantadomat]

Oh sure, by budget/number of employee standards, it's AAA. It's a bit behind in graphics though. Sure, we've hit the point of diminishing returns, but no one would say that a game that looks like Knights of the Old Republic would be AAA in 2009.

AAA means only having a lot of money thrown at making the game,the rest is irrelevant. There is plenty of AAA games that are poorly written,ugly,buggy etc etc,yet they are still AAA games. When more money is thrown at it people assume that more work is put in it,thus assuming that the game is of better quality. In reality both of those lines of thought are fallacies.

 

[Thac0]

After seeing the solasta demo only has 6 classes and this will launch into EA with 6 classes aswell:
Cant any of these 5e rpgs be done already? I want to build some proper min maxed and powergamed 5e parties for the start, since table balance is a thing I wasnt able to see how far the 5e systems can be stretched before they break yet.
Also while I was in up to 3 dnd groups at the same time when I had more freetime that still doesnt satisfy my characterbuilding need. I used to have folders with dozens of pregen characters. And since I am pretty good at it they never died, leading to me playing less and less of them.

I will probably start with:
Sorcerer/Warlock
Wizard/Fighter
Monk/Druid
Bard/Fighter

 

[Cryomancer]

After seeing the solasta demo only has 6 classes and this will launch into EA with 6 classes aswell:

Yep. I don't get why include so few classes. Kingmaker started with 15 classes and only Sorcerers had 9 bloodline to choose. Warlocks i believe will only have fiend pact on EA for BG3. Instead of including a more rare and obscure pact like the Lurker of the Deep, they chose the most "generic"...

Anyway, i din't expected to see that complain for you since you like JRPG's which kinda forces you to play as human fighter 99% of the time.... Not saying that they are bad for it.

 

[Thac0]

After seeing the solasta demo only has 6 classes and this will launch into EA with 6 classes aswell:

Yep. I don't get why include so few races. Kingmaker started with 15 classes and only Sorcerers had 9 bloodline to choose. Warlocks i believe will only have fiend pact on EA for BG3. Instead of including a more rare and obscure pact like the Lurker of the Deep, they chose the most "generic"...

Anyway, i din't expected to see that complain for you since you like JRPG's which kinda forces you to play as human fighter 99% of the time.... Not saying that they are bad for it.

UUUh I was talking about classes not about races. Classes are the beef, races are the gravy of a game.
And the reason I like classes so much is because they allow me to customise the way I play the game and make my own builds, a trait which all good JRPGs share in other ways.

 

[Cryomancer]

UUUh I was talking about classes not about races. Classes are the beef, races are the gravy of a game.

Sorry, was a typo. Classes, not races.

But i also prefer to play as inhuman races. Dhampirs, Elves, Drow, Half Elves, Dragonborns, Tieflings(...)

 

[fantadomat]

I want to build some proper min maxed and powergamed 5e parties

Nigga it is 4 people party,all the parties will be the same melee,rogue,cleric and wiz lol. Why the fuck they have more than 4 classes is beyond me.

 

[Cryomancer]

Nigga it is 4 people party,all the parties will be the same melee,rogue,cleric and wiz lol. Why the fuck they have more than 4 classes is beyond me.

To bring variety. Melee can be Barbarian, Hexblade warlock, Fighter, a shapeshifted druid nad other things.
Wizard can be Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock, Eldritch Knight(...)
"healer" can be a Warlock with celestial pact, a Cleric or a Druid.

 

[fantadomat]

Nigga it is 4 people party,all the parties will be the same melee,rogue,cleric and wiz lol. Why the fuck they have more than 4 classes is beyond me.

To bring variety. Melee can be Barbarian, Hexblade warlock, Fighter, a shapeshifted druid nad other things.
Wizard can be Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock, Eldritch Knight(...)
"healer" can be a Warlock with celestial pact, a Cleric or a Druid.

Fuck off with your joke classes,nobody uses that shit lol.

 

[Robber Baron]

There's a party size mod for DoS2, I used it to play coop with all 6 of the origin characters. It worked surprisingly well too.
Since the engine is same - there's still hope for a classic size party in BG3.

 

[Cryomancer]

Fuck off with your joke classes,nobody uses that shit lol.

No?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-your-dd-character-rare/

 

[Efe]

bird people are more common than aasimars? bird people are mostly played as monks?
where did they make this poll?

 

[AwesomeButton]

bird people are more common than aasimars? bird people are mostly played as monks?
where did they make this poll?

In the Owlcat forums.

 

[Doktor Best]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-02-27-baldurs-gate-3-interview

https://gamingbolt.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-a-triple-a-budget-and-team-says-developer

The game has the budget and budget is what makes it AAA. Its ugly due to bad art direction but that doesnt matter.
You could argue its indie(pendent) due to being self published (as Larian is not a normal publisher) which would make it triple I but noone uses that terminology.

1) AAA games don't Early Access. These things are mutually exclusive. If your company feels the need to early access a game, then that game cannot possibly be AAA, because AAA means it has the budget to be developed without having to ask for players to buy it as it is being developed.

When was the last time you have played an AAA game?

 

[Fenix]

Sup Codex, so what's the consensus on BG3?

 

[fantadomat]

Fuck off with your joke classes,nobody uses that shit lol.

No?


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-your-dd-character-rare/

Ahh you do know that you are just proving my point???? People play mainly fighter,rogue,wiz and cleric build. The rest of the classes are for memery lol,the old jaded player picking a druid for the joke because he is done the wiz build far too many times and it is bored. You can't argue about minmaxing when trying to pick a different party lol. All those four classes are masters at what you need them for to cover all you need in a party.

 

[Thac0]

bird people are more common than aasimars? bird people are mostly played as monks?
where did they make this poll?

Bird people are dirty minmaxers. The rotten kind that exploit the nonlegal classes that take all the fun of the game. They get permanent flight at level 1, which is the equivalent of a permanent level 3 spell casted on you, without concentration or the risk of getting dispelled. Super overpowered and not allowed by Adventurers League rules.
Aasimar rules were added later in Volos, a book which not many players have bought since it is mostly a monster expansion for the DM. So the numbers are accurate for 5e.

 

[Thac0]

Fuck off with your joke classes,nobody uses that shit lol.

No?


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-your-dd-character-rare/

Ahh you do know that you are just proving my point???? People play mainly fighter,rogue,wiz and cleric build. The rest of the classes are for memery lol,the old jaded player picking a druid for the joke because he is done the wiz build far too many times and it is bored. You can't argue about minmaxing when trying to pick a different party lol. All those four classes are masters at what you need them for to cover all you need in a party.

Wrong for 5e. Fighter/Cleric/Wizard/Rogue is a balanced party but nothing more. Its not even the strongest single class 4 man party (Paladin/Moon Druid/Lore Bard/Wizard) if you add multiclassing to the mix its not really comparable. For the rest it depends on the game version, but the rogue and the fighter are better replaced by halfcasters or multiclassed in almost all DnD versions. Rest based magic is potent.

 

[Reinhardt]

anyway, we have AAA RPG's To name few.

not listing any

 

[Ulfhednar]

Am I right in thinking the live stream is 2 hours from now?

 

[Reinhardt]

AAA games don't Early Access.

Nigga, they are released in such state that calling it EA-ready would be a stretch.

 

[Lacrymas]

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Except DA:I is notorious for how bad and clunky the "isometric" camera is. It's obvious it wasn't made with it in mind and almost nobody plays it like this.

RE: Classes and races - it seems like Aasimar Druid is the rarest of pokemons, so I'll play that.