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whydoibother

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Reminding you that 2 is 10% of 20, that's not insignificant.
If 9 out of 10 times your barbarian and your wizard are equally capable of decrypting arcane runes, your game is not a role playing game. Its a dice throwing game.
This does get better as you level up, and as character abilities become a bigger part of the variance, due to more skill, more proficiency, more buffs. But it keeps being too random, and it starts VERY random.
 

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Nigga.... like.... no. You aren't correct, its wrong, its bad.

Just accept it and move on.
Can't do, you failed the dice roll

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I'm considering buying this game, but judging by this thread it seems only illiterate faggots and drag queens fully enjoy it. Does this game have any redeeming factor, besides good combat? Any trace of good writing or dialog? I read somewhere you confront gods, like Myrkul. How would you compare it to MotB, in terms of ontological deph? Or is it wrong game to look for any of it?
 

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Anyway, a threshold system as in Underrail is better.
Thankfully Larian disagreed and BG3 has dice rolls
Dice is worse. Flat skill checks in New Vegas are better than percentages in Fallout 3, I thought we all agreed.
Nope
Yep. Dice is okay in combat, its not okay in conversation. In combat, you can do damage control after you fail, and make a comeback, and win anyways. In conversation, failing a dice roll, ESPECIALLY in something you specifically built your character to succeed in, feels terrible, often you can't do anything to get the outcome you wanted, and you just reload. Its bad game design.
Wrong, you just roll with whatever you got and move on. It's far funnier this way
Even the most charismatic knowledgeable people fumble stuff at times.
 

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Reminding you that 2 is 10% of 20, that's not insignificant.
If 9 out of 10 times your barbarian and your wizard are equally capable of decrypting arcane runes, your game is not a role playing game. Its a dice throwing game.
You exaggerate, but yeah, I've been frustratred by that too. Seemingly an expert in a field can fail what looks like a trivial check, then a seemingly noob can roll a high number. It's most often the case with perception and survival checks to discover hidden objects. But those are the rules, at least when you don't have an intelligent being for a DM. One of the minor inconveniences of playing a videogame.

Maybe Larian should have added hidden bonuses to perception and survival checks to more outdoors-oriented classes. I'd do it if I was DM.
 

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But those are the rules, at least when you don't have an intelligent being for a DM. One of the minor inconveniences of playing a videogame.
But they don't have to be the rules. You could have thresholds. You could have the dice offer a "take 10" option. I don't want to roll the dice, I want to take a 10. Average outcome. Average outcome will guarantee I succeed the task I have specialized in succeeding.
Having a "take 10" option for dice in conversation will technically imbalance the game, but given that saving and loading mid talk exists, its not really anything other than a convenience.
 

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BTW, this gay is so gay it even made Obama come out as gay. Facts.
I'm considering buying this game, but judging by this thread it seems only illiterate faggots and drag queens fully enjoy it. Does this game have any redeeming factor, besides good combat? Any trace of good writing or dialog? I read somewhere you confront gods, like Myrkul. How would you compare it to MotB, in terms of ontological deph? Or is it wrong game to look for any of it?
No, it's just dicks and trannies, you have been warned.

But when you buy it anyway, please do come here to share with us how it's just dicks and trannies.

EDIT: The combat will disappoint you as well. It's considered that Tactician is not balanced well enough and should be harder.
 

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Dice is worse. Flat skill checks in New Vegas are better than percentages in Fallout 3, I thought we all agreed.
I think the problem is the build-to-chance ratio, too much is riding on the d20 especially in 5E. I haven't run the maths, but in BG3 I constantly feel like dialogue checks are a crapshoot regardless of character and proficiency is just a marginal factor compared to something like 3E NWN, where I felt like I got reliable mileage from focusing on something like Persuade. I wouldn't want to make it strictly threshold-based, but I think it'd work better with a high skill investment for a baseline and a smaller d6 or d8 on top of it for variability.
 

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BTW, this gay is so gay it even made Obama come out as gay. Facts.
I'm considering buying this game, but judging by this thread it seems only illiterate faggots and drag queens fully enjoy it. Does this game have any redeeming factor, besides good combat? Any trace of good writing or dialog? I read somewhere you confront gods, like Myrkul. How would you compare it to MotB, in terms of ontological deph? Or is it wrong game to look for any of it?
No, it's just dicks and trannies, you have been warned.

But when you buy it anyway, please do come here to share with us how it's just dicks and trannies.

EDIT: The combat will disappoint you as well. It's considered that Tactician is not balanced well enough and should be harder.
You should write an article about "Playing BG3 doesn't make you gay" denialists.
 

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I've started the game again cause I'm retarded :|
*I'm trying to stay away from CS:Go

In Act 1 I'm struggling to make progress. Not because the game is difficult (I just beat Ethel at lvl 4 on tactician) but eveything is mediocre at best. To be fair: some quests are decent but they are like specks of dust in a sea of mediocre shit.

Honestly I don't see a coherent design behind this game: there is no specific atmosphere to enjoy, the wold design is a mess (it's an amusement park like in Fallout 3), the romances are hiding the fact that the main story pacing is just awful (fake urgency hits again), the combat is braindead even on tactician (and not fun), classes are unbalanced (clerics in combat are a bad joke), the itemization is retarded (many pointless items which are not tagged properly) and it has almost nothing in common with the old IE games (except the setting).

I think Sven hit the sweet spot but not because the game is great but because BG3 is making stupid people feel smart. Most gamers today have no idea about the old games or DND 5E but somehow BG3 has become viral. It's like a fashion statement for ((real)) gamers.

I'm not trying to be edgy. I don't hate the game but I wish it was fun.
 

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In fact, success is usually worse than failure in this game because it means you don't get combat.
8 INT fighters, please stop responding. You just don't know. You didn't even know there was a skill check that you failed here.
Some people WANT to do the conversation, and do it well, and skip the combat. That is the character. That is the roleplay. That is the desired outcome. I don't want murderhobos telling me how cool it is to fail conversation checks, because they only play characters that can't speak or have any skills other than hitting things with axes.

Just accept it and move on
Nigga.... like.... no. You aren't correct, its wrong, its bad. Just accept it and move on.
There are lots of situations in which you get advantage on intimidation skill checks with barbarian, for example. Your reward in almost every instance is to lose the opportunity to do cool barbarian stuff, because the encounter gets cancelled when you succeed the check. My real life involves dialogue skill checks to mitigate conflict. I don't really need that from my fantasy games as well. I can just open up Outlook or pick up my phone whenever I want unending dialogue with assholes over money or whether someone is allowed to do something or not.
 

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BTW, this gay is so gay it even made Obama come out as gay. Facts.
I'm considering buying this game, but judging by this thread it seems only illiterate faggots and drag queens fully enjoy it. Does this game have any redeeming factor, besides good combat? Any trace of good writing or dialog? I read somewhere you confront gods, like Myrkul. How would you compare it to MotB, in terms of ontological deph? Or is it wrong game to look for any of it?
No, it's just dicks and trannies, you have been warned.

But when you buy it anyway, please do come here to share with us how it's just dicks and trannies.

EDIT: The combat will disappoint you as well. It's considered that Tactician is not balanced well enough and should be harder.
You should write an article about "Playing BG3 doesn't make you gay" denialists.
Neither does not playing it, as it seems.

Swen recently said that their telemetry has shown players have collectively spent 1225 years of being buttfucked by trannies and demonic niggers in the first week after release.

You can almost hear the moaning.
 

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The people who want flat stat checks are those that can't stop themselves from obsessively reloading instead of rolling with what the game gave them. Neither way is wrong, but dice rolls keeps things more dynamic and entertaining and makes sure replays are more interesting because you can see new things
Dice in dialogues is THE APPROACH for savescummers, because you never need to build your character to be proficient in any out of combat shit, you're always F8 away from passing the check. Especially in BG3 where majority of checks are relatively low, you have shitload of bonuses available and implementation of them (like guidance) is stupid OP, proficiency/expertise in out of combat skills is entirely irrelevant. Yeah, you can just go with whatever you rolled, never savescum, and it provides its own kind of charm, but usually it just feels really bad and stupid, where your cleric with expertise in religion misses on 3 checks in a row, but someone playing a character with 0 in religion, gets lucky and makes all the checks. It takes away player agency and makes character building even more shallow, and it is simply a bad design.

Flat checks system has its own problems, tho it's still superior. - But the best way would be to implement some mix of both, where you are forced to make space in your build for out of combat skills, if you want to even attempt some checks, but then after you passed the initial lower "bar" having some amount of randomness added to the mix would be good - always succeeding is boring, and situations like being 89/90 for the required check and not having ANY chance of making it, are annoying and immersion breaking. Also, guidance-like spells and abilities should be either removed, or heavily limited to the checks where they make sense, similar to how any decent DM would run it in the tabletop.

Ideal situation would be when a character dedicated to being a hacker, can attempt any hacking check, and how hardcore invested in the skill he is, determines the further chance of passing the check. Character which is not dedicated to this skill, but still having invested *some* resources into it, equivalent of irl script kiddie, could attempt some easy/normal checks, but he could never be allowed to go "Yeah, so I uhhhh cast guidance, drink an elixir of hacking, equip gloves of hacking which give me advantage on hacking checks, and now I roll to hack CIA, rolled 19, fuck yea, I made it!" - Harder checks would be completely locked for him. And character who invested absolute 0 in hacking, could never try to make ANY checks, because he has 0 fucking idea how to even start, it's retarded to let him roll to try and hack something.
 

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horny companions are a valid criticism even from the gays so I hope they will tone it down or allow to select if character is gay or straight in character creation

That’s one of BG3’s biggest flaws.

Agreed. Just let us state our orientation and move on with it. It's not helping any gay minorities if everyone gets raped ingame by them.
 

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BTW, this gay is so gay it even made Obama come out as gay. Facts.
I'm considering buying this game, but judging by this thread it seems only illiterate faggots and drag queens fully enjoy it. Does this game have any redeeming factor, besides good combat? Any trace of good writing or dialog? I read somewhere you confront gods, like Myrkul. How would you compare it to MotB, in terms of ontological deph? Or is it wrong game to look for any of it?
No, it's just dicks and trannies, you have been warned.

But when you buy it anyway, please do come here to share with us how it's just dicks and trannies.

EDIT: The combat will disappoint you as well. It's considered that Tactician is not balanced well enough and should be harder.
You should write an article about "Playing BG3 doesn't make you gay" denialists.
Neither does not playing it, as it seems.

Swen recently said that their telemetry has shown players have collectively spent 1225 years of being buttfucked by trannies and demonic niggers in the first week after release.

You can almost hear the moaning.
https://www.npd.com/news/press-rele...-of-the-decade-in-the-u-s-the-npd-group-says/

Fifty shades of grey was the best selling book of a decade, it doesn't make it Dostoyewsky. There are a lot more people searching for bestiality, fetish and kinky porn as long as it's allowed, then for a good art. News at 11. What this game allows you to do is telling others that now you are not a faggot, you are tactician rpg player.
 

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Guys, just fucking quick save and reload. It's vydia who gives a fuck, save scum the shit out of all the checks and move on.

Ah the old "Savescum the shit out of it to get the best outcome" vs "It doesn't matter anyway what answer you choose and roll, the outcomes are all the same."

Which way western man?
 

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Guys, just fucking quick save and reload. It's vydia who gives a fuck, save scum the shit out of all the checks and move on.

Ah the old "Savescum the shit out of it to get the best outcome" vs "It doesn't matter anyway what answer you choose and roll, the outcomes are all the same."

Which way western man?
All outcomes different and the game is built on autosaves so that savescum is impossible.
 

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You guys trouble yourselves so much for so little.
Western Civilisation (tm) is at stake, and you call that "so little"!
Nigga, you and Grauken start 10 pages long screeching campaigns whenever someone says anything negative about even the most minor part of the game, like dice system not being perfect for dialogue checks, or tactician being badly balanced.
 

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