Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Elex]

Specific beat general.

and in 5e that mean the DM stare at you and say “nope, don’t waste or time again”
This is why you must bring more beer than the other guys at the table, so the DM can’t kick you from the group.

 

[Ontopoly]

Anybody who needs to powergame must not be that good at the rest of the game, unless they're playing on the highest difficulty possible. But there are too many people who look up character building op guides online, beat the game on hard, then claim that the game is too easy and that they're amazing at video games. I've never come across a game's hard difficulty that needed min maxing and power gaming to beat.

 

[Yosharian]

Btw, in the D&D 5th edition and with the point buy method, you cannot assign a value greater than 15 to an attribute.

I'm aware of that, I used a 5E point buy to calculate the points.

Each character should have at least a 16 in their main stat. Otherwise they are deliberately gimping their character for no reason. This is infuriating.

 

[Yosharian]

If the companions' stats will suck, mods will fix it.
As in, it won't even be 24h after release (likely before that) until a mod improving companion stats would be there...
That's really not something I'd worry about.

There is no need to mods, the game allow for reassign them (so you can give them a different subclass/multiclass).

17 is the max stat for a +2 str race like githyanki, it can be optimal for certain feat called half feat that give +1 to a stat and some extra stuff.

I don't think there are any decent feats for +1 STR though.

 

[Spectacle]

If the companions' stats will suck, mods will fix it.
As in, it won't even be 24h after release (likely before that) until a mod improving companion stats would be there...
That's really not something I'd worry about.

There is no need to mods, the game allow for reassign them (so you can give them a different subclass/multiclass).

17 is the max stat for a +2 str race like githyanki, it can be optimal for certain feat called half feat that give +1 to a stat and some extra stuff.

I don't think there are any decent feats for +1 STR though.

Heavy Armor Mastery is pretty good for a tank. Resisting 3 damage from every weapon hit will add up to a lot of HP saved over the course of the adventuring day, meaning less resources need to be spent on healing.

 

[Yosharian]

If the companions' stats will suck, mods will fix it.
As in, it won't even be 24h after release (likely before that) until a mod improving companion stats would be there...
That's really not something I'd worry about.

There is no need to mods, the game allow for reassign them (so you can give them a different subclass/multiclass).

17 is the max stat for a +2 str race like githyanki, it can be optimal for certain feat called half feat that give +1 to a stat and some extra stuff.

I don't think there are any decent feats for +1 STR though.

Heavy Armor Mastery is pretty good for a tank. Resisting 3 damage from every weapon hit will add up to a lot of HP saved over the course of the adventuring day, meaning less resources need to be spent on healing.

Yes Heavy Armour mastery is one of the better ones, but there are far better feats. (I mean, if we didn't need to correct an odd STR)

But yeah, that would be the one I would get, too.

 

[Yosharian]

Regardless, my beef is not with Lae'zel her stats are fine

 

[Lacrymas]

The original method is rolling dice, and we did exactly that with my current group. The bard ended up with 10, 11, 11, 14, 14, 17. They might have done that with the companions and it just so happened that Lae'zel and the other one rolled the same amount of stats (if we look at it like point buy), while Shadowheart rolled less.

 

[Yosharian]

The original method is rolling dice, and we did exactly that with my current group. The bard ended up with 10, 11, 11, 14, 14, 17. They might have done that with the companions and it just so happened that Lae'zel and the other one rolled the same amount of stats (if we look at it like point buy), while Shadowheart rolled less.

So it's a coincidence that three of the characters have a distribution that is an exact point buy?

And none of the characters have a stat higher than 17?

 

[Dodo1610]

As said before you can't go higher than 15 or lower than 8 without racial bonuses in 5E.

 

[Yosharian]

As said before you can't go higher than 15 or lower than 8 without racial bonuses in 5E.
I just checked the Player handbook it literally recommends building your character using these number 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8. So Larian just followed the rulebook.

Yes and with RACIAL BONUSES you should be able to get at least a 16 in your main stat, are you even listening?

 

[Yosharian]

Like you've got to be a fucking idiot to defend an ELF ROGUE with a starting DEX of FIFTEEN

 

[Dodo1610]

Like you've got to be a fucking idiot to defend an ELF ROGUE with a starting DEX of FIFTEEN

Astarion was the player character in that presentation from 3 months ago btw and Swen didn't edit his stats when he played so they might be random. Why are we even discussing this?

 

[Yosharian]

Like you've got to be a fucking idiot to defend an ELF ROGUE with a starting DEX of FIFTEEN

Astarion was the player character in that presentation from 3 months ago btw and Swen didn't edit his stats so they might be random. Why are we even discussing this?

So first Larian is following the rulebook, then when that is proven to be false it's 'LOL HE JUST DIDN'T EDIT THE STATS SO THEY'RE PROBABLY RANDOM' you're moving the goalposts so much we're playing on a different fucking field every time

Of COURSE if these aren't the real stats then it's no problem, but at the moment we've no reason to believe that those aren't the final stats. And they are fucking retarded distributions.

 

[Dodo1610]

Like you've got to be a fucking idiot to defend an ELF ROGUE with a starting DEX of FIFTEEN

Astarion was the player character in that presentation from 3 months ago btw and Swen didn't edit his stats so they might be random. Why are we even discussing this?

So first Larian is following the rulebook, then when that is proven to be false it's 'LOL HE JUST DIDN'T EDIT THE STATS SO THEY'RE PROBABLY RANDOM' you're moving the goalposts so much we're playing on a different fucking field every time

Of COURSE if these aren't the real stats then it's no problem, but at the moment we've no reason to believe that those aren't the final stats. And they are fucking retarded distributions.

What do you want to hear? That the stats are shit because they are exactly that

 

[Yosharian]

Like you've got to be a fucking idiot to defend an ELF ROGUE with a starting DEX of FIFTEEN

Astarion was the player character in that presentation from 3 months ago btw and Swen didn't edit his stats so they might be random. Why are we even discussing this?

So first Larian is following the rulebook, then when that is proven to be false it's 'LOL HE JUST DIDN'T EDIT THE STATS SO THEY'RE PROBABLY RANDOM' you're moving the goalposts so much we're playing on a different fucking field every time

Of COURSE if these aren't the real stats then it's no problem, but at the moment we've no reason to believe that those aren't the final stats. And they are fucking retarded distributions.

What do you want to hear? That the stats are shit because they are exactly that

But you just said that Larian 'followed the rulebook'? No they didn't.

 

[Dodo1610]

Like you've got to be a fucking idiot to defend an ELF ROGUE with a starting DEX of FIFTEEN

Astarion was the player character in that presentation from 3 months ago btw and Swen didn't edit his stats so they might be random. Why are we even discussing this?

So first Larian is following the rulebook, then when that is proven to be false it's 'LOL HE JUST DIDN'T EDIT THE STATS SO THEY'RE PROBABLY RANDOM' you're moving the goalposts so much we're playing on a different fucking field every time

Of COURSE if these aren't the real stats then it's no problem, but at the moment we've no reason to believe that those aren't the final stats. And they are fucking retarded distributions.

What do you want to hear? That the stats are shit because they are exactly that

But you just said that Larian 'followed the rulebook'? No they didn't.

Sorry didn't actually look at the stats when I posted that and edited the post.

 

[Yosharian]

Alright no problem, just a simple misunderstanding

 

[Harthwain]

The original method is rolling dice, and we did exactly that with my current group. The bard ended up with 10, 11, 11, 14, 14, 17. They might have done that with the companions and it just so happened that Lae'zel and the other one rolled the same amount of stats (if we look at it like point buy), while Shadowheart rolled less.

So it's a coincidence that three of the characters have a distribution that is an exact point buy?

And none of the characters have a stat higher than 17?

Why would you want 3 NPCs at 27 point buy and 1 at 24 point buy then? Why not have all NPCs at 27 point buy?

Not having a stat higher than 17 could be a result of not rolling well enough. Random is random.

 

[Ruchy]

Balance is surely one of the last things done, discussing the points now seems premature at best.

 

[Yosharian]

The original method is rolling dice, and we did exactly that with my current group. The bard ended up with 10, 11, 11, 14, 14, 17. They might have done that with the companions and it just so happened that Lae'zel and the other one rolled the same amount of stats (if we look at it like point buy), while Shadowheart rolled less.

So it's a coincidence that three of the characters have a distribution that is an exact point buy?

And none of the characters have a stat higher than 17?

Why would you want 3 NPCs at 27 point buy and 1 at 24 point buy then? Why not have all NPCs at 27 point buy?

Not having a stat higher than 17 could be a result of not rolling well enough. Random is random.

I'm saying that one character isn't evidence that the others weren't distributed using point-buy. That question is exactly the one I want to ask the developers.

It's true that no 18+ could occur as result of random rolls, I suppose, but it also seems like too much of a coincidence. I'm convinced they used point-buy.

 

[Yosharian]

Balance is surely one of the last things done, discussing the points now seems premature at best.

Maybe, but there's fuck all else to talk about so I figured I'd complain about it anyway

 

[Ontopoly]

Yosharian you seem angry. Would it be possible for me to convince you to not buy the game?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Yosharian you seem angry. Would it be possible for me to convince you to not buy the game?

You start like that, you've already lost.

 

[Saravan]

Yosharian you seem angry. Would it be possible for me to convince you to not buy the game?

Even Jehovah's witnesses have a better sales pitch than that.