SlavemasterT
Arcane
Don't worry, you'll probably need it after they disentangle you from some animal some day.Vipera said:Oh snap, I can't believe I put 5th. >_<
Don't worry, you'll probably need it after they disentangle you from some animal some day.Vipera said:Oh snap, I can't believe I put 5th. >_<
Vipera said:What? How can something be wrong independently of opinion?
Plane Tickets, BITCH!!!!Vipera said:You can think of me as OccupatedVoid's Flipper fucking twin.
Well, if moral values aren't relative to different groups, then what sets them? Apart from a religious figure, that is. It's not like I'm saying we shouldn't recognize anything as certain, or that society's highest goal is an individual's own ego or desire.KreideBein said:Vipera said:What? How can something be wrong independently of opinion?
I'm not even going to try opening that can of worms. Arguing with relativists about morality is like banging your head against a wall. And besides, that was a secondary point; the main thing to remember is that previously deviant behavior becoming socially acceptable causes a slippery slope effect that erodes the society.
Brother!OccupatedVoid said:Plane Tickets, BITCH!!!!Vipera said:You can think of me as OccupatedVoid's Flipper fucking twin.
Yeah, unlike arguing with religious folk about it.Arguing with relativists about morality is like banging your head against a wall.
Vipera said:Well, if moral values aren't relative to different groups, then what sets them? Apart from a religious figure, that is. It's not like I'm saying we shouldn't recognize anything as certain, or that society's highest goal is an individual's own ego or desire.
Vipera said:The slippery slope argument I can understand, but I don't think we need worry about it. It's a big leap from fucking sheep and other shit to a society where murder and rape are not only the norm, but accepted.
Gnidrologist said:<Snip>
Every study conducted (there have been a few, surprisingly), unanimously shows the acts to to be consensual and enjoyed by the animal. And I agree, zoosadism does not fall into the range of "harmless acts" by any measure.Gnidrologist said:''objective morality''
I'm not sure if animals are that enthusiastic to go on intercourse with homo sapiens though. Violence is not acceptable.
Who the hell said anything about Christian morals, you dipshit? I know that you probably get a raging hard-on hallucinating about some imaginary Christian right-wing stalking you and waiting to violate every conceivable right you possess, but give the billions of other people whose religions disavow the behavior a little credit (or blame, if you're a fag) as well.Gnidrologist said:''objective morality''
And what the fuck is that? I personally find homsexuality and zoophilia fairly hideos to various extents when I think of it, but why are all you self rightous christian zealots keep referring to christian morals as something objective and should-be-accepted-as-default-rules-of-society? It's ok if you hate fags an all, but don't put yourself on high moral grounds and try to prove it's something ojectively wrong or whatnot.
Though find it quite disgusting, I agree to the point that any activity that doesn't harm and is not forsed on anyone should be left uninfringed.
I'm not sure if animals are that enthusiastic to go on intercourse with homo sapiens though. Violence is not acceptable.
Newsflash: Nothing you tell me is going to change my mind, so you may as well argue it.KreideBein said:Vipera said:Well, if moral values aren't relative to different groups, then what sets them? Apart from a religious figure, that is. It's not like I'm saying we shouldn't recognize anything as certain, or that society's highest goal is an individual's own ego or desire.
I can see that your reading comprehension is rather poor. I said that I was going to leave this argument alone, because it never goes anywhere.
I've run through possible scenarios in my mind, and none lead to the bleak outlook you seem convinced will result from tolerance of harmless activities.KreideBein said:Vipera said:The slippery slope argument I can understand, but I don't think we need worry about it. It's a big leap from fucking sheep and other shit to a society where murder and rape are not only the norm, but accepted.
It's short-sighted bullshit like that that gave us our ruinous energy policy.
It's working, so please continue. And I would say holding my own in an argument with someone over six years my senior requires a bit of thought.KreideBein said:Gnidrologist said:<Snip>
I brought that point up to make Vipera think, which is obviously not something that he spends a great deal of time doing.
Do you know what moral objectivism is, T?SlavemasterT said:Who the hell said anything about Christian morals, you dipshit? I know that you probably get a raging hard-on hallucinating about some imaginary Christian right-wing stalking you and waiting to violate every conceivable right you possess, but give the billions of other people whose religions disavow the behavior a little credit (or blame, if you're a fag) as well.Gnidrologist said:''objective morality''
And what the fuck is that? I personally find homsexuality and zoophilia fairly hideos to various extents when I think of it, but why are all you self rightous christian zealots keep referring to christian morals as something objective and should-be-accepted-as-default-rules-of-society? It's ok if you hate fags an all, but don't put yourself on high moral grounds and try to prove it's something ojectively wrong or whatnot.
Though find it quite disgusting, I agree to the point that any activity that doesn't harm and is not forsed on anyone should be left uninfringed.
I'm not sure if animals are that enthusiastic to go on intercourse with homo sapiens though. Violence is not acceptable.
You don't have to follow a religion to grasp that fucking an animal is unnatural.
Vipera said:Newsflash: Nothing you tell me is going to change my mind, so you may as well argue it.
Vipera said:I've run through possible scenarios in my mind, and none lead to the bleak outlook you seem convinced will result from tolerance of harmless activities.
Vipera said:It's working, so please continue. And I would say holding my own in an argument with someone over six years my senior requires a bit of thought.
Well, I can go with the plain meaning of the words, but I don't think that it necessarily means the same thing as Gnid's "'objective morality,'' if you're trying to make a comparison. English is funny that way, what with word order having significance. I guess you didn't just skip sex-ed.Vipera said:Do you know what moral objectivism is, T?
Then what the fuck have you been doing these past few pages?KreideBein said:Vipera said:Newsflash: Nothing you tell me is going to change my mind, so you may as well argue it.
Newsflash: I have better things to do with my time than arguing for arguing's sake. If there were other motivating factors, then maybe. But there aren't any.
I forgot you were so up to date on my informal education. Despite lacking any formal schooling on the subject, I do know something about it.KreideBein said:Vipera said:I've run through possible scenarios in my mind, and none lead to the bleak outlook you seem convinced will result from tolerance of harmless activities.
That's because you don't know fuck all about sociology. Come back to this argument when you've actually studied the effects of what you're advocating.
The real irony of that statement is how relative it is.KreideBein said:Vipera said:It's working, so please continue. And I would say holding my own in an argument with someone over six years my senior requires a bit of thought.
Hodling your own? All you've done is made a relativistic rally call.
There isn't much ambiguity; if humans don't dictate what is moral, then it only stands to reason that some higher power does, correct?SlavemasterT said:Well, I can go with the plain meaning of the words, but I don't think that it necessarily means the same thing as Gnid's "'objective morality,'' if you're trying to make a comparison. English is funny that way, what with word order having significance. I guess you didn't just skip sex-ed.Vipera said:Do you know what moral objectivism is, T?
That looks more like beef stew. Why go through the trouble if you're not going to use the real thing...?an alt said:shit eating grin...
Yes, that you're idiot. Thanks for playing anyway.Vipera said:EDIT: Did I miss something?
No, I'm talking about the picture.SlavemasterT said:Yes, that you're idiot. Thanks for playing anyway.Vipera said:EDIT: Did I miss something?
ya... said:I like scat
SlavemasterT said:That looks more like beef stew. Why go through the trouble if you're not going to use the real thing...?an alt said:shit eating grin...
Yes, that you're idiot. Thanks for playing anyway.Vipera said:EDIT: Did I miss something?
Vipera said:Then what the fuck have you been doing these past few pages?
Vipera said:I forgot you were so up to date on my informal education. Despite lacking any formal schooling on the subject, I do know something about it.
Vipera said:The real irony of that statement is how relative it is.
ya... said:*breaks ice*
O RLY?ya... said:i made it through 19 spins!
wow. linking to meat spin. aren't you clever!