Game News Bethesda opens Fallout 3 forums

[Ladonna]

I thought polls were all small samples of the population.

Anyway, throw the optimism out the window for this one, its already dead. Spend the time your wasting in that forum on creating your own RPG combat module, or hammer at Spiderweb to improve theirs, or something.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Oh, oh, oh:

if somebody think that bethesda has made oblivion for wider public they are wrong. they made oblivion for [censored] roleplay maniacs and they didn't change the elder scrolls series into the FPS genre.

 

[Lumpy]

Of course. Only hardcore roleplayers play dual-personality characters and pretend the Skingrad maid is their wife.

 

[Amasius]

Oh, oh, oh:

if somebody think that bethesda has made oblivion for wider public they are wrong. they made oblivion for [censored] roleplay maniacs and they didn't change the elder scrolls series into the FPS genre.

Comedy gold!

Must be a troll - nobody can be so stupid, right? Right???

 

[Joe Krow]

Oblivion is for nihilists. It simulates nothing.

 

[Ladonna]

Can somebody look at this.
http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index ... 1261&st=60

And give mr Sneak 'The List'.

I am getting angry just reading his horseshit.

 

[TalesfromtheCrypt]

Well, I know NOTHING about fallout, once or twice I even thought it was Farcry...

 

[dagorkan]

Go back to NMA, you fucking fanboy losers...

Go back to NMA, you [censored] devoted Elder Scrolls fan losers...

Lol..

 

[Nottheking]

This person has never been laid. Ever. And probably never will.

I don't think I had a problem figuring that out. I kinda got it as soon as I realized words like "The Elder Scrolls" and "Fallout" were mentioned.

Radscorpions may scare some kids, so they won't be in the game. Radcrabs, on the other hand, are cuddly little creatures...

Ooh, ooh, could you use their meat to brew a potion for growing an eleventh toe? :D

(oh, and thanks for helping me out; it seems my old account got wiped along with the spambots a while ago 'cuz I forgot to post here)

However, I am surprised that 70% of the votes went for "Turn Based" in that thread.

I wonder if Beth cares...

Maybe, maybe not. I look at it on the bright side: the poll has 0% votes for "include BOTH!!1," which I can't feel could possibly ever come out right.

Of course they care! They've always cared for what their fans have thought. Whenever a large group of fans gets together and voices their preferences, Bethesda Softworks will be there, reading and taking note and heed.

Or in reality, they just add that particular kind of discussion to the "banned topics" list.

Who's summer and why's she a moderator there?

Better her to reach some of those things than some of the other moderators. She's more prone to simply delete things so that the others won't see them, and most likely hand out more severe whacks from the ban-hammer.

Can somebody look at this.
http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index ... 1261&st=60

And give mr Sneak 'The List'.

I am getting angry just reading his horseshit.

*twiddles thumbs*

Technically, BethSoft, from all the things that I was angry at them for, only actually LIED to the END on one thing, and that was that the kwest kompass could be disabled. (by selecting a completed quest, such as the tutorial) Everything else, they reneged upon before the game's release... Mounted combat, built-in HDR that would work right, shadows in general, etc.; a variety of both gameplay and graphical features.

So technically, I'd say he's 99% right, (the exception being the kompass) and it's more of them letting down the fans rather than lying to them. But it's really a technicality.

Lol..

The auto-censor will get old, I promise. I liked when it actually replaced words with CLEVER things. Now it just replaces "fanboy," "RPGCodex," and "In Soviet Russia" with phrases that screw up the grammar so bad you'd need an IQ that's a negative number to seriously use them. At least it's not all that hard to bypass it.

 

[denizsi]

Bethesda and ESF bashing is fun but I'm sure I'm not alone in my feelings that we don't need to endure the 3rd wave of Beth-fuckery. Let's just have a a few threads devoted to F3 (e.g one in the vein of "best thread", one for official updates etc.) and keep it there.

 

[Araanor]

Oh come on now. This is different. I wasn't talking about Beth caring about fans, but the potential to make money. I mean, we're talking about nearly 3/4 of the votes here. Beth cares when it comes to $$$. If those numbers are maintained, and if it's not too late (most importantly)... who knows. Maybe an option to play in turn based or something. ptimist:

You're missing a teeny weeny detail here - the game will suck regardless of the presence of turn-based.

 

[dagorkan]

Oh come on now. This is different. I wasn't talking about Beth caring about fans, but the potential to make money. I mean, we're talking about nearly 3/4 of the votes here. Beth cares when it comes to $$$. If those numbers are maintained, and if it's not too late (most importantly)... who knows.

Riiiiight. Because a few people came over from here and NMA and maybe DAC and voted for that option. You and me, we both know that is not at all (not in the slightest) representative of their target audience. And guess what: they know that too.

Look here, bitch.

35-40% of those who replied are ESF members (45% if you count non-TES fans)
vs
20% from NMA, 25% from NMA and DaC combined

Sure you can say that the stats are not representative (though they have stayed remarkably stable)...

But still there's a pretty big gap between 25% and the 70% who want Turn-based.

Or, 20% want RT compared to 40% of self-confessed TES fans.

 

[M0RBUS]

Maybe, maybe not. I look at it on the bright side: the poll has 0% votes for "include BOTH!!1," which I can't feel could possibly ever come out right.

Bright side? The game will never be turn based, and we all know that

:EDIT: I only figured that a while ago, actually, but nevermind... :meh:

 

[The Dude]

Bethesda and ESF bashing is fun but I'm sure I'm not alone in my feelings that we don't need to endure the 3rd wave of Beth-fuckery. Let's just have a a few threads devoted to F3 (e.g one in the vein of "best thread", one for official updates etc.) and keep it there.

 

[baelstren]

From the belly of the beast:

so what is fallout.is it a rpg or a shooter or somthin.is it for xbox 360 or pc.

ugh.

 

[Nottheking]

Bright side? The game will never be turn based, and we all know that

:EDIT: I only figured that a while ago, actually, but nevermind... :meh:

While I do think that it'd be IDEAL to have it be turn-based, provided they don't feck up the whole combat system aside from it, it could be a decent combat system even if real-time. Scratch off things like FOoS and "Oblivion with guns," and I guess one could breath a TAD easier, like it's only some inhaled nuka-cola rather than, er, something more solid and warm.

So, it won't be as close to Fallout as Fallout 2 was, (which really, was kinda like an expansion) but it could still work out. (But there's a good chance it won't.)

 

[OccupatedVoid]

It can't be turn-based because the mainstream says that turn-based gameplay is 'obsolete'. Bethesda is only in it for the big bucks, so in order to sell to the next-gen crowd, Bethesda must eliminate 'obsolete' features. You may not think it, but turn-based anything in mainstream games is DEAD.

 

[Nottheking]

You may not think it, but turn-based anything in mainstream games is DEAD.

Am I to take it that RPGs are entirely within the mainstream (rather than straddling the border) and that strategy games are largely still niche?

As I recall, Civlization III sold some 2 million copies, and Civilization IV 1 million thus far, so those aren't enough to cross the threshold into "mainstream?"

 

[Seboss]

Not mentioning Pokemon and Final Fantasy but Japanese games are another story.

You mentioned Civ III and IV which would be valid examples if Fallout 3 was PC only. But you have to consider console mainstream.

Kind off topic but I'm wondering about Cain, Boyarsky, Avellone and co. How could they feel right now?
Did they move on a long time ago? Do they resent not being able to work on Fallout 3 and seeing the franchise being torn to pieces by fans and TES morons alike even if we don't know jackshit about the game?

 

[Nottheking]

Not mentioning Pokemon and Final Fantasy but Japanese games are another story.

You mentioned Civ III and IV which would be valid examples if Fallout 3 was PC only. But you have to consider console mainstream.

Yeah, consoles are a different matter. But from the looks of it, does it look like they even really care? I mean, the Xbox 360 audience bought Perfect Dark Zero. I know not many here are fans of FPS games, but that was a sequel that was APPALLING, a drop that made Daggerfall to Tomorrowind/Oblivious seem trivial by comparison. It wasn't merely "dumbed-down," it was just a horribly made game. But a "prestigious" company (Microsoft) pushed it, and it sold over a million copies.

Then again, as you also mention, there ARE the jRPGs, even though those do sit opposite if all aRPGs on the cRPG table. But while it seems the action games are a hit more on the Xbox 360, but it's the jRPGs that are doing well on Sony's consoles... But then there's the wildcard, that the Wii, since the beginning of the year, appears to have out-sold both the Xbox 360 and PS3 combined...

So if mass-market console appeal seems to be the target here, they'd realize the issue, and go for the Wii. But what the heck would THAT mean for gameplay? Highly 'interactive' scenes in the equivalent of New Reno?! :shock:

 

[Lurkar]

Not mentioning Pokemon and Final Fantasy but Japanese games are another story.

You mentioned Civ III and IV which would be valid examples if Fallout 3 was PC only. But you have to consider console mainstream.

Yeah, consoles are a different matter. But from the looks of it, does it look like they even really care? I mean, the Xbox 360 audience bought Perfect Dark Zero. I know not many here are fans of FPS games, but that was a sequel that was APPALLING, a drop that made Daggerfall to Tomorrowind/Oblivious seem trivial by comparison. It wasn't merely "dumbed-down," it was just a horribly made game. But a "prestigious" company (Microsoft) pushed it, and it sold over a million copies.

Then again, as you also mention, there ARE the jRPGs, even though those do sit opposite if all aRPGs on the cRPG table. But while it seems the action games are a hit more on the Xbox 360, but it's the jRPGs that are doing well on Sony's consoles... But then there's the wildcard, that the Wii, since the beginning of the year, appears to have out-sold both the Xbox 360 and PS3 combined...

So if mass-market console appeal seems to be the target here, they'd realize the issue, and go for the Wii. But what the heck would THAT mean for gameplay? Highly 'interactive' scenes in the equivalent of New Reno?! :shock:

If there's *anything* that will make kids want to play the game, it's an interactive sex scene.

 

[Seboss]

I believe hooker spanking minigames with the Wiimote have been mentioned.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

And next thing you know the thread is closed because "there's already a thread."

Apparently threads have posts limits now too.

 

[dagorkan]

Well at least they've been consistent in that. Every thread has been shut on the tenth or eleventh page.

 

[Fez]

I is there a reason they do that?