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"Bethesda's anti-consumer review policy comes as no surprise - And reminds us not to pre-order"

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I learnt 20 years ago not to pay for the privilige of being a Beta tester.
Sadly there's a sucker born every minute who haven't learnt that lesson yet, and who can't wait a week to get the newest game. After all, it's not like the market is already oversaturated with games, so naturally one absolutely must have the newest games, preferably yesterday.

Yeah I don't really get this. Bethesda only really makes single player games and there's already billions of single player games that you can grab for like $5 so it baffles me that people still pay $60-$100 for the newest thing. Just wait like 4 months and it'll be $20...

It kinda makes sense to buy multiplayer games new because the community kinda jumps to the newest thing but that said you can just play Dota for free..
 

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I learnt 20 years ago not to pay for the privilige of being a Beta tester.
Sadly there's a sucker born every minute who haven't learnt that lesson yet, and who can't wait a week to get the newest game. After all, it's not like the market is already oversaturated with games, so naturally one absolutely must have the newest games, preferably yesterday.

Yeah I don't really get this. Bethesda only really makes single player games and there's already billions of single player games that you can grab for like $5 so it baffles me that people still pay $60-$100 for the newest thing. Just wait like 4 months and it'll be $20...

It kinda makes sense to buy multiplayer games new because the community kinda jumps to the newest thing but that said you can just play Dota for free..
It’s because they want to remain socially relevant amongst their peers, to be a part of the climax to years of hype, to gather around the figurative watercooler and share their experiences. In short, they have friends. Friends are totally overrated if you ask me.
 

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Or is it because they want to be mindless drones with their peers, to be among the casualties of the hype train crash, to gather around the figurative watercooler to complain, hate, whine and feel bad and deceived in an atmosphere where nobody is happy? In short, they are gullible retards. Common sense and patience are totally overrated if you ask me.
 

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It’s because they want to remain socially relevant amongst their peers, to be a part of the climax to years of hype, to gather around the figurative watercooler and share their experiences. In short, they have friends. Friends are totally overrated if you ask me.

Or is it because they want to be mindless drones with their peers, to be among the casualties of the hype train crash, to gather around the figurative watercooler to complain, hate, whine and feel bad and deceived in an atmosphere where nobody is happy? In short, they are gullible retards. Common sense and patience are totally overrated if you ask me.

I think the best way to be socially relevant is to abandon video games entirely
 

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It is anti-consumer, though, and riddled with inconsistencies. "We want everyone, including those in the media, to experience our games at the same time," reads the statement, knowing as well as we do that final code for Skyrim Remastered is currently in the hands of many 'influencers' and has been for some time. Bethesda claims it wants you to get the game the same time as everyone else, at the same time as announcing a pre-order bonus that lets people play a day early. Where to find the truth in that message?

He could notice that journalists apparently aren't considered "influencers" anymore in the age of Youtube and Steam reviews and hiuge marketing budgets in combination with rabid avid fans.

I doubt that reviews in the traditional gaming press play a significant role in purchasing decisions anymore. People buy Skyrim Remastered, because they liked Skyrim or Fallout 4, and people buy Dishonored 2 because they liked the first.
 
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It is anti-consumer, though, and riddled with inconsistencies. "We want everyone, including those in the media, to experience our games at the same time," reads the statement, knowing as well as we do that final code for Skyrim Remastered is currently in the hands of many 'influencers' and has been for some time. Bethesda claims it wants you to get the game the same time as everyone else, at the same time as announcing a pre-order bonus that lets people play a day early. Where to find the truth in that message?

He could notice that journalists apparently aren't considered "influencers" anymore in the age of Youtube and Steam reviews and hiuge marketing budgets in combination with rabid avid fans.

Oh yes, I think they're definitely salty that the exclusive first look footage is going to "unprofessional" youtubers instead of "proper journalists":

 

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‘With the upcoming launches of Skyrim Special Edition and Dishonored 2, we will continue our policy of sending media review copies one day before release. While we will continue to work with media, streamers, and YouTubers to support their coverage – both before and after release – we want everyone, including those in the media, to experience our games at the same time.’

We know Bethesda has already handed out copies of Skyrim Special Edition to Youtubers a week past, so this whole statement is a transparent porky pie. Perhaps they are attempting to phase out the games press for friendlier entertainment-based Youtube superfans who’re more receptive to what they’re being given. The thing is, Bethesda don’t really need the games press anymore. Their games are at a level where they can cause a noticeable drop in PornHub traffic, and Youtube channels often provide more eyeballs anyway because a video is much more tangible than the written word.

Plus, you know, no one outside of the games press seems to like the games press.
 

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Here I thought they weren't giving out any pre-release copies at all. So TB's and other idiots whining is all about defending RPS, Polygon and other shitholes that are feeling entitled(Funnily enough, this is actually a case of it, unlike when the fucking retards use it while defending Mass Effect 3 endings and other garbage) to early pre-release copies?

I'm waiting for the "We're too entitled" articles that are surely coming out any day now.
 
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I've heard this song before. It's only when gaming media itself gets shafted by devs and publishers (mostly the latter though) that they pull out the "Think about the consumer!"-card.

In all kind of journalism happens. They are the worst Drama Queens when someone or some entity offends them, the tipical "guild defense" (I don't know how can I say in English) that makes journalists one of the worst scum in the world with politicians, lawyers and chilean football managers.
 

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It is anti-consumer, though, and riddled with inconsistencies. "We want everyone, including those in the media, to experience our games at the same time," reads the statement, knowing as well as we do that final code for Skyrim Remastered is currently in the hands of many 'influencers' and has been for some time. Bethesda claims it wants you to get the game the same time as everyone else, at the same time as announcing a pre-order bonus that lets people play a day early. Where to find the truth in that message?

He could notice that journalists apparently aren't considered "influencers" anymore in the age of Youtube and Steam reviews and hiuge marketing budgets in combination with rabid avid fans.

Oh yes, I think they're definitely salty that the exclusive first look footage is going to "unprofessional" youtubers instead of "proper journalists":



Stopped watching at the cat.
 

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Oh yes, I think they're definitely salty that the exclusive first look footage is going to "unprofessional" youtubers instead of "proper journalists":



TBH, I'd rather watch her than read John Walker's drivel.



Why would anyone watch a woman babel on for 40 minutes about a game without her at least showing some cleavage? Jesus the internet sucks.
 

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Remember folks, this only benefits Bethesda and other big publishers and you shouldn't be celebrating it. It only hurts the average gamer and consumer when we are denied professional game journalism like this:

Rock Band 4 is doing a lot of the fun things you want it to do

A few of my more effervescent, more gregarious, more alive colleagues in game journalism are on stage "rocking out" to The Killers. We are on the rooftop of a pricey hotel in Santa Monica, at a press event organized by Rock Band 4's developer and publisher Harmonix.

I'm standing at a safe distance, drinking fizzy water, eating puff pastry canapes and chatting to another colleague about politics in the Philippines. I'm having an OK time.

I'm supposed to be focusing my attention on Rock Band 4, but there's more chance of Ferdinand Marcos leaping onto that stage than there is of me mounting the boards, swinging a guitar strap around my neck and yelling "whooooooo."

I don't care about rock music. I dislike crowds and I dislike loud noises. I don't do public performances, excepting "Toastmasters" which I enjoy from time-to-time, along with half a dozen accountants, schoolteachers and self-improvement nutters.



Look, sometimes in this job you gotta cover games you don't really give a stuff about. I played some Guitar Hero ten years ago and I thought it was kinda stupid. This is not because rock star sims are stupid. It's a perfectly valid fantasy. It's just not my fantasy.

But I can tell from the people on stage, the fact that they are having fun and coming back for more, that Rock Band 4 has something to offer people who get together and enjoy each other and music and the whole rock-'n'-roll ethos. I'm jealous of their ability to enjoy this product.

If my grandmother, who does enjoy a good party, were here on this windswept hotel roof — instead of sitting in an old people's home in Manchester, watching Britain's Got Talent — she'd be up on stage, singing and yelling into the mic, mocking me for being a "boring old fart."

Some of the journos on stage are as old as I am and, frankly, no more rock-star-ish than a bag of spuds. This is a game for everyone. Except me.

All video games are stupid, of course. That whole thing of, 'you're not really shooting terrorists or winning the World Cup, you're just pressing buttons' is patronizing and simplistic but every now and again you come across a game that has so little emotional connection to who you are that you end up standing there, gazing at the screen and saying "I'm just pressing buttons and my life has no meaning," to a slightly bemused PR person.

Music games are often about pressing buttons according to visual cues, which is probably why the whole genre collapsed a few years ago. That and the ferocious greed of Activision, which insisted on publishing way too many of these games.


But Rock Band 4 is also not about just pressing buttons. Various instruments, including vocals, have been given carte blanche to express themselves in ways that are individual to the player, and be rewarded for their personal skill. It's not just about sticking to the colors and the lines. It's about adding your own flavor to the song, through drum-riffs and vocal meanderings.

I'm not entirely dislocated from the appeal of this feature. There was a time when half a bottle of gin and a copy of Lips on Xbox 360 basically turned me into Boy George. I can do a gorgeous "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me," assuming there's no-one else in the house.

But I found, with that game, that I could sing it worse and score higher, by doing what the software wanted me to do, rather than what my Tanqueray-fueled inner-Culture Club needed to release.

Rock Band 4, as Harmonix keeps telling us, is not so much about creating a game in which there are scores and channels and targets and RPGish upgrade paths (though they are all certainly present) but in creating a really fun experience in which people get to sing, guitar and drum their fave tunes their way and generally have a good laugh and not be booed off stage by AI douchebags. So far as I can tell, the company is making a good fist of this endeavor.



At the end of each song, the game offers up suggestions for the next track, which band-members can vote on. The AI crowd shouts out requests. This keeps the fantasy alive, avoids the tedium of back-tracking through menus, helps iron out the social difficulty of choosing the next song. This seems to me to be part of a convincingly earnest attempt by the people at Harmonix to do the thing they are best at, which is making music games that actually make people feel good, that allow people to have a good time.

There are new guitars and drums being made by Mad Catz (no keyboard) but you can use your old Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 wireless contraptions on the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 versions, which are due out later this year. Exported songs from those old games can also be uploaded.

A new group of journos are on stage banging out some Fleetwood Mac. My friend, the one I was talking about the Philippines to, has wandered away. I go in search of a developer to interview. Perhaps there's a nice quiet room where we can sit and chat.
 

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Yeah I don't really get this. Bethesda only really makes single player games and there's already billions of single player games that you can grab for like $5 so it baffles me that people still pay $60-$100 for the newest thing. Just wait like 4 months and it'll be $20...

It's because hardly anybody else makes first person open world RPGs (particularly fantasy ones).
 

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I would never preorder a game even if a Remy Lacroix clone came bundled with it.

Of course, because this is a fictional scenario, this could change in the future if Remy Lacroix clones were put into production.
 

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the majority of pre-orders are not tied to reviews at all as they come to late at any rate. At best that part of the advertising affect day1 purchases. Pre-orders people will most likely not care about reviews at all and possibly even slam a negative review.
 

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Jesus fucking Christ! There are people who take the side of greedy publishers and applaud that we don't get reviews before release. Scum of the earth.

Whether or not someone likes modern game journalism, but at least they have put out reviews pointing out the general quality of games before the games get relesed.

And that bullshit excuse: fans and the press can experience the game at the same time. What a load of bullshit, why do every body need to experience a game together?
 

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